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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:29 am
by jenkins.math
Jigga94 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 3:54 am
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 2:17 am
MrUbuto wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:53 am
I dont think I can ever recall a draft like this before.

Guy goes 1.2 and 2.03 absolute madness

Can anyone recall something like this before?
Last year in two SF leagues I saw RoJo go as high as 1.03 and as low as 2.05.
You're right but I think this can be said about a lot more than just Marquise this year. There's not really too many top tier guys besides Jacobs and Harry... Hock and Fant seem good but people are worried about taking TE very early. All the WR seem like toss ups at this point and no one can really say who the 2nd best RB prospect is (although my money is on Sanders).

This will likely be a year where you can get great talent in the 2nd round of you can find the right guy
This is why I've felt like it's best to move back to the late first/early 2nd. That way you can just take whoever falls instead of taking someone similar at 1.04.

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 8:40 am
by Badkins1121
I just got him at 3.01 in a 12 team PPR Superflex. Couldn’t pass that up. Here’s the results so far...

https://www68.myfantasyleague.com/2019/ ... 61441&O=17

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 9:08 am
by Cameron Giles
Badkins1121 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 8:40 am
I just got him at 3.01 in a 12 team PPR Superflex. Couldn’t pass that up. Here’s the results so far...

https://www68.myfantasyleague.com/2019/ ... 61441&O=17
Darwin Thompson drafted before Marquise Brown.

Oh boy.

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 2:18 pm
by Dynos
Cameron Giles wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 9:08 am
Badkins1121 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 8:40 am
I just got him at 3.01 in a 12 team PPR Superflex. Couldn’t pass that up. Here’s the results so far...

https://www68.myfantasyleague.com/2019/ ... 61441&O=17
Darwin Thompson drafted before Marquise Brown.

Oh boy.
yeah people draft situation not talent 3.01..........

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 2:22 pm
by Pew Dogs
DynastyDeepDive wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 8:07 am
Brown just went 1.05 in our draft last night. Superflex PPR - 10 team. First round went like this.

1.01 Murray
1.02 Jacobs
1.03 Sanders
1.04 Harry
1.05 Brown
1.06 Campbell
1.07 Fant
1.08 Montgomery
1.09 Haskins
1.10 Hockesnon

Drafts will be all over the place. Just pick with your gut and who you like. That's my advise!
I think the wrong Brown went in this first round.

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 2:26 pm
by Dynasty DeLorean
In one league I got MBrown at 1.10. I took him one spot ahead of Fant, was deciding between Fant and MBrown as AJB was already off the board. In my 16 tm SF TE premium MBrown went 1.08 one spot ahead of Fant. I got AJB at 1.12.

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 3:09 pm
by millworkguy
I took him at 1.12 in a 16 tm idp 1qb league already have offers for him

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 10:33 am
by Chris_R
I cannot get on board with the situation. A running team with a running QB in the cold climate on grass, trying to utilize a deep threat with a QB who isn't accurate? What's his upside here? HUGE talent but he's handicapped.

I think his numbers will be similar to Jeremy Maclin in Philly his first 4 years. 800 yards, 60 catches, 4 TDs. Jackson's most passing ypg was 204. There isn't a whole lot of opportunity here...

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 11:54 am
by FantasyFreak
Chris_R wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 10:33 am
I cannot get on board with the situation. A running team with a running QB in the cold climate on grass, trying to utilize a deep threat with a QB who isn't accurate? What's his upside here? HUGE talent but he's handicapped.

I think his numbers will be similar to Jeremy Maclin in Philly his first 4 years. 800 yards, 60 catches, 4 TDs. Jackson's most passing ypg was 204. There isn't a whole lot of opportunity here...
It's a bad situation. Marquise benefited from his own separation skills combined with an accurate QB. Jackson is not that. The best case scenario is Jackson flops this year and they move on from him, I think.

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 1:03 pm
by Ice
FantasyFreak wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 11:54 am
Chris_R wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 10:33 am
I cannot get on board with the situation. A running team with a running QB in the cold climate on grass, trying to utilize a deep threat with a QB who isn't accurate? What's his upside here? HUGE talent but he's handicapped.

I think his numbers will be similar to Jeremy Maclin in Philly his first 4 years. 800 yards, 60 catches, 4 TDs. Jackson's most passing ypg was 204. There isn't a whole lot of opportunity here...
It's a bad situation. Marquise benefited from his own separation skills combined with an accurate QB. Jackson is not that. The best case scenario is Jackson flops this year and they move on from him, I think.
Bad situation?
I get people are scared of Jackson after only a few games but anyone that watched the Raven's in the playoff game saw first hand in the second half that they have to throw the football. They threw it 29 times that game BTW.

The question to really ask is how often does a WR get drafted to be the teams #1 WR as a rookie week 1?

That answer is rarely especially given there are 32 teams in the league. This organization ejected their top WR's so this draft he is the only one expected to fill this role right out of the gate.

I think it pretty funny that the overriding view point is that this team won't adapt and throw the ball often and even if they only throw it 25 times a game on average which would easily rank them dead last in the league, that would leave 400 targets. The lead WR is going to get the lion's share of targets.

Doesn't sound like a bad situation for a rookie WR when one breaks it down.

