Damien Williams - convince me

[Phaded]

When a coach says "it's a matter of production and doing it" and "take it one game at a time" -- that's not exactly a "ringing endorsement". Not once did Reid actually talk about the skillset that Williams has or anything of that nature, other than there is a challenge to this role and he is taking the challenge. He did not even say he is doing a good job of it. I'm not sure how people are taking this quote as some high praise. It is a bunch of fluff without saying anything relevant.

Sure, Damien Williams is the full-time starter now.. until he isn't.
All it takes is a bad performance or two (which is completely feasible with his talent level) early in the season to consider a change of pace, or the dreaded 'hot hand' approach that fantasy owners hate.

Damien Williams is the starter right now; what else is Andy Reid going to say?
If he doesn't perform, then all bets are off. That is basically what Reid is saying.

The biggest thing in his favour right now is there is not a major threat in that backfield to his workload, yet.

[Sriracha]

Interesting that's your take away from this. I read it more as a ringing endorsement that he believes he's the best running back on this roster.

I totally think he's saying that. However, today's roster doesn't include the rookie they might draft next year, perhaps someone more highly regarded than a 6th round scatback that Veach wanted less than this guy.

Oh, for sure. I'm just saying that this statement means nothing in regards to who the future RB for the KC chief will be in 2020.

[ninotoreS]

Like I said, I'm just wondering about the choice of phrasing. He could've just said "he's our full-time starter", period. Maybe it means something, maybe it doesn't.

When a coach says "it's a matter of production and doing it" and "take it one game at a time" -- that's not exactly a "ringing endorsement". Not once did Reid actually talk about the skillset that Williams has or anything of that nature, other than there is a challenge to this role and he is taking the challenge. He did not even say he is doing a good job of it. I'm not sure how people are taking this quote as some high praise. It is a bunch of fluff without saying anything relevant.

"Full time starter" ostensibly means Reid doesn't envision him coming off the field often. So the statement is very relevant, of course.

As for performance, obviously a player who doesn't perform will lose snaps.

Regardless, Reid, Bieniemy, and Veach's assessment of Damien has already been abundantly made clear through last season's usage (i.e. the playoff games), statements to the press, and off-season actions.

It seems to me like Reid, Bieniemy, and Veach could come together before the press and sing a song in unison with the lyrics "Damien Williams will be our feature-back to start the year and we have confidence he'll excel in that role" and some people would still contort their minds to question what they're saying.

[Cameron Giles]

Does Reid need to say he's doing a good job? There's tape from last season that says more than enough.

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

I’ve decided to hold at this point. I finally got some ok offers but not quite enough to change my mind...

Get: Kittle and Latavius Murray
Give: Damien, Boyd, Jaylen Samuels

That's crazy cheap for Kittle, and I like Williams a lot. I'd accept that very quickly.

[FantasyFreak]

50 pages on this guy. Wow. I think the arguments on either side have been exhausted for a while. We really need some football.

[Orenthal Shames]

50 pages on this guy. Wow. I think the arguments on either side have been exhausted for a while. We really need some football.

Same goes for the Tyreek Hill and multiple Gurley/Henderson threads

[ArrylT]

They say in small town communities that a major event will be talked about ad nauseum afterwords for weeks if not months. If we were to consider the DLF Forums a small community (our population probably resembles a small town in size) the events around Gurley, Williams, Hunt & Hill would be considered major.

Certainly not disagreeing that we have spent plenty of threads/time discussing these players - but that is a correlation (imho) to how valuable the potential change or non-change will have on most dynasty leagues. Obviously if these issues had happened to Malcolm Brown, Dontrell Hilliard &/or Demarcus Robinson there would be much less chatter, because no one really cares in a small town if you stub your toe, but if you happen to be seen sneaking around with the pastors wife ....

[Orenthal Shames]

If you happen to be seen sneaking around with the pastors wife ....

