Real Talk - DJ Moore

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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby Mjvb5 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:22 am

Love the kid but everywhere I look he's out of my price range. Most owners want multiple firsts and in startups he's already going as a top 20 WR. I still like him and value him as a high first and as a high end WR3, but IMO his buy in is long gone and not worth the risk of putting two firsts into him
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby BigBawseRoss » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:19 am

i like moore a lot but i dont like his home. same with corey davis.

dont wanna invest in someone in a bad situation even if i really like their game personally. they dont throw to themselves unfortunately.

i think Cam has had 1 career WR2 if im not mistaken and it was Kelvin benjamins rookie season with just over 1k yards and 8 or 9 TDs.

you cant tell me that for 8 consecutive seasons he was given nothing to work with at WR and that DJ moore is finally the capable WR Cams been waiting for.

we know what cam is by now and hes gonna pass for just over 3k yards, 22is TD spread it around, run it a bunch, and now CMC dominates targets, its a mess for WR imo.

so if moore gets 1/3 of cams passing production hes looking at a 1k season and 7 TD..if he managed to get 33% to himself. im not betting on that.
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:29 am

BigBawseRoss wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:19 am
i like moore a lot but i dont like his home. same with corey davis.

dont wanna invest in someone in a bad situation even if i really like their game personally. they dont throw to themselves unfortunately.

i think Cam has had 1 career WR2 if im not mistaken and it was Kelvin benjamins rookie season with just over 1k yards and 8 or 9 TDs.

you cant tell me that for 8 consecutive seasons he was given nothing to work with at WR and that DJ moore is finally the capable WR Cams been waiting for.

we know what cam is by now and hes gonna pass for just over 3k yards, 22is TD spread it around, run it a bunch, and now CMC dominates targets, its a mess for WR imo.

so if moore gets 1/3 of cams passing production hes looking at a 1k season and 7 TD..if he managed to get 33% to himself. im not betting on that.
He wasn't given much at that position. I mean, DJ is clearly the most talented WR they've had since Steve Smith, IMO. I honestly have no idea how the targets will go, but I think DJ will definitely be a focal point of the offense, along with CMC. He was a first round pick, and I think they intend to expand his role. He had almost 200 yards, rushing last year, too.

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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby Pet_Smith » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:37 am

BigBawseRoss wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:19 am
so if moore gets 1/3 of cams passing production hes looking at a 1k season and 7 TD..if he managed to get 33% to himself. im not betting on that.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:29 am
He wasn't given much at that position. I mean, DJ is clearly the most talented WR they've had since Steve Smith, IMO. I honestly have no idea how the targets will go, but I think DJ will definitely be a focal point of the offense, along with CMC. He was a first round pick, and I think they intend to expand his role. He had almost 200 yards, rushing last year, too.
I actually agree with both of these. Cam hasn't necessarily had the best supporting cast, so Moore could conceivably be the best WR he's had to throw to.

But I think we have seen all we can expect from Cam's number 1 receiver too - 8 seasons (?! Wow, didn't realise he'd been here that long!) is pretty indicative. If was going to throw more, they'd have been a few one season wonders in Carolina. as it is, I think the 1k 7TD's is probably (unfortunately) Moore's ceiling, but barring any injury I'd expect him to get pretty close to that.
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby Titus Young's Lawyer » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:06 pm

In Cam’s rookie season Steve Smith had 79/1,394/7 and Smith has another 1,000 Yard year in 2014 with Cam at QB. WR has been trash recently in Carolina. If people are low on Moore because of a recent bias towards the performance of WR’s in Carolina then Moore is a strong buy for me.
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby Krypto_King » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:46 pm

I'm struggling to think of a better RAC WR... ever. Maybe Julio on pure freakiness. I think his TDs are capped because they run in the RZ but I'm not going to say 1200 receiving and another 200 rushing aren't doable. say 80-1400-7 that's basically WR12

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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby petebusey » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:57 pm

Krypto_King wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:46 pm
I'm struggling to think of a better RAC WR... ever. Maybe Julio on pure freakiness. I think his TDs are capped because they run in the RZ but I'm not going to say 1200 receiving and another 200 rushing aren't doable. say 80-1400-7 that's basically WR12
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby Elroypedro » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:42 pm

Krypto_King wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:46 pm
I'm struggling to think of a better RAC WR... ever. Maybe Julio on pure freakiness. I think his TDs are capped because they run in the RZ but I'm not going to say 1200 receiving and another 200 rushing aren't doable. say 80-1400-7 that's basically WR12
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby darewood11 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:41 pm

