Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby AussieMate » Tue May 12, 2020 8:32 pm

mild wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 6:11 pm
AussieMate wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 5:12 pm 15 pounds heavier is a lot, will he still have his trademark speed packing on that much?
Read the article and he would tell you it's a "resounding yes". He came in at 165 at the combine, and apparently played at 157 (!) all of last season. He even outright admits how difficult running was for him last year:
Physically, there's nothing imposing about him. At first glance, Brown looks more like an IT manager than a TD machine, but he's changing that here on back day. Brown rows weights for an hour straight, from bands to barbells to machines, with a trainer howling hoarse rep counts in his ear. Last season, Brown played at 157 (!) pounds. (In other words, 60 pounds less than many of his contemporaries.) This season, he plans to play between 170 and 175. So no muscle goes untrained. In between reps, Brown takes a seat on a bench and rapidly grips a football with his fingertips.
To most everyone else, Brown still seemed fast. But he knew the truth: He was missing his top gear.

"It was frustrating because I know what I can do and I'm making plays, but even when I'm making plays, it doesn't feel right," he says. "Everything. I had to try harder than I usually do. To run, for me, is easy. Last year, it wasn't easy. Every step was like, 'Ahhh...' I'm a rookie, so you don't want to think too much. And going out there, I was like, 'How am I going to react if I land on my foot? How am I going to get around him?' So there was a lot to think about."
Brown didn't lift weights after practice, returning home to "rehibernate." Could he have still thrown some dumbbells around? Sure. But the pain in his foot was too demoralizing. He was, admittedly, too "Oh my God, I'm hurting!" What ticked Brown off most was that at Oklahoma, he always played with the same "Attack! Attack! Attack!" mentality his older cousin (Antonio Brown) possessed. But in Baltimore, he couldn't attack. At all. At Oklahoma, Brown hit 23 mph regularly. As an NFL rookie, as the foot worsened, he says he couldn't crack 20. "A big difference," he admits.

Those who knew the old Brown could see it. Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray, Brown's QB at Oklahoma, saw the limp in his stride on TV and often reached out to lift his spirits. Ravens teammates tried, too. Hill faced Brown two years in college, so he knew. And during the week, the running back says Brown could "barely walk."

"He was like a grandpa, like an old man with it," Hill says. "As soon as he got into a receiver stance, he could still fly. It's going to be crazy, because I know what he can do."

Brown tried to remain positive throughout—reminding himself that this forced him to out-think DBs—but was mostly laboring to 2020.

"You watch my college film: Any time I caught any pass, I wanted to score," Brown says, "In the NFL, I catch a pass, and I went down on purpose. People always: 'Why you going down? He's so scared.' I'm like, 'We'll see next year.' I just wanted to get to next year."
Those are probably the relevant bits. Oh, and this:
That night, Brown and Jackson flushed that game, and they've been training together ever since.

Unlike virtually every other QB-WR duo in lockdown, these two live a short drive apart from one another. They've been able to safely work together and set that foundation they never could last summer.

So, Super Bowl? Book it. Brown has some advice for everyone, too.

"Fantasy owners, oh my God. Right after Lamar, you all better get me. Because I'm going to get me."
He also didn't run at the combine so what he came in at there makes no difference, he ran at 157 and I thought he didn't look as fast as he was sold to be, that I chalked up to his foot which he says slowed him and I would agree thats a good reasona and not argue that, has anyone put on 15 pounds of muscle and kept their speed?
This isn't to huge knock him, 15 pounds heavy would make him more durable I'd assume and I believe he'll still be fast but I'd imagine he will lose the elite speed he did have unless he's a freak of nature.
Just curious if he can still win the way he use to without that elite speed.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue May 12, 2020 10:24 pm

Yawn. It's May. Super Bowl "book it"? LOL. Sounds like Earl Thomas last year. An athlete talking themselves up? This is groundbreaking. That entire article is fluff, and I roster Hollywood.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby Shankopotamus » Wed May 13, 2020 2:43 am

i traded Hollywood and Jace Sternberger for Robert Woods and Hayden Hurst last week. He's a fun player to own, but that frame is going to be a headache his entire career. I cringed every time he left his feet for a catch last season.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby smbkrypt24 » Wed May 13, 2020 6:40 am

I attempted to get M. Brown in my super flex league team 3. I offered Lindsay (Gordon owner) and Alshon Jeffrey.

