DK Metcalf is your 1.01 now.
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DK Metcalf is already an emotionally fragile dude.
If fans start ripping into him, is he going to be the type to step it up or to have a melt down?
If fans start ripping into him, is he going to be the type to step it up or to have a melt down?
Re: DK Metcalf is your 1.01 now.
In some other offense this might be too much year one pressure to perform for a guy that still needs time to develop, but this is Schotty's Seattle offense we're talking about, doing its best impression of a 90s / early 2000s ball-control offense.
Lockett can carry the load as the primary chain-mover through the air, and beyond that the Hawks are so run heavy that Mecalf probably won't need to shoulder more than 50-60 targets in year one. For now, in this offense he can stick to just running four routes (fade, post, curl, slant). Heck, he might be able to do it his whole career (other guys have).
Lockett can carry the load as the primary chain-mover through the air, and beyond that the Hawks are so run heavy that Mecalf probably won't need to shoulder more than 50-60 targets in year one. For now, in this offense he can stick to just running four routes (fade, post, curl, slant). Heck, he might be able to do it his whole career (other guys have).
What's this in reference to?DK Metcalf is already an emotionally fragile dude.
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The average fan can’t tell a well-run route vs. a poor route ... hell, most people on this forum (myself included) can’t make that distinction. Unless he really struggles with drops or his off field behavior becomes an issue, fans aren’t going to be critical of him.
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You're right - the average fan cannot.Forza_Azzurri wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:20 pmThe average fan can’t tell a well-run route vs. a poor route ... hell, most people on this forum (myself included) can’t make that distinction. Unless he really struggles with drops or his off field behavior becomes an issue, fans aren’t going to be critical of him.
The one thing that an average fan does pay attention to?
Statistics. If the statistics are not there, Seahawks fans will be calling him a bust after year one like they are with Penny.
Re: DK Metcalf is your 1.01 now.
Hard to buy that. Seattle was well aware of Baldwin and moved up for him. Not sure about targets just yet but 5-8 TD’s and 15 yards per catch are a very real possibility with Wilson.Phaded wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:41 pm I am not so sure Metcalf got a boost with Baldwin gone; I was under the assumption that most would have understood Metcalf was drafted as the eventual replacement as the WR1 for the Seahawks. I think hoping for immediate significance from Metcalf was always a bit too optimistic and you can call me crazy - but I think he would have benefited more from not being thrust into an every down starter role.
When he does not perform well now in year one - he will be chastised. Rightfully so or not. It can be damaging and challenging to a young kid's resolve.
Seattle does not have much after Lockett.
He will most likely start week 1 like every where else he has ever played.
There will be growing pains for sure but this kid comes from good stock and work ethic is of zero concern.
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Re: DK Metcalf is your 1.01 now.
I would think the 2 minutes of crying from falling in the draft. I think it there was a podcast that talked about that, too. The idea that you'd prefer to see the guy take the attitude of saying I'm going to prove ya'll wrong type thing, as apposed to blubbering about why'd you wait so long and losing all control of speech. Not saying I agree, but I think that might be the idea.ninotoreS wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:18 pm In some other offense this might be too much year one pressure to perform for a guy that still needs time to develop, but this is Schotty's Seattle offense we're talking about, doing its best impression of a 90s / early 2000s ball-control offense.
Lockett can carry the load as the primary chain-mover through the air, and beyond that the Hawks are so run heavy that Mecalf probably won't need to shoulder more than 50-60 targets in year one. For now, in this offense he can stick to just running four routes (fade, post, curl, slant). Heck, he might be able to do it his whole career (other guys have).
What's this in reference to?DK Metcalf is already an emotionally fragile dude.
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I sincerely apologize for the rabbit trail here, but are you implying Penny isn’t currently profiling as a bust? Any RB taken in the 1st round who can’t move beyond 3rd on the depth chart is looking like a bust.Phaded wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:29 pmYou're right - the average fan cannot.Forza_Azzurri wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:20 pmThe average fan can’t tell a well-run route vs. a poor route ... hell, most people on this forum (myself included) can’t make that distinction. Unless he really struggles with drops or his off field behavior becomes an issue, fans aren’t going to be critical of him.
The one thing that an average fan does pay attention to?
Statistics. If the statistics are not there, Seahawks fans will be calling him a bust after year one like they are with Penny.
It’s not Penny's fault, he was viewed by just about everyone as a mid-late day 2 guy, and that’s where his talent seems to lie. A Tevin Coleman, Miami Lamar Miller, etc type of talent who isn’t good enough or ready enough to be a workhorse (at least not yet). That’s a bust.
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Re: DK Metcalf is your 1.01 now.
