Barkley Value Check

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Barkley Value Check

Postby smallxl » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:30 pm

I know Barkley is the #1 dynasty asset. What do we need in addition to a player like Mixon to move him??
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QB: Prescott, Foles
RB: Barkley, P Barber, Duke, Gio Bernard, Gus, C Thompson, Breida, Ekeler
WR: A Cooper, Cooks, Lockett, C. Davis, Crowder, Chark, Stills
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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Madadamus » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:16 pm

smallxl wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:30 pm
I know Barkley is the #1 dynasty asset. What do we need in addition to a player like Mixon to move him??
A top 5 WR for me, and most teams can’t afford that so he’s usually a guy you aren’t trading.
12 Team PPR Dynasty - DLFS
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: T. Brady, C. Wentz, J. Winston, J. Garoppolo
RB: S. Barkley, E. Elliott, A. Kamara, K. Johnson, K. Drake, D. Harris
WR: M. Evans, D. Adams, C. Kupp, C. Davis, W. Fuller, E. Sanders
TE: E. Ebron, T.J. Hockenson, N. Fant, J. Oliver
2020 Picks: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd

12 Team PPR Dynasty
1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: T. Brady, R. Tannehill
RB: E. Elliott, L. Bell
WR: M. Evans, T.Y. Hilton, B. Cooks, S. Watkins, D. Parker, J. Smith-Schuster
TE: R. Gronkowski, E. Ebron

12 Team PPR Dynasty
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: J. Winston, M. Mariota, P. Lynch
RB: E. Elliott, A. Kamara, M. Gordon, C. McCaffrey, J. Mixon, K. Drake, I. Crowell
WR: T.Y. Hilton, C. Davis, D. Parker, Tr. Taylor, W. Snead
TE: E. Engram
2018 Picks: 1.04, 3.04, 4.04

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby honcho55 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:24 pm

I’m more commenting because I’m interested what folks will say. I’d wager I’d rather have the Mixon plus whatever the consensus is than Barkley in most setups. Unless it’s shallow roster 10 man, which I don’t play.

PS: was typing this while above post came in. Would hands down take Mixon and top 5 WR, not close.
my main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -4 for INT
14 team
start 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT. Roster 15, 2 IR. keep 10 every year (must keep one each pos) *transitioning to more keepers/full dyno over a couple years

QB: Wilson, Carr
RB: E Elliot, D Henry, M Ingram, R Armstead, M Brown, R Mostert
WR. O. Beckham, J Smith-Schuster, M Thomas, P Williams
TE. T Kelce, D Goedert

2020 picks: three 1sts, three 3rds
(Project 1 top 3, one early-mid, one mid-late)
2021: two 1sts, three 2s, 3, two 4s
2022: three 1sts, 2nd, 3rd, 5th

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Vcize » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:25 pm

I offered OBJ and Kerryon (pre-OBJ to Cleveland) and it was rejected.
Team 1 (12 team FFPC)
QB: Wentz
RB: Cook, A Jones, Mixon, Kerryon, Hunt, Hill, Drake
WR: OBJ, Lockett, ARob, Woods, ARob, Preston
TE: Howard, Cook, Goedert, Njoku, Knox

Team 2 (12 team PPR, q/r/r/w/w/w/f/t/k/d)
QB: Wilson, Dak
RB: Fournette, Kamara, Michel, Kerryon, Blount
WR: Beckham, Thielen, Enunwa, M Williams, Beasely, Amendola
TE: Eifert, Hooper, Gesicki

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Madadamus » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:19 pm

honcho55 wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:24 pm
I’m more commenting because I’m interested what folks will say. I’d wager I’d rather have the Mixon plus whatever the consensus is than Barkley in most setups. Unless it’s shallow roster 10 man, which I don’t play.

PS: was typing this while above post came in. Would hands down take Mixon and top 5 WR, not close.
Barkley averaged 6.75 more fantasy points a game then Joe Mixon. That is significant. Barkley is head and shoulders over the rest of the field.

