Marquise Brown is the best value in the draft

[mild]

Hollywood had 13 targets but finished with 37 yards. Yikes. That sounds like the first half of last week's game too. Lamar just isn't that good of a passer.

He's literally leading PFF's clean pocket passing grade. He's a plenty fine passer when he is kept clean. But sure, whatever, confirm your priors.

They ran the Madden "Mid Blitz" all night and showed Cover 0 for 60+ snaps. This loss belongs on the Playcalling/Offensive design, and the poor play of the offensive line + protections. If a Defense hits you with one look all night and you can't solve it, then that's on the coaching and play design.

Most QB's tend to look pretty bad when they are literally running for their life on every snap.

[ArrylT]

Hollywood had 13 targets but finished with 37 yards. Yikes. That sounds like the first half of last week's game too. Lamar just isn't that good of a passer.

He's literally leading PFF's clean pocket passing grade. He's a plenty fine passer when he is kept clean. But sure, whatever, confirm your priors.

They ran the Madden "Mid Blitz" all night and showed Cover 0 for 60+ snaps. This loss belongs on the Playcalling/Offensive design, and the poor play of the offensive line + protections. If a Defense hits you with one look all night and you can't solve it, then that's on the coaching and play design.

Most QB's tend to look pretty bad when they are literally running for their life on every snap.

Indeed. See Dallas & Dak Prescott vs. Denver D using Man Match Coverage - a look we're likely to see again against the Cowboys if they cannot figure out how to solve it. Does not mean Dak Prescott suddenly is a bust because he went 19-39 for 232 yards and a average target depth below 6 yards.

[SoftwoodGrampian]

Whoever made this post is correct!

[Pac_Eddy]

Hollywood had 13 targets but finished with 37 yards. Yikes. That sounds like the first half of last week's game too. Lamar just isn't that good of a passer.

He's literally leading PFF's clean pocket passing grade. He's a plenty fine passer when he is kept clean. But sure, whatever, confirm your priors.

They ran the Madden "Mid Blitz" all night and showed Cover 0 for 60+ snaps. This loss belongs on the Playcalling/Offensive design, and the poor play of the offensive line + protections. If a Defense hits you with one look all night and you can't solve it, then that's on the coaching and play design.

Most QB's tend to look pretty bad when they are literally running for their life on every snap.

From what I've watched of his passing over the years, he isn't that good at passing. He has almost no touch. A lot of McNabb like throws into the turf, or rocketing the ball over the receiver's head.

I think his running ability creates big play passing opportunities, and that may lead to nice PFF ratings. Pretend he doesn't run and relies on just throwing like Drew Brees. He'd be a very average NFL QB, maybe even just bad. But he CAN run, so that ability saves his value as a QB overall.

I know I'm not going to convince his supporters, and that's fine with me.

[Sriracha]

Hollywood had 13 targets but finished with 37 yards. Yikes. That sounds like the first half of last week's game too. Lamar just isn't that good of a passer.

He's literally leading PFF's clean pocket passing grade. He's a plenty fine passer when he is kept clean. But sure, whatever, confirm your priors.

They ran the Madden "Mid Blitz" all night and showed Cover 0 for 60+ snaps. This loss belongs on the Playcalling/Offensive design, and the poor play of the offensive line + protections. If a Defense hits you with one look all night and you can't solve it, then that's on the coaching and play design.

Most QB's tend to look pretty bad when they are literally running for their life on every snap.

From what I've watched of his passing over the years, he isn't that good at passing. He has almost no touch. A lot of McNabb like throws into the turf, or rocketing the ball over the receiver's head.

I think his running ability creates big play passing opportunities, and that may lead to nice PFF ratings. Pretend he doesn't run and relies on just throwing like Drew Brees. He'd be a very average NFL QB, maybe even just bad. But he CAN run, so that ability saves his value as a QB overall.

I know I'm not going to convince his supporters, and that's fine with me.

I agree he's got a little McNabb inconsistency to his mechanics... but no touch?!?! You're joking.

[mild]

I know I'm not going to convince his supporters, and that's fine with me.

I agree he's got a little McNabb inconsistency to his mechanics... but no touch?!?! You're joking.

He's been beating the drum on "Lamar can't pass" on this thread for a long time. He's stuck in his corner.

You can be a supporter of Lamar whilst also believing in the data and what your eyes tell you. Lamar year 1? Could not pass.

