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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby jenkins.math » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:26 pm

Am I worried about him this year? Yes. I hope they shut him down the rest of the year and just gear up for next season at this stage.

Am I worried about him next year and beyond? Nope. He hasn't looked the same since that ankle injury. I'm willing to bet he is still injured and not 100%. If the Giants shore up that line, Daniel Jones is a year older, and hopefully their receiving weapons are healthy, that team could look a lot better.

However it's the Giants so I'm sure they will mess it up.
14 team dynasty, 25 man roster, keep 14, .5 PPR
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, D/ST, K, DL, LB, DE
QB: Ryan, Mayfield
RB: Barkley, Kerryon Johnson, Gus Edwards, Pollard, Brian Hill
WR: OBJ, Mike Evans, Juju, Cooks, Corey Davis, Dede Westbrook, Fitz
TE: Njoku, Jonnu
K: Slye
D/ST: Titans, Eagles
DL: Heyward
LB: Littleton
DB: Bell

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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:43 pm

Barkley is going to have some great years. For my money, he's going to be a HOF RB.

However, and this is what always needs to be remembered about RB's: None of them are situation-proof. It's why I would never recommend paying a king's ransom to get an RB. RB's get injured and their offensive lines get worse.

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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby Vcize » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:01 pm

How high ankle sprains typically work.

1) Player gets high ankle sprain
2) News report that recovery time is about 6 weeks
3) Player comes back in 3-4 weeks
4) Player is much less effective the rest of the year
5) Player's value drops in offseason
6) Player bounces back next year at full strength and everyone wonders why they didn't buy him

Granted, I think Barkley has enough name value that his value won't really drop like most people's, but if it makes him simply available to trade for even at full price than I am a buyer.

All this "look Saquon is dancing in practice after only 3 weeks he must be 100%!!" stuff was silly. You can dance the day after an ankle sprain. Sharp unpredictable cuts? No as much and certainly not as quickly.
Team 1 (12 team FFPC)
QB: Wentz
RB: Cook, A Jones, Mixon, Kerryon, Hunt, Hill, Drake
WR: OBJ, Lockett, ARob, Woods, ARob, Preston
TE: Howard, Cook, Goedert, Njoku, Knox

Team 2 (12 team PPR, q/r/r/w/w/w/f/t/k/d)
QB: Wilson, Dak
RB: Fournette, Kamara, Michel, Kerryon, Blount
WR: Beckham, Thielen, Enunwa, M Williams, Beasely, Amendola
TE: Eifert, Hooper, Gesicki

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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby JOHNNY_COCKTAIL » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:03 pm

Not worried at all in fact I hope he has a couple more bad games so the official first and probably last Barkley buy low window can start. I'll be waiting
12 Team PPR (PPR- QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX, D, K)
QB- Winston
RB- Barkely, Cook, AP
WR- K. Allen, Hill, Diggs, Golladay, DJ Moore, Shepard, Enunwa, Callaway, Chark
TE- Kelce, Gesicki

10 Team .5 PPR. QB Premium. Added Big Play Points (QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 FLEX (non qb), D, K)
QB- Brees, Mayfield, Prescott
RB- Barkley, Cook, Dixon, I. Smith
WR- OBJ, D. Adams, Evans, B. Cooks, Kupp, C. Davis, Godwin, Boyd, Fuller, J. Gordon, Gallup
TE: Mike Gesicki, Vance McDonald

12 Team. Superflex. TE Premium. PPR. (QB, SF, 2-4 RB, 2-4 WR, TE)
QB: Wilson, Ryan, Eli, Fitzpatrick
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Ekelar, I. Smith, D. Lewis, Gio
WR: Hill, Evans, KA, Metcalf, M. Brown, Whiteside, Agholor, D. Robinson
TE: McDonald, Reed, Hurst, Everett

12 team. PPR. Superflex.
(1 QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 2 WR, 3 Flex, TE)
QB: Luck, Wilson, Lock, Fitzpatrick
RB: Joe Mixon, Josh Jacobs, D. Lewis, J. Richard
WR: Mike Evans, Hill, Cooks, M.Brown, Gallup, Ross, Richardson
TE: Kelce, Everett, Smith

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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby dynastyninja » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:05 pm

Not worried long-term, but I'm not sure he'll help my title run much this year.

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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby remedy29 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:50 pm

The Giants had some OL injuries against the Jets, and in general they have a poor line. Plus the ankle injury has really slowed him down. But I don't question his talent with the ball in his hands, we already seen what he is capable of.