Plus I’m not saying it’s OBJ or Hopkins that is the other WR. Maybe it’s an Evans or JuJu type, on that fringe outside the elite studs.
12 Team PPR Dynasty - DLFS
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: T. Brady, C. Wentz, J. Winston, J. Garoppolo
RB: S. Barkley, E. Elliott, A. Kamara, K. Johnson, K. Drake, D. Harris
WR: M. Evans, D. Adams, C. Kupp, C. Davis, W. Fuller, E. Sanders
TE: E. Ebron, T.J. Hockenson, N. Fant, J. Oliver
2020 Picks: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd

12 Team PPR Dynasty
1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: T. Brady, R. Tannehill
RB: E. Elliott, L. Bell
WR: M. Evans, T.Y. Hilton, B. Cooks, S. Watkins, D. Parker, J. Smith-Schuster
TE: R. Gronkowski, E. Ebron

12 Team PPR Dynasty
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: J. Winston, M. Mariota, P. Lynch
RB: E. Elliott, A. Kamara, M. Gordon, C. McCaffrey, J. Mixon, K. Drake, I. Crowell
WR: T.Y. Hilton, C. Davis, D. Parker, Tr. Taylor, W. Snead
TE: E. Engram
2018 Picks: 1.04, 3.04, 4.04

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby DynoScout » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:04 am

Your first born

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby honcho55 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:06 am

Madadamus wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:19 pm
honcho55 wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:24 pm
I’m more commenting because I’m interested what folks will say. I’d wager I’d rather have the Mixon plus whatever the consensus is than Barkley in most setups. Unless it’s shallow roster 10 man, which I don’t play.

PS: was typing this while above post came in. Would hands down take Mixon and top 5 WR, not close.
Barkley averaged 6.75 more fantasy points a game then Joe Mixon. That is significant. Barkley is head and shoulders over the rest of the field.

Plus I’m not saying it’s OBJ or Hopkins that is the other WR. Maybe it’s an Evans or JuJu type, on that fringe outside the elite studs.
Agreed 6.75 is VERY significant. I expect Barkley to continue to score more ppg than Mixon. However I wouldn’t be blown away if the gap isn’t that big going forward, and I certainly wouldn’t be too surprised if Mixon even scores more on given year. That bet to me is not worth a dynasty WR1.
my main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -4 for INT
14 team
start 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT. Roster 15, 2 IR. keep 10 every year (must keep one each pos) *transitioning to more keepers/full dyno over a couple years

QB: Wilson, Carr
RB: E Elliot, D Henry, M Ingram, R Armstead, M Brown, R Mostert
WR. O. Beckham, J Smith-Schuster, M Thomas, P Williams
TE. T Kelce, D Goedert

2020 picks: three 1sts, three 3rds
(Project 1 top 3, one early-mid, one mid-late)
2021: two 1sts, three 2s, 3, two 4s
2022: three 1sts, 2nd, 3rd, 5th

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Johnny B. Goode » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:35 am

DynoScout wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:04 am
Your first born
that wouldnt move the needle for me. I've got enough kids of my own

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Re: Barkley Value Check

Postby Pew Dogs » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:51 am

I offered Gurley, Godwin, and Coutee (to a guy in total rebuild). Was told it was “close”.
12 team, dynasty, ppr, 1RB, 3WR, 1RB/WR

QB P.Mahomes, M.Mariota
RB E.Elliott, D.Freeman, R.Jones, I.Smith, D.Williams, D.Thompson
WR M.Thomas, J.Jones, A.Green, T.Hilton, M.Gallup, D.Parker, M.Valdez-Scantling
TE G.Olsen, J.Akins

