Saquon Barkley - Dynasty Discussion Thread

[Pac_Eddy]

CEH is descending?

Not necessarily. But I don't think he's ascending in quite the same way that Taylor, Akers and Dobbins - players that you could have taken at-or-around the same ADP - are ascending. So in an owners mind, they may already be frustrated at his value comparatively speaking, as of right now.

I also don't think he's going to get a 3-down role in KC, based on what we saw this year of both Darrel Williams and Leveon Bell taking work off of his plate, and of Clyde getting stoned at the goal line on nearly every RZ attempt. I legitimately think Damien Williams would have out-and-out tanked CEH's seasonal value this year if he'd returned to play this season.

If the Chiefs add another goal-line banger this offseason, I will gladly speculate on that back for cheap. And if they add an out-and-out talented runner in the vein of Aaron Jones or Chris Carson... then I would officially panic as a CEH owner.

Think of it like this, compare their ADPs from last off-season to where they'll go this off-season.

CEH has clearly descended from the uber hype machine pushing him into the top 12 of startups.
JT has ascended to a debatable top 5 pick, Akers, Dobbins will also be taken much higher than they were taken last year.

Will that trend continue onto next season? I believe it will, but it's certainly possible CEH improves as a pass catcher/blocker and KC funnels targets to him as they lose weapons this off-season.

I agree that CEH's value has descendED from this summer's value, but I think it's steady now, not going down any more. That's my point.

As as to mild's comments, I mostly agree, except for the goal line carries. He had a lot of carries early on this season that he got destroyed in the backfield. Damien Williams, Leveon Bell, and Christian Okoye would've been destroyed on those.

Darrell Williams is a restricted free agent now. I think he'll be back. Damien Williams will be back for his last year under contract. CEH will be splitting time again, but in 2022 he may be the clear 1.

[Jigga94]

Well since everyone else is doing it, I bought Barkley as well in one of the few leagues where I didn't already own him.

12 team PPR

Gave: CEH, JuJu, 2.03
Got: Barkley

I love this trade. Reasonable chance you're buying the depressed asset for two descending ones that could further fall.

CEH is descending?

CEH was a top 5 startup pick in August before he played a snap. Now he's a mid 2nd and ranked as the 4th best 2020 rookie RB. Akers and Gibson are close behind and that's not even mentioning JRob. Descending is a fair way to describe that value.

Mild is just saying it could continue. I kind of agree. I don't see anything all that special with him and the KC offense doesn't cater to RB as much as people think. I wouldn't be surprised if he was 3rd-4th round startup ADP this time next year. A nice RB1 season though and he could jump back into round 1 value easily though. Still young, still has the KC situation to buoy his value

[thebadferret]

The Saquon owner is worried about Saquons long term production since he is in a complete rebuilt (holds #1 pick). I'm more or less in a win now mode (see team in sig) and he offered me the following:

I get Saquon
I give #5, Zack Moss, Joey Bosa and my '22 third rounder

I don't know how to feel about this. It looks like a lopsided trade to me, but somehow that makes me worried that I don't know something about Saquon. Am I just overreacting?


Edit: Pairing CMC with Barkley should be really nice, especially with Gibson and Dobbins as my backups/future. I like my receiving core and maybe I could improve my TEs by getting Pitts at #9.

[Pac_Eddy]

The Saquon owner is worried about Saquons long term production since he is in a complete rebuilt (holds #1 pick). I'm more or less in a win now mode (see team in sig) and he offered me the following:

I get Saquon
I give #5, Zack Moss, Joey Bosa and my '22 third rounder

I don't know how to feel about this. It looks like a lopsided trade to me, but somehow that makes me worried that I don't know something about Saquon. Am I just overreacting?


Edit: Pairing CMC with Barkley should be really nice, especially with Gibson and Dobbins as my backups/future. I like my receiving core and maybe I could improve my TEs by getting Pitts at #9.

That's a slam dunk accept IMO. I don't play a lot of IDP, so unless Bosa is worth way, way more than I think, you take this.

[Kcarr]

Well since everyone else is doing it, I bought Barkley as well in one of the few leagues where I didn't already own him.

12 team PPR

Gave: CEH, JuJu, 2.03
Got: Barkley

I love this trade. Reasonable chance you're buying the depressed asset for two descending ones that could further fall.

This makes me really happy I sold my one CEH share, on a rebuilding orphan, when I did, back right after the Barkley injury.

Gave: CEH and a 2021 3rd, not mine, ended up late
Got: Barkley and a 2022 1st, probably late

[krtbuckeye]

The Saquon owner is worried about Saquons long term production since he is in a complete rebuilt (holds #1 pick). I'm more or less in a win now mode (see team in sig) and he offered me the following:

I get Saquon
I give #5, Zack Moss, Joey Bosa and my '22 third rounder

I don't know how to feel about this. It looks like a lopsided trade to me, but somehow that makes me worried that I don't know something about Saquon. Am I just overreacting?


