Todd Gurley to bust in 2019?

[FantasyFreak]

One thing this should definitely change is our perception that an ACL tear is not a major injury. People say it all the time. Gurley should not have played after his suspension at Georgia. That decision may have single handedly changed the future contract situations for countless Running Backs.

[honcho55]

People tend to act like doctors, trainers etc. We don't sh@t about this stuff.

I act like one for a living and still don't know sh@t about it. I don't specialize in radiology or orthopedic surgery, so unlike most, I stay in my lane.

Entirely respectable to stay in your lane. In fact it was stressed pretty heavily to me in my athletic training/PT coursework that scope of practice is very important.

However this doesn’t apply to fantasy football imo. I’m happy to take my own ‘insight’ and try to use it as an advantage. If I’m wrong, I just hurt my team, I’m not sabotaging a client or opening myself up to liability problems.

End of the day, my take on something like gurleys knee health is going to include my (admittedly limited) knowledge on the topic.

[Orenthal Shames]

People tend to act like doctors, trainers etc. We don't sh@t about this stuff.

I act like one for a living and still don't know sh@t about it. I don't specialize in radiology or orthopedic surgery, so unlike most, I stay in my lane.

Entirely respectable to stay in your lane. In fact it was stressed pretty heavily to me in my athletic training/PT coursework that scope of practice is very important.

It's been so ingrained at this point. I specialize in pediatric critical care, so arthritic knees are hardly my wheelhouse.

Web MD'ing is one of my major pet peeves professionally, but I find it somewhat amusing in this context.

[FantasyFreak]

I act like one for a living and still don't know sh@t about it. I don't specialize in radiology or orthopedic surgery, so unlike most, I stay in my lane.

Entirely respectable to stay in your lane. In fact it was stressed pretty heavily to me in my athletic training/PT coursework that scope of practice is very important.

It's been so ingrained at this point. I specialize in pediatric critical care, so arthritic knees are hardly my wheelhouse.

Web MD'ing is one of my major pet peeves professionally, but I find it somewhat amusing in this context.

Reggie Bush recently stated arthritis is common to players in the NFL. I don't doubt it, it's a tough game. One thing I should point out to an earlier comment that the Rams have been disingenuous, is that they aren't required to list arthritis as an injury on an injury report, so to report Gurley's knee issue ahead of the SB was not necessary, and would have been downright stupid, to tip off the Pats that Gurley may not be as much of a factor. The Rams have mentioned that the "wear and tear" as they put it, has been managed since he came into the league, and that each year they come up with a plan for Todd in the off season. This is the first time the Rams have been deep into the playoffs, and Gurley was not able to hold up to the workload he had already had plus the addition of extra playoff games, so it makes perfect sense to me to change Gurley's off season program to try and design it for a longer season, with obvious Super Bowl aspirations. I think to expect Gurley to be the RB1 again may be a pipe dream, but as an earlier poster suggested, 80 percent of Gurley's point would have made him RB6, and 60 percent would have made him RB 12, so to me, Gurley finishing as an RB1 is the most likely outcome next year. That's why I have traded for him in 2 leagues.

[Orenthal Shames]

Entirely respectable to stay in your lane. In fact it was stressed pretty heavily to me in my athletic training/PT coursework that scope of practice is very important.

It's been so ingrained at this point. I specialize in pediatric critical care, so arthritic knees are hardly my wheelhouse.

Web MD'ing is one of my major pet peeves professionally, but I find it somewhat amusing in this context.

Reggie Bush recently stated arthritis is common to players in the NFL. I don't doubt it, it's a tough game. One thing I should point out to an earlier comment that the Rams have been disingenuous, is that they aren't required to list arthritis as an injury on an injury report, so to report Gurley's knee issue ahead of the SB was not necessary, and would have been downright stupid, to tip off the Pats that Gurley may not be as much of a factor. The Rams have mentioned that the "wear and tear" as they put it, has been managed since he came into the league, and that each year they come up with a plan for Todd in the off season. This is the first time the Rams have been deep into the playoffs, and Gurley was not able to hold up to the workload he had already had plus the addition of extra playoff games, so it makes perfect sense to me to change Gurley's off season program to try and design it for a longer season, with obvious Super Bowl aspirations. I think to expect Gurley to be the RB1 again may be a pipe dream, but as an earlier poster suggested, 80 percent of Gurley's point would have made him RB6, and 60 percent would have made him RB 12, so to me, Gurley finishing as an RB1 is the most likely outcome next year. That's why I have traded for him in 2 leagues.

If I didn't own him already, I'd be buying him anywhere I could.

[hoos89]

I think RB#16 is his ceiling. I actually doubt he plays a full 16 games in 2019.

It's absolutely absurd to call RB16 Todd Gurley's ceiling. Even if he only plays 12 games he could still very easily be an RB1.