QB P.Mahomes
RB S.Barkley, D.Freeman, A.Jones, S.Michel, T.Coleman
WR J.Jones, S.Diggs, K.Golladay, C.Godwin, A.Robinson, M.Gallup, D.Hamilton
TE T.Kelce

QB P.Mahomes
RB E.Elliott, N.Chubb, T.Cohen
WR D.Hopkins, K.Golladay, C.Godwin, S.Shepard, M.Valdez-Scantling, R.Foster, D.Hamilton
TE T.Kelce

QB P.Mahomes
RB L.Fornette, D.Freeman, M.Ingram, G.Edwards
WR D.Moore, T.Boyd, C.Godwin, D.Jackson, J.Washington, A.Calloway, T.Gabriel, J.Gordon, A.Humphries, E.St.Brown
TE J.Doyle, C.Herndon

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A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby DJB » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:20 pm

I dont have any concrete evidence to this but will try some context.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/strengt ... osition=RB

Giants have 31st toughest RB schedule this year. So Barkley is already facing a tough uphill battle.

https://www.fantasypros.com/2019/07/how ... ball-2019/

This article gives great context into how poor offences usually affect RB'S a ton in terms of fantasy scoring.

Its a pretty long article but the biggest takeaway is that if a team has a bottom 10 scoring offence, there is only a 7.1 % chance that the RB on that team is a top 6 fantasy RB.

Now you could point out that Barkley was a top fantasy RB on last year on the Giants and they were a top 16 offence, but by losing Odell and relying on Manning or a rookie to keep that team out of the bottom 10 for offence seems like a stretch.

Im aware that Barkley is a stud, I realize hes generational, but I'm just trying to point out that maybe his production dips and there might be a window where his cost dips a bit.

At this time last year I believe that Gurley was the RB1 and look how far he has fallen. (Yes I understand it's different circumstances because of his injury).

Barkley is ranked #1 in RB rankings . All it takes is for him to move down one spot and you can argue his value has decreased even if it's minimal making him an easier buy.

Take this thread for what its worth. :)

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Re: A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:57 pm

Yeah, I think people know what Barkley is, and some may waver, for sure. Saquon will have a really tough time this year, for sure. I really do fear that his talents will never be maximized in his prime with this abysmal looking franchise. Barry Sanders 2.0? Wondering what could have been if he were with Dallas at the time. 2200 yards would have actually seemed a reasonable projection with Barry at that time, on the Cowboys. What would we project if Barkley were on the Chiefs.... :shock: Barkley without OBJ and a further deteriorated QB situation will mean it's likely he regresses from last years stats. He may get more volume, though, which long term, could be an issue....negatively. Wish the Giants had taken a QB (and I have Barkley nowhere)
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Re: A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby TheNuts » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:00 am

FantasyFreak wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:57 pm
Yeah, I think people know what Barkley is, and some may waver, for sure. Saquon will have a really tough time this year, for sure. I really do fear that his talents will never be maximized in his prime with this abysmal looking franchise. Barry Sanders 2.0? Wondering what could have been if he were with Dallas at the time. 2200 yards would have actually seemed a reasonable projection with Barry at that time, on the Cowboys. What would we project if Barkley were on the Chiefs.... :shock: Barkley without OBJ and a further deteriorated QB situation will mean it's likely he regresses from last years stats. He may get more volume, though, which long term, could be an issue....negatively. Wish the Giants had taken a QB (and I have Barkley nowhere)
This is why I can make an argument that Kamara is indeed the best running back to possess long term for dynasty. He will never take the punishment guys like Barkley will. He plays for a much better organization with a good offensive coach. Yes Brees will retire eventually, but that could be 5 years form now. I expect the Saints to find someone capable enough to replace him.

In an age where paying running backs makes little sense, most of the time, Kamara is where the offense runs through. I dont see the Saints letting him go.