I was countered with 1.01, 2021 1st, 2022 1st for M. Brown. Both 1sts are for my team which is most likely locked into 1.01 next two years. So essentially I give up Burrow, Lawrence, and whoever top player in 2022 for M. Brown.
Safe to say he isn’t for sale in my league.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby mgscott » Wed May 13, 2020 6:45 am

smbkrypt24 wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:40 am I attempted to get M. Brown in my super flex league team 3. I offered Lindsay (Gordon owner) and Alshon Jeffrey.

I was countered with 1.01, 2021 1st, 2022 1st for M. Brown. Both 1sts are for my team which is most likely locked into 1.01 next two years. So essentially I give up Burrow, Lawrence, and whoever top player in 2022 for M. Brown.
Safe to say he isn’t for sale in my league.
It's possible he was offended by a lowball offer and gave a worse one back to you.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby TimeWillTell » Wed May 13, 2020 6:56 am

mgscott wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:45 am
smbkrypt24 wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:40 am I attempted to get M. Brown in my super flex league team 3. I offered Lindsay (Gordon owner) and Alshon Jeffrey.

I was countered with 1.01, 2021 1st, 2022 1st for M. Brown. Both 1sts are for my team which is most likely locked into 1.01 next two years. So essentially I give up Burrow, Lawrence, and whoever top player in 2022 for M. Brown.
Safe to say he isn’t for sale in my league.
It's possible he was offended by a lowball offer and gave a worse one back to you.
I'm pretty low on Brown and that offer even makes me cringe (I do not own him so just hypothetical)
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby smbkrypt24 » Wed May 13, 2020 7:14 am

mgscott wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:45 am
smbkrypt24 wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:40 am I attempted to get M. Brown in my super flex league team 3. I offered Lindsay (Gordon owner) and Alshon Jeffrey.

I was countered with 1.01, 2021 1st, 2022 1st for M. Brown. Both 1sts are for my team which is most likely locked into 1.01 next two years. So essentially I give up Burrow, Lawrence, and whoever top player in 2022 for M. Brown.
Safe to say he isn’t for sale in my league.
It's possible he was offended by a lowball offer and gave a worse one back to you.
That is good to know. I was more or less thinking Lindsay and Jeffrey were worth an early 2nd each? And brown was injured all year so didn’t think his value raised from last years mid to late first.
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RB: Gibbs, Pacheco, Dobbins
WR: Chase, J. Jefferson, JSN, Palmer, Mooney, Tillman
TE: Schultz, Pitts, Likely, Okonkwo

2024: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 2.03, 2.06, 2.07, 2.10, 3.03, 3.06, 3.08
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby smbkrypt24 » Wed May 13, 2020 7:14 am

TimeWillTell wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:56 am
mgscott wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:45 am
smbkrypt24 wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:40 am I attempted to get M. Brown in my super flex league team 3. I offered Lindsay (Gordon owner) and Alshon Jeffrey.

I was countered with 1.01, 2021 1st, 2022 1st for M. Brown. Both 1sts are for my team which is most likely locked into 1.01 next two years. So essentially I give up Burrow, Lawrence, and whoever top player in 2022 for M. Brown.
Safe to say he isn’t for sale in my league.
It's possible he was offended by a lowball offer and gave a worse one back to you.
I'm pretty low on Brown and that offer even makes me cringe (I do not own him so just hypothetical)
Thank you good to know I lowballed him and he probably got offended.
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2024: 1.01, 1.07
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TE: McBride, Pitts, Kmet, Likely

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2025: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3

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Team 3- 11th in 2023
QB: Goff, Watson, Cousins, Levis, Rodgers, Young
RB: Gibbs, Pacheco, Dobbins
WR: Chase, J. Jefferson, JSN, Palmer, Mooney, Tillman
TE: Schultz, Pitts, Likely, Okonkwo

2024: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 2.03, 2.06, 2.07, 2.10, 3.03, 3.06, 3.08
2025: 1, 2, 3

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby mgscott » Wed May 13, 2020 7:25 am

smbkrypt24 wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:14 am
mgscott wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:45 am
smbkrypt24 wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:40 am I attempted to get M. Brown in my super flex league team 3. I offered Lindsay (Gordon owner) and Alshon Jeffrey.