However, I am concerned with his piss poor pass blocking. He has become a liability in pass protection. If he doesn't improve it, I do see that hampering his top tier potential.
1qb (6pt TD), 2rb, 2wr, 2 flex, k, def
Minshew, Brissett, Cousins, Haskins, Lock, Luck
Chubb, Carson, Lindsay, D. Freeman, Damian Harris
C. Kupp, A. Jeffrey, E. Sanders, Robby Anderson, P. Campbell, Preston Wilson, A. Brown
E. Ebron, Knox, J. Reed
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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby Blueboy » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:36 pm

remedy29 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:50 pm
However, I am concerned with his piss poor pass blocking. He has become a liability in pass protection. If he doesn't improve it, I do see that hampering his top tier potential.
It is strange how far he's degraded in that category. I assume (hope) it's due to the ankle.

12-team SF, PPR, TE Premium, 0.25 points per carry
1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 2Flex
QB: Murray, Mayfield, Haskins
RB: Guice, Penny, Snell, Love
WR: Hopkins, DJM, Metcalf, Hollywood, M. Williams, Isabella, T. Smith
TE: OJH, Hockenson, Hurst

2020 picks: 1.03, 2.03

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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby oban14 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:11 pm

My team is toast this year; I'm trying to acquire him. If the Saquon owner in your league is in position to win it all, this is the time to make a big offer for him. He looks like he'll be hurt/shut down/on an awful team the rest of the year.

If anyone cares, I got him, a 2020 3rd and a 2021 2nd for Keenan, Henry, and Mack. This is a keep 9 and I had way too many to keep. Probably an overpay in a true dynasty but how often do you even get a buy-low window for a guy like Saquon?
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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby badbuddah » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:39 pm

Blueboy wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:36 pm
remedy29 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:50 pm
However, I am concerned with his piss poor pass blocking. He has become a liability in pass protection. If he doesn't improve it, I do see that hampering his top tier potential.
It is strange how far he's degraded in that category. I assume (hope) it's due to the ankle.
Wonder if this means he ever gets downgraded to a Kamara role (Still a nice place to be) if they maybe trust another guy to block more. Wish I had made an offer before the deadline, but even if I had, likely Chubb+1st+Juju gets rejected instantly due to bad year Juju is having and Chubb being downgraded to an RB2 by Hunt.
12 Team UNLIMITED Keeper / 23 Roster 1.0-PPR: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/RB/TE, 1 K, 1 DEF 2 IR - 6th Year

QB: L. Jackson, Drew Lock, J. Brissett, K. Allen
RB: D. Cook, Aaron Jones, N. Chubb, L. Murray, A. Mattison
WR: D. Hopkins, J. Jones, D. Adams, J. Shuster, K. Golloday, A. Jeffery, C. Kirk, D. Samuel
TE: Z. Ertz, O.J. Howard, J. Sternberger, G. Everett
K: N. Folk, M. Badgley
DEF: San Francisco

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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby ArrylT » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:42 am

badbuddah wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:39 pm
Blueboy wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:36 pm
remedy29 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:50 pm
However, I am concerned with his piss poor pass blocking. He has become a liability in pass protection. If he doesn't improve it, I do see that hampering his top tier potential.
It is strange how far he's degraded in that category. I assume (hope) it's due to the ankle.
Wonder if this means he ever gets downgraded to a Kamara role (Still a nice place to be) if they maybe trust another guy to block more. Wish I had made an offer before the deadline, but even if I had, likely Chubb+1st+Juju gets rejected instantly due to bad year Juju is having and Chubb being downgraded to an RB2 by Hunt.
I own Barkley in a couple of leagues and if an owner offered me Chubb, Juju & a future 1st I'd likely accept. However I can see why other owners may decline due to recency bias.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby Blueboy » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:20 am

ArrylT wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:42 am
badbuddah wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:39 pm
Blueboy wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:36 pm


It is strange how far he's degraded in that category. I assume (hope) it's due to the ankle.
Wonder if this means he ever gets downgraded to a Kamara role (Still a nice place to be) if they maybe trust another guy to block more. Wish I had made an offer before the deadline, but even if I had, likely Chubb+1st+Juju gets rejected instantly due to bad year Juju is having and Chubb being downgraded to an RB2 by Hunt.
I own Barkley in a couple of leagues and if an owner offered me Chubb, Juju & a future 1st I'd likely accept. However I can see why other owners may decline due to recency bias.
I'd likely accept that as well, but that's largely a product of having holes at WR in the two spots I own Barkley.

