Barkley Value Check

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Barkley Value Check

Postby smallxl » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:30 pm

I know Barkley is the #1 dynasty asset. What do we need in addition to a player like Mixon to move him??
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QB: Prescott, Foles
RB: Barkley, P Barber, Duke, Gio Bernard, Gus, C Thompson, Breida, Ekeler
WR: A Cooper, Cooks, Lockett, C. Davis, Crowder, Chark, Stills
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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Madadamus » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:16 pm

smallxl wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:30 pm
I know Barkley is the #1 dynasty asset. What do we need in addition to a player like Mixon to move him??
A top 5 WR for me, and most teams can’t afford that so he’s usually a guy you aren’t trading.
12 Team PPR Dynasty - DLFS
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: J. Burrow, M. Stafford, C. Wentz, T. Brady
RB: S. Barkley, E. Elliott, D. Swift, C. Edwards-Helaire, J. Dobbins, A. Gibson, K. Drake, G. Edwards
WR: M. Evans, T. Higgins, B. Aiyuk, W. Fuller, J. Reagor, C. Davis, M. Pittman, B. Perriman, R. Cobb
TE: D. Waller, M. Gesicki, H. Hurst, D. Njoku, E. Ebron, J. Akins, C. Brate
2021 Picks: 1.08, 4.05
2022 Picks: 2022 1st (mid), 2022 3rd, 2022 4th (mid), 2022 4th

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1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: J. Herbert, M. Stafford, J. Winston, D. Lock, M. Mariota, J. Stidham, R. Fitzpatrick
RB: C. McCaffrey, A. Kamara, E. Elliott, J. Dobbin, J. Mixon, A. Mattison, J. White, L. Bell
WR: D. Moore, J. Jeudy, O. Beckham Jr., C. Claypool, C. Davis. D. Parker, L. Fitzgerald, B. Perriman, W. Snead
TE: E. Engram, C. Kmet, C. Herndon, K. Warring
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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby honcho55 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:24 pm

I’m more commenting because I’m interested what folks will say. I’d wager I’d rather have the Mixon plus whatever the consensus is than Barkley in most setups. Unless it’s shallow roster 10 man, which I don’t play.

PS: was typing this while above post came in. Would hands down take Mixon and top 5 WR, not close.
main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -3 for INT
14 team, 15 keeper
start 1QB, SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT

QB: Wilson, Watson
RB: S Barkley, J Taylor, JK Dobbins, A Gibson, T Coleman
WR: J Smith-Schuster, DJ Moore, AJ Brown, A Cooper, C Kirk, A Miller
TE. T Kelce, M Gesicki

Futures
2021: 1.05, 1.13, 2.02, 2.03, 2.11
2022: 1, 1, 2, 3
2023: 1, 1, 3

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Vcize » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:25 pm

I offered OBJ and Kerryon (pre-OBJ to Cleveland) and it was rejected.
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QB: Murray, Brady
RB: Barkley, Mixon, A Jones, Coleman, Ballage
WR: Hopkins, Hill, Evans, J Jefferson, Fulgham, Preston
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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Madadamus » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:19 pm

honcho55 wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:24 pm
I’m more commenting because I’m interested what folks will say. I’d wager I’d rather have the Mixon plus whatever the consensus is than Barkley in most setups. Unless it’s shallow roster 10 man, which I don’t play.

PS: was typing this while above post came in. Would hands down take Mixon and top 5 WR, not close.
Barkley averaged 6.75 more fantasy points a game then Joe Mixon. That is significant. Barkley is head and shoulders over the rest of the field.

Plus I’m not saying it’s OBJ or Hopkins that is the other WR. Maybe it’s an Evans or JuJu type, on that fringe outside the elite studs.
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1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: J. Burrow, M. Stafford, C. Wentz, T. Brady
RB: S. Barkley, E. Elliott, D. Swift, C. Edwards-Helaire, J. Dobbins, A. Gibson, K. Drake, G. Edwards
WR: M. Evans, T. Higgins, B. Aiyuk, W. Fuller, J. Reagor, C. Davis, M. Pittman, B. Perriman, R. Cobb
TE: D. Waller, M. Gesicki, H. Hurst, D. Njoku, E. Ebron, J. Akins, C. Brate
2021 Picks: 1.08, 4.05
2022 Picks: 2022 1st (mid), 2022 3rd, 2022 4th (mid), 2022 4th