The 32'nd ranked team in attempts was 427 last year, the top passing team threw it 689 times. The middle threw it 563 times last season. Only 2 teams threw it under 450 times and only 5 teams threw it under 500 times over a 16 game schedule.

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 1:22 pm
by Jigga94
I feel like there's a slight (probably more than slight...) narrative of Jackson needing to be super accurate deep down the field on order for Brown to be relevant.

Was Brown not an excellent route runner and used all over in college? Shouldn't the separation be there and mitigate some of the accuracy issues? Won't there be underneath work for Brown to get some YAC and utilize his speed?

I would really hope they don't just send him on fly routes. Should have just drafted DK at that point as I'm positive he would be a much better run blocker as well lol

Edit: this probably applies more to real life than fantasy. I forgot this was a fantastic site lol I bet he's a boom or bust type WR

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 1:23 pm
by Chris_R
Ice wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 1:03 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 11:54 am
Chris_R wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 10:33 am
I cannot get on board with the situation. A running team with a running QB in the cold climate on grass, trying to utilize a deep threat with a QB who isn't accurate? What's his upside here? HUGE talent but he's handicapped.

I think his numbers will be similar to Jeremy Maclin in Philly his first 4 years. 800 yards, 60 catches, 4 TDs. Jackson's most passing ypg was 204. There isn't a whole lot of opportunity here...
It's a bad situation. Marquise benefited from his own separation skills combined with an accurate QB. Jackson is not that. The best case scenario is Jackson flops this year and they move on from him, I think.
Bad situation?
I get people are scared of Jackson after only a few games but anyone that watched the Raven's in the playoff game saw first hand in the second half that they have to throw the football. They threw it 29 times that game BTW.

The question to really ask is how often does a WR get drafted to be the teams #1 WR as a rookie week 1?

That answer is rarely especially given there are 32 teams in the league. This organization ejected their top WR's so this draft he is the only one expected to fill this role right out of the gate.

I think it pretty funny that the overriding view point is that this team won't adapt and throw the ball often and even if they only throw it 25 times a game on average which would easily rank them dead last in the league, that would leave 400 targets. The lead WR is going to get the lion's share of targets.

Doesn't sound like a bad situation for a rookie WR when one breaks it down.

The 32'nd ranked team in attempts was 427 last year, the top passing team threw it 689 times. The middle threw it 563 times last season. Only 2 teams threw it under 450 times and only 5 teams threw it under 500 times over a 16 game schedule.
The playoff game where he threw for 194 yards, 1 INT, and 3 fumbles? Yea....I didn't see anything encouraging about that performance. This is an offense that'll never ask him to throw 30+ times a game, so you're banking on Lamar Jackson passing 20-28 times a game is enough to support a reliable fantasy WR. Out of his 8 games, 6 were less than 180 passing yards. To compound that, he's only completing about half of those throws, so 12-14 completions a game.

If you can get behind Lamar Jackson throwing it 25 times a game with 12 completions for 200 yards by all means. But he's gonna end up a much better real life WR than fantasy WR. For a comparison, Flacco was throwing it over 34 times every single week. Four weeks over 40 attempts and two over 50. I don't see Lamar being used like that.

As to your 2nd point 'who is drafted to be a WR1 week 1'? Marquis doesn't have WR1 potential in Baltimore ever. At least other guys in the class can be eventually, or have a situation that makes it possible. I don't think he'll be useless, I just can't get excited about what I think maxes out at 800 yards a year. Jackson doesn't suck, but we need more volume than what he offers.

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 1:26 pm
by JFever
The Ravens lead receiver could be a group of TE's. lol. I get what your trying to say but, the TE is a big deal in that offense for whatever reason. M.Brown should be expected to be their best WR but.... look at who else is there. It is just a poor passing offense period. Yeah, his volume should be there but, I'd expect realistic outcomes of low to very low TD totals, 60+ ish receptions (which is still very good for a rookie wr in that offense), and probably around 80-100 targets. He is a back end of round one draft pick. His upside is severely capped and - his floor is still too low for me to reach too high.

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 2:02 pm
by Ice
I find it hilarious that so many do not understand what this team is attempting to do given the draft. 3 High picks on speed offensive players.

This is a very competent coaching staff and they know the Chargers put in a defensive scheme that shut down their running game in the first half of the playoff game.

The offense was slow and it didn't matter if Flacco threw it hundred times a game they were not competing due to the majority of WR's that ran about as fast as we do these days.

Whether Jackson becomes a quality passer or not, this team is going nowhere if they can't throw the ball effectively. Anyone that has studied Jackson even a little knows that his over 9,000 passing yards in college was effective in the shorter speed routes so what did the Ravens do; Drafted the fastest player in college that excels in route running at all levels. They drafted a speedster with 4.4 speed at RB to get underneath routes and drafted one of the fastest X WR's in the draft to drag defenders.

We may not see a ton of long passes but we are going to see a more balanced offense this year.

My take is all of those that have bought into the narrative that this team is in static purgatory after 7 games forevermore destined to only run the ball going forward will look back and wonder WTF were they thinking.

Regardless of what one thinks of Jackson or Brown, the Ravens have openly told every team they will not be one dimensional going forward based on their draft. Teams are going to have to respect their now incredible team speed.

Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 2:18 pm
by Jigga94
I'm with Ice, just not as optimistic it will work that well. We shall see.