Gave kupp straight up for him. Preferred the youth and what I see as higher ceiling.
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby Pullo Vision » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:58 am

Titus Young's Lawyer wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:06 pm
In Cam’s rookie season Steve Smith had 79/1,394/7 and Smith has another 1,000 Yard year in 2014 with Cam at QB. WR has been trash recently in Carolina. If people are low on Moore because of a recent bias towards the performance of WR’s in Carolina then Moore is a strong buy for me.
I don't get why people are dismissing Smitty. Despite Cam's inaccuracy issues (never as bad as Tebow's, mind you), Smith turned in some Pro Bowl caliber seasons.

Dismissing any Carolina WRs because of what they've done as a group? Look at the group first, especially after Smith's last year in Carolina- https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ineups.htm
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby ArrylT » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:14 am

I would agree if it was just a couple of years - but 8 years is 8 years. Maybe 2019 will be the outlier but for me a Cam Newton offence is a Cam Newton offence - its going to feature a lot of rushing, including 400+ plus on the ground from Newton himself, and plenty of TE involvement. I do not think that will derail Moores development, just that the odds of him becoming a WR1 this year are pretty slim. I see him more like a WR2-3 this year ... but we shall see.
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby Bot101 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:22 am

Pullo Vision wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:58 am
Titus Young's Lawyer wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:06 pm
In Cam’s rookie season Steve Smith had 79/1,394/7 and Smith has another 1,000 Yard year in 2014 with Cam at QB. WR has been trash recently in Carolina. If people are low on Moore because of a recent bias towards the performance of WR’s in Carolina then Moore is a strong buy for me.
I don't get why people are dismissing Smitty. Despite Cam's inaccuracy issues (never as bad as Tebow's, mind you), Smith turned in some Pro Bowl caliber seasons.

Dismissing any Carolina WRs because of what they've done as a group? Look at the group first, especially after Smith's last year in Carolina- https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ineups.htm
This is how I feel. I get 8 years is a large sample size that backs up the arguement that Cam loves using the TE position over the WR position. But we cant dismiss the complete lack of talent at the WR position. And we also should recognize that Olsen had been elite at the TE position.

I know its a very small sample size but for that brief period of time when Moore was finally getting starter snaps AND Cam was still healthy, Moore was putting up top 10 WR numbers. CMC didnt really become a league winner till Cam couldn't throw like he normally does.

Olsen is pretty much gone, Ian Thomas is raw, Samuels is more of a gadget type player, and the coaching staff has come out and say that they plan on reducing CMCs touches to preserve him.

So is it really that much of a stretch to see Moore be a top 12 fantasy WR??? Im thinking about putting my money where my writing is and sending away one of the top WRs in my sig and getting Moore back in a package deal. I feel that confident in his talent.

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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby Pullo Vision » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:00 pm

Bot101 wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:22 am
I'm thinking about putting my money where my writing is and sending away one of the top WRs in my sig and getting Moore back in a package deal. I feel that confident in his talent.
I've been thinking the same. I was a pre draft fan and, him producing so well in a sub optimal situation (not bad, sub optimal) really has me enthusiastic about him.
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby ascherb » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:16 pm

Cam, as he continues to progress through his career (if healthy), could very well learn to utilize his WRs more than in past years with Olsen in his prime, especially since Moore and Samuel to a degree are among the most talented WRs he had.

I’m not saying I think Moore has a 100/1300/10 season in him, but if his ceiling is capped I don’t think it’s because of Cam’s past usage of WRs. As Olsen is removed from the picture, you’re going to see increased targets for the WRs unless Thomas is a god.

Moore is an exciting asset no matter how you slice it.
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Re: Real Talk - DJ Moore

Postby Bot101 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:17 pm

Pullo Vision wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:00 pm
Bot101 wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:22 am
I'm thinking about putting my money where my writing is and sending away one of the top WRs in my sig and getting Moore back in a package deal. I feel that confident in his talent.
I've been thinking the same. I was a pre draft fan and, him producing so well in a sub optimal situation (not bad, sub optimal) really has me enthusiastic about him.
Right now the guy I traded Moore to offered
Moore
1.07
1.08

For OBJ.

That feels a bit lite. So now were talking about:
Moore
Guice
Baker
17th overall
18th overall

For OBJ + Cam

Im thinking hard about this deal. Plus I'm personally not a fan of OBJ and hes a tough sell due to his antics.


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