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1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: J. Herbert, M. Stafford, J. Winston, D. Lock, M. Mariota, J. Stidham, R. Fitzpatrick
RB: C. McCaffrey, A. Kamara, E. Elliott, J. Dobbin, J. Mixon, A. Mattison, J. White, L. Bell
WR: D. Moore, J. Jeudy, O. Beckham Jr., C. Claypool, C. Davis. D. Parker, L. Fitzgerald, B. Perriman, W. Snead
TE: E. Engram, C. Kmet, C. Herndon, K. Warring
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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby DynoScout » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:04 am

Your first born

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby honcho55 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:06 am

Madadamus wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:19 pm
honcho55 wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:24 pm
I’m more commenting because I’m interested what folks will say. I’d wager I’d rather have the Mixon plus whatever the consensus is than Barkley in most setups. Unless it’s shallow roster 10 man, which I don’t play.

PS: was typing this while above post came in. Would hands down take Mixon and top 5 WR, not close.
Barkley averaged 6.75 more fantasy points a game then Joe Mixon. That is significant. Barkley is head and shoulders over the rest of the field.

Plus I’m not saying it’s OBJ or Hopkins that is the other WR. Maybe it’s an Evans or JuJu type, on that fringe outside the elite studs.
Agreed 6.75 is VERY significant. I expect Barkley to continue to score more ppg than Mixon. However I wouldn’t be blown away if the gap isn’t that big going forward, and I certainly wouldn’t be too surprised if Mixon even scores more on given year. That bet to me is not worth a dynasty WR1.
main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -3 for INT
14 team, 15 keeper
start 1QB, SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT

QB: Wilson, Watson
RB: S Barkley, J Taylor, JK Dobbins, A Gibson, T Coleman
WR: J Smith-Schuster, DJ Moore, AJ Brown, A Cooper, C Kirk, A Miller
TE. T Kelce, M Gesicki

Futures
2021: 1.05, 1.13, 2.02, 2.03, 2.11
2022: 1, 1, 2, 3
2023: 1, 1, 3

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Johnny B. Goode » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:35 am

DynoScout wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:04 am
Your first born
that wouldnt move the needle for me. I've got enough kids of my own
12 team PPR, 1QB, No negative points, all TDs 6
QB: Murray, Lock, Stidham, Hurts, Winston
RB: Barkley, Zeke, Mixon, J. Taylor, Dobbins
WR: T. Hill, Godwin, Kupp, Sutton, Diggs, Gallup, P. Williams, Isabella, JJAW, Higgins, S Miller, Proche
TE: Engram, Hockenson, Arnold, Trautman
K: Tucker
TD: PIT
Picks: 2021 1, 2021 2, 2021 3, 2022 1, 2022 2, 2022 3

12 team PPR 1QB
QB: Brady, Darnold, Bridgewater, Lock (TS), Stidham (TS)
RB: Sanders, Hunt, Edmonds, Taylor, Dobbins (TS)
WR: Diggs, Gallup, Kupp, Sutton, G. Tate, Guyton, P. Williams (TS), JJAW (TS), Isabella (TS), S. Miller (TS), Higgins (TS)
TE: Jarwin, I Smith, Arnold, Trautman (TS)
K: Succop
DEF: Streaming
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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Pew Dogs » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:51 am

I offered Gurley, Godwin, and Coutee (to a guy in total rebuild). Was told it was “close”.
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RB E.Elliott, J.Taylor, J.Dobbins
WR M.Thomas, A.Cooper, C.Sutton, C.Claypool, M.Gallup
TE H.Henry, D.Sample

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TE D.Goedert, L.Thomas, R.Tonyan

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QB J.Burrow, B.Roethlisberger
RB D.Cook, J.Taylor, D.Singletary, Z.Moss, J.McKissic
WR M.Evans, K.Golladay, M.Gallup, P.Williams, R.Anderson, C.Beasley, T.Fulgham
TE G.Kittle, E.Engram

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A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby DJB » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:20 pm

I dont have any concrete evidence to this but will try some context.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/strengt ... osition=RB

Giants have 31st toughest RB schedule this year. So Barkley is already facing a tough uphill battle.

https://www.fantasypros.com/2019/07/how ... ball-2019/

This article gives great context into how poor offences usually affect RB'S a ton in terms of fantasy scoring.

Its a pretty long article but the biggest takeaway is that if a team has a bottom 10 scoring offence, there is only a 7.1 % chance that the RB on that team is a top 6 fantasy RB.