Edit: Pairing CMC with Barkley should be really nice, especially with Gibson and Dobbins as my backups/future. I like my receiving core and maybe I could improve my TEs by getting Pitts at #9.

I would have smash accepted this without a 2nd thought. Great deal!

[Shoreline Steamers]

The Saquon owner is worried about Saquons long term production since he is in a complete rebuilt (holds #1 pick). I'm more or less in a win now mode (see team in sig) and he offered me the following:

I get Saquon
I give #5, Zack Moss, Joey Bosa and my '22 third rounder

I don't know how to feel about this. It looks like a lopsided trade to me, but somehow that makes me worried that I don't know something about Saquon. Am I just overreacting?


Edit: Pairing CMC with Barkley should be really nice, especially with Gibson and Dobbins as my backups/future. I like my receiving core and maybe I could improve my TEs by getting Pitts at #9.

I think that's a good price for Barkley. The way this would set up your backfield makes this a pretty easy accept for me. I didn't see anything from Moss in 2020 that makes me a believer in him long-term, so getting out from him seems like a good idea for me. Nice upgrade at a reasonable price.

[hoos89]

Sent MT for Barkley almost immediately after the injury and feels pretty good right now (much better than when I sent MT for Fournette several years ago in my other league ....)

[dynastyninja]

Any concern that Saquon misses time this year? Doesn't seem like he's committed to being able to play week 1. Would be awful if he is still having trouble with the knee.

[Shankopotamus]

Wouldn't be surprised with meniscus damage. People talk like getting a flap of meniscus "cleaned up" is no biggie, but that's how you get Gurley knees.

[Bronco Billy]

Barkley had the “unhappy triad” injury - torn ACL, MCL, and meniscus. The knee pretty much blew up in a direction nature did not intend for it to go.

That’s a lot more severe than “just” damaging the ACL. He’s going to have both substantial mental and physical rehab to get back to where he was before. The knee can be structurally rebuilt, but will it react and respond in the same way as it did as naturally formed? There’s no way to know. Then there’s the mental aspect of getting enough confidence back to be completely willing to put himself back into the same situations that caused the injury in the first place.

That’s a tall order, and it shouldn’t surprise anyone that the new version of Barkley may not quite be up to matching the old version by the time the season starts. The only way to know for sure how he’ll respond and how complete his recovery is will be by observing how he is in full speed full contact situations - and the Giants probably will want to err on the side of caution and bring him along slowly. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if we don’t see the new version at 100% and handling similar pre-injury workload until week 3-6 of the regular season.

Right now? It’s nothing better than a guessing game.

[YouMightDieTryin]

So time to grab Booker as a backup?

I'm holding Qadree Ollison right now as a flyer to potentially run with Mike Davis, but he's an easy drop for any FA pickup.

[Bronco Billy]

So time to grab Booker as a backup?

I'm holding Qadree Ollison right now as a flyer to potentially run with Mike Davis, but he's an easy drop for any FA pickup.

Are there other higher upside options available? One might be past his expiration date and the other may not even have one. Not sure either guy is going to put up numbers that are going to help anything but a very desperate FF team even if the RB1 goes down.

[YouMightDieTryin]

So time to grab Booker as a backup?

I'm holding Qadree Ollison right now as a flyer to potentially run with Mike Davis, but he's an easy drop for any FA pickup.

Are there other higher upside options available? One might be past his expiration date and the other may not even have one. Not sure either guy is going to put up numbers that are going to help anything but a very desperate FF team even if the RB1 goes down.

It's a deep roster league (in sig). So it's just a bench spot that would be a dart throw no matter who it is. But having Barkley on my roster makes me almost want to handcuff with Booker (who's a FA currently)

Edit: As not to derail the initial thread for a personal gain here. Looking at NYGs roster is Booker the one to own? Should we be looking at any other potential piece that may step up and play in Saquon's absence? At least it's not Wayne Gallman as the backup?

[Bronco Billy]

So time to grab Booker as a backup?

I'm holding Qadree Ollison right now as a flyer to potentially run with Mike Davis, but he's an easy drop for any FA pickup.

Are there other higher upside options available? One might be past his expiration date and the other may not even have one. Not sure either guy is going to put up numbers that are going to help anything but a very desperate FF team even if the RB1 goes down.

It's a deep roster league (in sig). So it's just a bench spot that would be a dart throw no matter who it is. But having Barkley on my roster makes me almost want to handcuff with Booker (who's a FA currently)

I was looking for Davis on your roster and figured it must have been a different league. Why would you roster Ollison without Davis on your roster when you have Barkley and Booker is available and Gallman left for SF?