I was countered with 1.01, 2021 1st, 2022 1st for M. Brown. Both 1sts are for my team which is most likely locked into 1.01 next two years. So essentially I give up Burrow, Lawrence, and whoever top player in 2022 for M. Brown.
Safe to say he isn’t for sale in my league.
It's possible he was offended by a lowball offer and gave a worse one back to you.
That is good to know. I was more or less thinking Lindsay and Jeffrey were worth an early 2nd each? And brown was injured all year so didn’t think his value raised from last years mid to late first.
I think Lindsay and Jeffrey have lost a lot of value this offseason, so it would be hard to get any 2nd for either right now. Lindsay will lose a lot of work to Gordon and Jeffrey's value is just very low right now.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby TimeWillTell » Wed May 13, 2020 7:26 am

smbkrypt24 wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:14 am
TimeWillTell wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:56 am
mgscott wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:45 am

It's possible he was offended by a lowball offer and gave a worse one back to you.
I'm pretty low on Brown and that offer even makes me cringe (I do not own him so just hypothetical)
Thank you good to know I lowballed him and he probably got offended.
I think it depends on a few factors, but likely given MGIII is there now, Lindsay has little value and I doubt most would give a 2nd for him. Jeffrey will having big games but he's on his way out and I also think most wouldn't pay a second for him outside of someone desperate for depth on a contender.

ETA: Mgscott beat me to it
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby RB6 » Wed May 13, 2020 7:32 am

Jeffery hasn't been worth an early 2nd for a while now.
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby jenkins.math » Wed May 13, 2020 7:57 am

I thought Hollywood would be a better NFL player than fantasy player. He reminded me of Desean Jackson in that he won't necessarily get the weekly volume to be a WR2 start, and you're really playing the boom or bust game every week. I also felt like he was going to get banged up and miss some time. Well that seemed to be exactly what happened for Hollywood in year 1 and those aren't the types of players I am eager to obtain unless it's best ball. Good player, but not someone I will ever buy at the going rate in a league.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby smbkrypt24 » Wed May 13, 2020 8:14 am

RB6 wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:32 am Jeffrey hasn't been worth an early 2nd for a while now.
Duly noted. This is my first share of him and guess it was longer ago than I thought that he was sold for a first.
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2025: 1, 2, 2

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QB: Murray, Cousins, Wilson
RB: Bijan, Kamara, Dobbins, Rodriguez
WR: Chase, G. Wilson, D. Adams, Di. Johnson, M. Wilson, W. Robinson, R. Rice
TE: McBride, Pitts, Kmet, Likely

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2025: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3

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Team 3- 11th in 2023
QB: Goff, Watson, Cousins, Levis, Rodgers, Young
RB: Gibbs, Pacheco, Dobbins
WR: Chase, J. Jefferson, JSN, Palmer, Mooney, Tillman
TE: Schultz, Pitts, Likely, Okonkwo

2024: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 2.03, 2.06, 2.07, 2.10, 3.03, 3.06, 3.08
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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj » Wed May 13, 2020 8:30 am

jenkins.math wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:57 am I thought Hollywood would be a better NFL player than fantasy player. He reminded me of Desean Jackson in that he won't necessarily get the weekly volume to be a WR2 start, and you're really playing the boom or bust game every week. I also felt like he was going to get banged up and miss some time. Well that seemed to be exactly what happened for Hollywood in year 1 and those aren't the types of players I am eager to obtain unless it's best ball. Good player, but not someone I will ever buy at the going rate in a league.
This is my problem with him as well. He's super fun to watch, but those boom/bust kind of guys are what I want to have in my flex spot, not as my wr2. I was offered Brown straight up for Pittman - who went in the mid 2nd in our draft this year - and I'm honestly not sure I accept for mainly that reason.

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Re: Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

Postby FantasyFreak » Wed May 13, 2020 8:41 am

qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 8:30 am
jenkins.math wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:57 am I thought Hollywood would be a better NFL player than fantasy player. He reminded me of Desean Jackson in that he won't necessarily get the weekly volume to be a WR2 start, and you're really playing the boom or bust game every week. I also felt like he was going to get banged up and miss some time. Well that seemed to be exactly what happened for Hollywood in year 1 and those aren't the types of players I am eager to obtain unless it's best ball. Good player, but not someone I will ever buy at the going rate in a league.
This is my problem with him as well. He's super fun to watch, but those boom/bust kind of guys are what I want to have in my flex spot, not as my wr2. I was offered Brown straight up for Pittman - who went in the mid 2nd in our draft this year - and I'm honestly not sure I accept for mainly that reason.
Grabbed him in a best ball league at 2.08 in a SF/TE premium. I feel that's the best format for him.
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