Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:57 am

Hollywood looks good, but I don't buy Lamar as a high-volume passer and that offense spreads the ball around to EVERYBODY. I'm just not sure when he's going to start getting some legit target volume where you would feel comfortable starting him on a weekly basis.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby Phaded » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:05 pm

Yeah, the volume will limit Brown for sure. The Ravens are built in a way where they don't intend to pass the ball often - but sometimes that may change due to game script. I know Lamar is in the bottom bunch for attempts.

He's an ideal best ball guy though.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby MrUbuto » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:34 pm

Well there isn't a ton of need for volume if he is the 1a 2a and 3a as far as wideouts go.

If he is being targeted on the majority of the deep balls who cares?
QB - DWatson(HOU)Winston(TB)Finely(DEN)
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby Cameron Giles » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:43 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:57 am
Hollywood looks good, but I don't buy Lamar as a high-volume passer and that offense spreads the ball around to EVERYBODY. I'm just not sure when he's going to start getting some legit target volume where you would feel comfortable starting him on a weekly basis.
Valid, but things can change very quickly. Brown is such an electric talent that he could very easily start to dominate targets long-term.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby CGW » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:58 pm

When he is healthy he is getting the snaps to put up numbers. This week he finally got back to a full workload at 75%. I'm guessing they had been holding him back a little bit since his injury, as he had only been playing around 50-60% of snaps week 9-13. They do also run a ton of 3 TE sets as well, and it seems like they prefer Snead on those snaps for yet another blocker.

I'm still optimistic, dude gets open and Lamar and he will only build more chemistry.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby Ice » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:29 pm

Cameron Giles wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:43 pm
Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:57 am
Hollywood looks good, but I don't buy Lamar as a high-volume passer and that offense spreads the ball around to EVERYBODY. I'm just not sure when he's going to start getting some legit target volume where you would feel comfortable starting him on a weekly basis.
Valid, but things can change very quickly. Brown is such an electric talent that he could very easily start to dominate targets long-term.
No issues with Brown at all. He is a very good route runner that should only get better. He missed a second 43 yard TD because the defender tackled him in the end zone. He was wide open by NFL standards and the ball was on target.

Speed, route acumen, and good hands are great qualities to build on. In that system I expect his target share to increase to around 7-8 on average by next season. If his targets get to 100 plus with his skill set he will be a legit WR1 in the next few years. He is already getting scoring opportunities on a variety of routes.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby dlf_mikeh » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:31 pm

remedy29 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:01 am
remedy29 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 4:55 am
The problem with this analysis, if your only consideration is what happened in 2018, then you have to extrapolate all of it, so let's give;

Baltimore wins 13 or 14 games.
Baltimore is number 1 playoff seed.
Lamar rushes for 1,400 yards.
Lamar is in top 2 in league with rushing.
With these results, Lamar is All Pro and MVP.

As a betting man, I'd want huge odds to bet on any of this happening.
So pretty much nailed his 2019 season. Too bad I didn't believe it and bet Lamar for MVP.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby Blueboy » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:35 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:57 am
Hollywood looks good, but I don't buy Lamar as a high-volume passer and that offense spreads the ball around to EVERYBODY. I'm just not sure when he's going to start getting some legit target volume where you would feel comfortable starting him on a weekly basis.
The nice thing is that this offense is also facilitating an incredibly efficient aerial attack. Lamar is near the bottom of the league in passing attempts, behind a few guys that haven't even played the whole season, but he's #1 in passing TDs. My only worry would be whether this efficiency can keep up on a year-to-year basis. So often these historically explosive offenses see huge regression, but Lamar makes the situation very unique.

In any case, I think expectations for Hollywood as a weekly starter are best tempered until year three or so.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby Phaded » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:47 pm

dlf_mikeh wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:31 pm
remedy29 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:01 am
remedy29 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 4:55 am
The problem with this analysis, if your only consideration is what happened in 2018, then you have to extrapolate all of it, so let's give;

Baltimore wins 13 or 14 games.
Baltimore is number 1 playoff seed.
Lamar rushes for 1,400 yards.
Lamar is in top 2 in league with rushing.
With these results, Lamar is All Pro and MVP.

As a betting man, I'd want huge odds to bet on any of this happening.
So pretty much nailed his 2019 season. Too bad I didn't believe it and bet Lamar for MVP.
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In July, Vegas odds were +10000 on Lamar winning mvp. If anyone placed any amount on that happening they're pretty happy.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby mild » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:41 pm

Ice wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:29 pm
Cameron Giles wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:43 pm
Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:57 am
Hollywood looks good, but I don't buy Lamar as a high-volume passer and that offense spreads the ball around to EVERYBODY. I'm just not sure when he's going to start getting some legit target volume where you would feel comfortable starting him on a weekly basis.
Valid, but things can change very quickly. Brown is such an electric talent that he could very easily start to dominate targets long-term.
No issues with Brown at all. He is a very good route runner that should only get better. He missed a second 43 yard TD because the defender tackled him in the end zone. He was wide open by NFL standards and the ball was on target.

Speed, route acumen, and good hands are great qualities to build on. In that system I expect his target share to increase to around 7-8 on average by next season. If his targets get to 100 plus with his skill set he will be a legit WR1 in the next few years. He is already getting scoring opportunities on a variety of routes.
I just want to say - I'm extremely excited for Hollywood in his 2nd year. I think with a full offseason to get healthy and build his body back, it will not be unreasonable to think of him as playing the Tyreek Hill role on this offense. He's got the speed, and they've already been doing a lot of the same pre-snap motion looks with Hollywood (and the others). The Ravens use more pre-snap motion than anyone else in the league.

Hollywood and Jackson have become fast friends, and their chemistry has blossomed as a result. Look for Hollywood to get properly healthy and really start being a true danger in 2020. I'd happily plant that flag now.

Ravens use most pre-snap motion in the league - source...
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