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:56 pm

Still #1 overall dynasty asset for me.

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:29 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:56 pm
Still #1 overall dynasty asset for me.
X2

His ankle injury will be a blessing in disguise because Giants couldn’t run him into the ground with their current crap team.

16 Team PPR | QB (1) RB (2-4) WR (2-5) TE (1-2) K (1) | DT (1-2) DE (2-4) LB (2-5) CB (3-6) S (2-5)

|QB| R. Wilson, J. Allen, D. Carr, D. Lock, E. Stick (taxi)
|RB| A. Kamara, J. Jacobs, J. Mixon, L. Murray, R. Anderson (IR)
|WR| C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, D.K. Metcalf, M. Gallup, , J. Ross, Da. Moore
|TE| J. Hollister, M. Gesicki, K. Rudolph, T. Eifert, I. Thomas, M. LaCosse, R. Gronkowski
|K| B. Maher
|DT| S. Richardson, Q. Williams, T. Bryan, T. Hill (taxi)
|DE| J. Clowney, Y. Ngakoue, J. Pierre-Paul, D. Barnett, T. Charlton, E. Ansah, A. Key (IR), J. Sweat (taxi)
|LB| L. Vander Esch, D. Trevathan, C. Holcomb, N. Gerry, M. Kendricks, S. Dion Hamilton, S. Ebukam, T.J. Edwards, M. Jefferson, V. Joseph (IR), R. Foster (IR), K. Beckwith (IR), D. Cole (IR), S. Eguavoen (taxi)
|CB| S. Gilmore, M. Peters, D. Trufant, G. Conley, B. Jones, G. Haley
|S| M. Fitzpatrick, T. Walker, X. Woods, E. Thomas, E. Murray
|2020 PICKS| #1.03, 1.12, 3.02 & 6.15
|2021 PICKS| #1, #2, #3

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Re: Anyone worried about Saquon?

Postby hoos89 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:40 am

JOHNNY_COCKTAIL wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:03 pm
Not worried at all in fact I hope he has a couple more bad games so the official first and probably last Barkley buy low window can start. I'll be waiting
Barkley's value doesn't work that way. There won't be a buy window until he retires.
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
Wentz, Minshew, Bridgewater, Haskins
Jacobs, Michel, D. Harris, Richard, Gaskin
DJ Moore, Sutton, Kupp, Kirk, Deebo, Dorsett, J. Gordon, Lee, Lazard
OJ Howard, Hockenson, Herndon
IR(2): Love, McKinnon
Taxi(4): MVS
2020 Picks: 1.03, 1.05, 1.11, 1.12, 1.13, 2.03, 2.11, 2.12, 3.05, 3.11, 4.03, 5.03

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
Ryan, Bridgewater, Tannehill
Gurley, Barber, M. Brown, Miller, McKinnon, Ito, J. Jackson, R. Anderson, Richard, Edmunds
Thomas, Cooks, Watkins, Anderson, Beasley, Foster, Doctson, KeeSean, Lazard, Treadwell
Hooper, Herndon, Witten, Reed
2020 Picks: 1.01, 1.04, 1.06, 1.07, 1.08, 2.10, 2.11

Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby lukkynumber13 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:24 am

If he tears his ACL this coming July, I'm pretty sure he'd still be a late 1st startup pick in August. Dude'd value is MAJORLY insulated considering he's a RB
TEAM A - 12 teams (19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
BREES, Jimmy G, Haskins, Lock, Keenum
COOK/JACOBS/BELL, Gurley, D Washington, Shady, Gio, Gallman, Ollison, M Davis, Rodney A
NUK/HILL/EVANS/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, Hilton, Edelman, Alshon, Sammy, Wims, Dez
KITTLE, Waller, Irv, Herndon, J Graham, Eifert
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Not listing my IDP, but they matter as much as offense in this league
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TEAM B - 32 teams, double copy - TEs get slight bump in scoring (1st year league, tanking this year to build through 2020 draft)
DARNOLD, Brissett, Rosen, Tyrod
SAQUON/MIXON, Hines, Gallman, L Miller
NUK/EVANS/OBJ/K ALLEN/HOLLYWOOD, Edelman, R Anderson, A Tate, Coutee, G Ward
KITTLE, Ian Thomas, James O
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Danielle Hunter and some maybes for my IDP squad.


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