DJ wasn't going to overtake CJ until CJ got hurt. It takes small school guys a little longer to adjust sometimes, especially when injured in training camp/preseason. Has nothing to do with being a bust.lukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:47 pmI sincerely apologize for the rabbit trail here, but are you implying Penny isn’t currently profiling as a bust? Any RB taken in the 1st round who can’t move beyond 3rd on the depth chart is looking like a bust.Phaded wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:29 pmYou're right - the average fan cannot.Forza_Azzurri wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:20 pm The average fan can’t tell a well-run route vs. a poor route ... hell, most people on this forum (myself included) can’t make that distinction. Unless he really struggles with drops or his off field behavior becomes an issue, fans aren’t going to be critical of him.
The one thing that an average fan does pay attention to?
Statistics. If the statistics are not there, Seahawks fans will be calling him a bust after year one like they are with Penny.
It’s not Penny's fault, he was viewed by just about everyone as a mid-late day 2 guy, and that’s where his talent seems to lie. A Tevin Coleman, Miami Lamar Miller, etc type of talent who isn’t good enough or ready enough to be a workhorse (at least not yet). That’s a bust.
Re: DK Metcalf is your 1.01 now.
Fans were labeling Penny a bust because he was a 1st round picked RB that didn't win the starting job. They were doing that before the season even started, so it wasn't about stats.
I think Hawk fans are bright enough to understand if their offense only throws 475 times, their WR2 and WR3 probably aren't gonna have big stats.
I think Hawk fans are bright enough to understand if their offense only throws 475 times, their WR2 and WR3 probably aren't gonna have big stats.
I watched Tom Brady get teary eyed in an interview in 2017 regarding how he fell in his draft.FantasyFreak wrote:I would think the 2 minutes of crying from falling in the draft.
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Tom Brady is a sissy little crybaby.
Re: DK Metcalf is your 1.01 now.
Well, maybe, but he's also the GOAT, so. I think Metcalf will get a pass for being emotional about dropping.
Do people remember Lawrence Phillips balling his eyes out on the bench once after he fumbled in a Nebraska game? He strangled a street gang hitman to death in the prison cell they shared.
Do people remember Lawrence Phillips balling his eyes out on the bench once after he fumbled in a Nebraska game? He strangled a street gang hitman to death in the prison cell they shared.
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Re: DK Metcalf is your 1.01 now.
Yeah, like I said, that's the narrative floating around out there, not saying I agree with it. But I've heard it talked about, in regards to Metcalf's mental make up.ninotoreS wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:53 pm Fans were labeling Penny a bust because he was a 1st round picked RB that didn't win the starting job. They were doing that before the season even started, so it wasn't about stats.
I think Hawk fans are bright enough to understand if their offense only throws 475 times, their WR2 and WR3 probably aren't gonna have big stats.
I watched Tom Brady get teary eyed in an interview in 2017 regarding how he fell in his draft.FantasyFreak wrote:I would think the 2 minutes of crying from falling in the draft.
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Re: DK Metcalf is your 1.01 now.
...I'm not sure what you're debating with me Ice.Ice wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:41 pmHard to buy that. Seattle was well aware of Baldwin and moved up for him. Not sure about targets just yet but 5-8 TD’s and 15 yards per catch are a very real possibility with Wilson.Phaded wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:41 pm I am not so sure Metcalf got a boost with Baldwin gone; I was under the assumption that most would have understood Metcalf was drafted as the eventual replacement as the WR1 for the Seahawks. I think hoping for immediate significance from Metcalf was always a bit too optimistic and you can call me crazy - but I think he would have benefited more from not being thrust into an every down starter role.
When he does not perform well now in year one - he will be chastised. Rightfully so or not. It can be damaging and challenging to a young kid's resolve.
Seattle does not have much after Lockett.
He will most likely start week 1 like every where else he has ever played.
There will be growing pains for sure but this kid comes from good stock and work ethic is of zero concern.
It sounds like we agree on the first part of what you said; which is why I said that Metcalf does not suddenly get a boost with Baldwin gone.. because that was the expectation all along..
I also think David Moore is going to get more snaps than people around here are thinking while it takes Metcalf time to adjust.
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I've also heard steroids mess with your testosterone and emotions..
Just saying.
Re: DK Metcalf is your 1.01 now.
I saw players crying all over the place this draft just like drafts every year.
I can imagine it was a little shocking for DK but his tears were obviously a combination of relief and joy.
Funny how some confuse emotion with passion while others will do everything possible to tear down a player.
Imagine he will use as motivation.
Sure hope he doesn’t cry when he drops his first pass!
I can imagine it was a little shocking for DK but his tears were obviously a combination of relief and joy.
Funny how some confuse emotion with passion while others will do everything possible to tear down a player.
Imagine he will use as motivation.
Sure hope he doesn’t cry when he drops his first pass!
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