Wait, wait, wait... What'd you see? Who you been talking to?

[Jigga94]

I’ve decided to hold at this point. I finally got some ok offers but not quite enough to change my mind...

Get: Kittle and Latavius Murray
Give: Damien, Boyd, Jaylen Samuels

That's crazy cheap for Kittle, and I like Williams a lot. I'd accept that very quickly.

x2

[ninotoreS]

Moreso than Williams, I wonder if y'all are undervaluing Boyd. This isn't a Boyd thread, though, so nevermind.

[FantasyDumDum]

Just a few comparative numbers from the players as starters last year in KC.

Yards created per carry:
D Williams 1.67
Hunt 1.57

YPC against stacked boxes:
D Williams 6.6[elite tier]
Hunt 2.3

TDs:
D Williams 1.67/game[elite tier]
Hunt 0.9/game

DYAR:
D Williams 26.3 per game[elite tier]
Hunt 11.9 per game

DVOA:
D Williams 26.5%[elite tier]
Hunt 8.7%

Fantasy points per touch(0.5 PPR):
D Williams 1.35[elite tier]
K Hunt 0.99
[ even as a Dolphin D Williams was much better than Hunt as a Chief, averaging 1.19 points per touch]

Fantasy points per game(0.5ppr):
D Williams 22.9(including 2 games where he only played 1/2)[elite tier]
Hunt 19.7(played entirety of all 11 games)

Playoff output:
2018 D Williams(2 Games)
35 carries, 159 yards, 2 TDs
10 receptions, 91 yards, 2 TDs
2017 Hunt(1 Game)
11 carries, 42 yards, 1 TD
3 receptions, 5 yards, 0TD



D Williams absolutely carried the entire KC team on his back in the playoffs. His stats are above, and they are pretty much equal to the ENTIRE rest of his offensive squad in the playoffs COMBINED, including Mahomes, Tyreek, Kelce, Watkins, Ware, other D Williams:
10 carries, 52 yards, 3 TDs
33 receptions, 411 yards, 1 TD

If Mahomes hadn’t grossly overthrown a wide open Williams in the end zone against NE then he would have had his 4th TD of the game and the Chiefs would have been in the SB.

Compare that to Hunt in 2017, with his above pedestrian numbers, and the Chiefs losing to the lowly Titans in the playoffs.



One last point, to show Williams’ worth overall, is that he is a much, MUCH better pass blocker than Hunt. In fact, D Williams led the league in pass blocking metrics for an RB last year, allowing 0 pressures on a whopping 22 opportunities over his small sample size(whopping because many RBs aren’t even asked to pick up that many times over an entire season). That is “[elite tier]” as well. Hunt came into the league majorly struggling at pass blocking, but improved to an acceptable level, although would/will likely never be at the elite level that D Williams is at now.


[elite tier] equals roughly top 5 RBs in the NFL or better

So I have to ask, if people really believe D Williams is a journeyman/JAG, then 1) is Hunt basically worse than a journeyman/JAG in the league? Or 2) is that just a lazy and stupid way to label a player like D Williams?

[killer_of_giants]

[ even as a Dolphin D Williams was much better than Hunt as a Chief, averaging 1.19 points per touch]

given he had a higher ratio of receptions to carries than hunt, that's hardly surprising giving the 0.5 ppr format.
low volume backs have also generally better stats than workhorses.

Compare that to Hunt in 2017, with his above pedestrian numbers, and the Chiefs losing to the lowly Titans in the playoffs.

pretty sure that has nothing to do with who the quarterback was...

One last point, to show Williams’ worth overall, is that he is a much, MUCH better pass blocker than Hunt.

meh. he's no frank gore.



last but not least, he's started 3 games for the chiefs, that's what all your stats are based on.

still a jag. try harder.

[hockeyBjj]

Sample sizes. How do they work?

[dynastyninja]

I don't really think either guy is that special. It's the situation.