Now you could point out that Barkley was a top fantasy RB on last year on the Giants and they were a top 16 offence, but by losing Odell and relying on Manning or a rookie to keep that team out of the bottom 10 for offence seems like a stretch.

Im aware that Barkley is a stud, I realize hes generational, but I'm just trying to point out that maybe his production dips and there might be a window where his cost dips a bit.

At this time last year I believe that Gurley was the RB1 and look how far he has fallen. (Yes I understand it's different circumstances because of his injury).

Barkley is ranked #1 in RB rankings . All it takes is for him to move down one spot and you can argue his value has decreased even if it's minimal making him an easier buy.

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Re: A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:57 pm

Yeah, I think people know what Barkley is, and some may waver, for sure. Saquon will have a really tough time this year, for sure. I really do fear that his talents will never be maximized in his prime with this abysmal looking franchise. Barry Sanders 2.0? Wondering what could have been if he were with Dallas at the time. 2200 yards would have actually seemed a reasonable projection with Barry at that time, on the Cowboys. What would we project if Barkley were on the Chiefs.... :shock: Barkley without OBJ and a further deteriorated QB situation will mean it's likely he regresses from last years stats. He may get more volume, though, which long term, could be an issue....negatively. Wish the Giants had taken a QB (and I have Barkley nowhere)

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Re: A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby TheNuts » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:00 am

FantasyFreak wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:57 pm
Yeah, I think people know what Barkley is, and some may waver, for sure. Saquon will have a really tough time this year, for sure. I really do fear that his talents will never be maximized in his prime with this abysmal looking franchise. Barry Sanders 2.0? Wondering what could have been if he were with Dallas at the time. 2200 yards would have actually seemed a reasonable projection with Barry at that time, on the Cowboys. What would we project if Barkley were on the Chiefs.... :shock: Barkley without OBJ and a further deteriorated QB situation will mean it's likely he regresses from last years stats. He may get more volume, though, which long term, could be an issue....negatively. Wish the Giants had taken a QB (and I have Barkley nowhere)
This is why I can make an argument that Kamara is indeed the best running back to possess long term for dynasty. He will never take the punishment guys like Barkley will. He plays for a much better organization with a good offensive coach. Yes Brees will retire eventually, but that could be 5 years form now. I expect the Saints to find someone capable enough to replace him.

In an age where paying running backs makes little sense, most of the time, Kamara is where the offense runs through. I dont see the Saints letting him go.
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Re: A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby Cherokee » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:54 am

Zero Buy Low Period just a Buy Period
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Re: A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby JOHNNY_COCKTAIL » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:34 am

The reason I don't think Barkley fits those numbers is the man could even split out wide if need be I own him in all 4 of my dynasties you see below and I won't be selling even though I expect less than 4.0 yards per carry. I also expect possibly 120 catches

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Re: A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby smbkrypt24 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:48 am

JOHNNY_COCKTAIL wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:34 am
The reason I don't think Barkley fits those numbers is the man could even split out wide if need be I own him in all 4 of my dynasties you see below and I won't be selling even though I expect less than 4.0 yards per carry. I also expect possibly 120 catches
Auction, rebuilding teams, or trades? How did you get barkley in all 4
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2013 Startup
Team 1- Back to back champ in ‘19 and ‘20
QB: Herbert, Darnold, Luck
RB: Elliott, Cook, Barkley, Mack, Cohen, Guice
WR: T. Hill, AJB, Di. Johnson, AB, Lazard, G. Davis, Guyton
TE: Andrews, Gronk
Kicker: Crosby
Def: Rams

2021: 3.04
2022: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3

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Team 2- 4th in 2020
QB: Roethlisberger
RB: Swift, Mixon, Hunt, Gaskin, Mack, Edmonds, Guice
WR: T. Hill, JuJu, OBJ, M. Brown, Shepard, Samuel, Guyton, Hamler
TE: Ebron, Trautman
Kicker: Blankenship
Def: WFT

IR: D. Williams

2021: 1.04, 1.09
2022: 1, 2, 3

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Team 3
QB: Wentz, Winston
RB: Elliott, J. Conner, Da. Johnson, Vaughn, Guice
WR: J. Jefferson, Claypool, D. Johnson, Samuel, Campbell, Coutee
TE: Kittle, Cox, Trautman
Kicker: Myers
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