[Orenthal Shames]

I think RB#16 is his ceiling. I actually doubt he plays a full 16 games in 2019.

It's absolutely absurd to call RB16 Todd Gurley's ceiling. Even if he only plays 12 games he could still very easily be an RB1.

Also seen Henderson's floor is a flex play

[themburns]

One thing that seems important to note right now is the discrepancy between Todd Gurley's redraft and dynasty ADP at the present moment. Dynasty players as a whole still trust Gurley more than the redrafters. Gurley's ADP for June was 14 (thanks mizelle!), while in redraft, where the MFL PPR redraft data taken in the last month has Gurley at 17. FFCalculator says the same (1500 mocks over the last 3 days). It's a slight enough difference to just be noise, but one would expect that the dynasty players would have to be more cautious than redrafters about these things.

[Jigga94]

I think RB#16 is his ceiling. I actually doubt he plays a full 16 games in 2019.

Stop it.

Stop this entire debate. What a cyclical nightmare.

Just wake up!

[Pullo Vision]

One thing that seems important to note right now is the discrepancy between Todd Gurley's redraft and dynasty ADP at the present moment. Dynasty players as a whole still trust Gurley more than the redrafters. Gurley's ADP for June was 14 (thanks mizelle!), while in redraft, where the MFL PPR redraft data taken in the last month has Gurley at 17. FFCalculator says the same (1500 mocks over the last 3 days). It's a slight enough difference to just be noise, but one would expect that the dynasty players would have to be more cautious than redrafters about these things.

That is an interesting point. You'd think Gurley is a better snort-range win-now target (ie redraft) than a long term option. Perhaps this speaks to a different mentality, where dynasty players disregard offseason news that overly hype/bash a player while redrafters take them as valuable Intel for the coming season.

I also see dynasty players as "professional" fantasy players, while redrafters are more part-time/recreational participants.

[hockeyBjj]

One thing that seems important to note right now is the discrepancy between Todd Gurley's redraft and dynasty ADP at the present moment. Dynasty players as a whole still trust Gurley more than the redrafters. Gurley's ADP for June was 14 (thanks mizelle!), while in redraft, where the MFL PPR redraft data taken in the last month has Gurley at 17. FFCalculator says the same (1500 mocks over the last 3 days). It's a slight enough difference to just be noise, but one would expect that the dynasty players would have to be more cautious than redrafters about these things.

There's hundreds of counter examples, but dynasty players are more clued in and informed on average than redrafters. A lot of redraft leagues are casual church, coworkers, family leagues, etc. People like my dad who do nothing but download a rankings sheet from whoever shows up first on Google, then draft day, remember ESPN talking about Gurley having knee arthritis, and passing on him even tho the "expert" sheet had already downgraded Gurley to a reasonable position with everyone's best guess as to the news.

The casual fantasy player plays redraft leagues. The casual fantasy player overreacts to news on big name players, whether good or bad.

Redraft, Gurley could again be a league winner if he's gotten in the mid to late 2nd round.

[hoos89]

One thing that seems important to note right now is the discrepancy between Todd Gurley's redraft and dynasty ADP at the present moment. Dynasty players as a whole still trust Gurley more than the redrafters. Gurley's ADP for June was 14 (thanks mizelle!), while in redraft, where the MFL PPR redraft data taken in the last month has Gurley at 17. FFCalculator says the same (1500 mocks over the last 3 days). It's a slight enough difference to just be noise, but one would expect that the dynasty players would have to be more cautious than redrafters about these things.

There's hundreds of counter examples, but dynasty players are more clued in and informed on average than redrafters. A lot of redraft leagues are casual church, coworkers, family leagues, etc. People like my dad who do nothing but download a rankings sheet from whoever shows up first on Google, then draft day, remember ESPN talking about Gurley having knee arthritis, and passing on him even tho the "expert" sheet had already downgraded Gurley to a reasonable position with everyone's best guess as to the news.

The casual fantasy player plays redraft leagues. The casual fantasy player overreacts to news on big name players, whether good or bad.

Redraft, Gurley could again be a league winner if he's gotten in the mid to late 2nd round.

Sorry to interrupt the dynasty circlejerk, but these numbers are apples and oranges. If you look at the actual MFL data for redraft and dynasty, you will see that Gurley is #18 in redraft and #23 in keeper.

[Phaded]

I would not throw shade at redraft owners.

Many dynasty owners are also notorious for taking too long to let go.

Which is ironic, because if a player does not produce year one - many owners lack patience for some players but not all due to the pixie dust formulas.

It is a rather intriguing phenomenon.

[GridironGuerilla]

We could all use some football.

[John Paul]

I own him in dyno and I think a lot of this issue is overblown. However, I was able to grab Henderson in the late 2nd as a solid handcuff, so I'm definitely holding.