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Re: A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby Cherokee » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:54 am

Zero Buy Low Period just a Buy Period
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QB- Aaron Rodgers, Dak
RB- Mark Ingram, Tarik Cohen, P. Lindsey, Gus Edwards, Jamaal Williams
WR- Sammy Watkins, Alshon Jeffery, Allen Robinson, Tyler Lockett, J Gordon, Keke Coutee, Geranimo Allison
TE- Travis Kelce, Goedert
LB- Dion Jones, Darius Leonard
DE- JJ Watt
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Re: A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby JOHNNY_COCKTAIL » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:34 am

The reason I don't think Barkley fits those numbers is the man could even split out wide if need be I own him in all 4 of my dynasties you see below and I won't be selling even though I expect less than 4.0 yards per carry. I also expect possibly 120 catches
12 Team PPR (PPR- QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX, D, K)
QB- Winston
RB- Barkely, Cook, AP
WR- K. Allen, Hill, Diggs, Golladay, DJ Moore, Shepard, Enunwa, Callaway, Chark
TE- Kelce, Gesicki

10 Team .5 PPR. QB Premium. Added Big Play Points (QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 FLEX (non qb), D, K)
QB- Brees, Mayfield, Prescott
RB- Barkley, Cook, Dixon, I. Smith
WR- OBJ, D. Adams, Evans, B. Cooks, Kupp, C. Davis, Godwin, Boyd, Fuller, J. Gordon, Gallup
TE: Mike Gesicki, Vance McDonald

12 Team. Superflex. TE Premium. PPR. (QB, SF, 2-4 RB, 2-4 WR, TE)
QB: Wilson, Ryan, Eli, Fitzpatrick
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Ekelar, I. Smith, D. Lewis, Gio
WR: Hill, Evans, KA, Metcalf, M. Brown, Whiteside, Agholor, D. Robinson
TE: McDonald, Reed, Hurst, Everett

12 team. PPR. Superflex.
(1 QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 2 WR, 3 Flex, TE)
QB: Luck, Wilson, Lock, Fitzpatrick
RB: Joe Mixon, Josh Jacobs, D. Lewis, J. Richard
WR: Mike Evans, Hill, Cooks, M.Brown, Gallup, Ross, Richardson
TE: Kelce, Everett, Smith

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Re: A possible "buy low period" for Saquon may happen this year

Postby smbkrypt24 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:48 am

JOHNNY_COCKTAIL wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:34 am
The reason I don't think Barkley fits those numbers is the man could even split out wide if need be I own him in all 4 of my dynasties you see below and I won't be selling even though I expect less than 4.0 yards per carry. I also expect possibly 120 catches
Auction, rebuilding teams, or trades? How did you get barkley in all 4
12 Team PPR Dynasty. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 Kicker, 1 Defense. 20 roster spots.

Team 1
QB: Prescott
RB: S. Barkley, E. Elliott, K. Hunt, R. Mostert
WR: T. Hill, K. Allen, R. Woods, M. Gallup, D. Johnson, Coutee
TE: Walker, Doyle, Cook, Oliver, Sternbgerger, Dissly, Gronk
Kicker: Zuerlein
Def:

Draft Picks:
2020: 1, 3

Team 2. Scoring and Roster limits listed above.
QB: Watson
RB: Da. Johnson, Du. Johnson, Mostert, K. Hunt
WR: OBJ, M. Evans, Chark, R. Woods, J. Ross, Coutee, P. Williams, Pettis, T. Smith, Isabella
TE: E. Ebron, Fells, J. Smith, Sternberger
Kicker: McManus
Def:

Draft Picks:
None

Team 3. Scoring and Roster limits listed above.
QB: Brissett, Roethlisberger, Luck
RB: M. Mack, K. Hunt, Du. Johnson, B. Hill, M. Brown
WR: T. Hill, OBJ, M. Evans, JuJu, M. Brown, J. Ross, Coutee
TE: D. Fells, J. Graham, Dissly
Kicker: Prater
Def:

Draft Picks:
2020: 1, 1


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