But you're nuts if you're watching this year and not seeing the leap.

[Anteaters]

But you're nuts if you're watching this year and not seeing the leap.

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[Jigga94]

Maybe you'd prefer 2019?

https://youtu.be/2UIihptXCJ8

Or 2020?

https://youtu.be/sL13Y4spR5g

Or outside the numbers?

https://youtu.be/-y1xINYyYPE

.......

https://youtu.be/hYJj4l9vsDg

[Pullo Vision]

I was absolutely wrong on Brown. I should've listened to Killa Cam.

I love the animated Spiderman movie and can't wait for No Way Home. I feel like we just got our own crossover reference here where a character from one universe/forum gets mentioned in another.

[Pullo Vision]

IIRC, this was the thread with the Marquise/Bateman debate, not a Bateman thread.
Brown- 8-5-41
Bateman- 8-7-103
tar-catch-yrd

Anyone think this means anything more than getting previous practice time with Huntley?

[Ruggenater]

IIRC, this was the thread with the Marquise/Bateman debate, not a Bateman thread.
Brown- 8-5-41
Bateman- 8-7-103
tar-catch-yrd

Anyone think this means anything more than getting previous practice time with Huntley?

Nope, just single game variance and maybe the Huntley connection plays in a bit.

DK - 8-4-43-0
Lockett - 9-5-142-1
Target-catch-yard-TD

Looking to sell DK for Lockett?

[Cameron Giles]

IIRC, this was the thread with the Marquise/Bateman debate, not a Bateman thread.
Brown- 8-5-41
Bateman- 8-7-103
tar-catch-yrd

Anyone think this means anything more than getting previous practice time with Huntley?

Huntley missed Brown open on two deep routes twice in the game. Easily could've been a bigger game.

Bateman is good as well, but no I wouldn't say it means anything more.

[Jigga94]

IIRC, this was the thread with the Marquise/Bateman debate, not a Bateman thread.
Brown- 8-5-41
Bateman- 8-7-103
tar-catch-yrd

Anyone think this means anything more than getting previous practice time with Huntley?

Huntley missed Brown open on two deep routes twice in the game. Easily could've been a bigger game.

Bateman is good as well, but no I wouldn't say it means anything more.

Agree here with CG. Bateman catches dam near everything too. Which is great when the backup QB is in... not sure if Huntley will be the starter going forward, but I wouldn't buy into much that happens while he's the starter either

[Pullo Vision]

IIRC, this was the thread with the Marquise/Bateman debate, not a Bateman thread.
Brown- 8-5-41
Bateman- 8-7-103
tar-catch-yrd

Anyone think this means anything more than getting previous practice time with Huntley?

Nope, just single game variance and maybe the Huntley connection plays in a bit.

DK - 8-4-43-0
Lockett - 9-5-142-1
Target-catch-yard-TD

Looking to sell DK for Lockett?

Wasn't suggesting Brown should be traded for Bateman. It is interesting/concerning that Bateman has been getting consistent targets since coming back from injury, and Brown's experienced a concurrent reduction of 100 yard receiving games and/or TDs since the bye-
7 games before the bye- 2 games over 100 yards and 6 TDs
5 games since the bye (Brown missed one)- 1x100 yard receiving games, 0 TDs

This is just box score scouting, and if I were gonna counter looking at numbers, I'd say he's still getting consistent targets. Anyone have thoughts in watching the games or following the team? Is the offense strong enough to support all three of Brown, Andrews AND Bateman?

[Anteaters]

IIRC, this was the thread with the Marquise/Bateman debate, not a Bateman thread.
Brown- 8-5-41
Bateman- 8-7-103
tar-catch-yrd

Anyone think this means anything more than getting previous practice time with Huntley?

Nope, just single game variance and maybe the Huntley connection plays in a bit.

Agreed. I watched part of this game and the announcers kept saying how tight the Browns were playing Brown and how the Brown's best cover guys were always assigned to Brown, not Bateman. Not to mention Lamar missing a large chunk of the game.

I'll need to see this happen for the rest of the season before I entertain the possibility that Bateman has supplanted Brown as the 1st choice in Baltimore.

Huntley missed Brown open on two deep routes twice in the game. Easily could've been a bigger game.

This too!!!! I was screaming at the tv: "C'mon Huntley! He was WIDE OPEN!"