2019 Bad Trade Offers

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby snaps06 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:05 pm

Mephistopheles wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:19 am
3 offers from the same guy. All 12 team SF PPR

#1 - I give CMC, I get Ekeler, RSJ (this was sent before MG3's holdout FWIW). I think this may be the worst trade offer I have ever seen.
#2 - I Give D. Watson, K. Hunt, Damien Williams, Engram, I get Josh Allen, Ekeler, A-Rob, J. Graham, pick 1.12 (wouldn't give Watson for this, let alone add)
#3 - Give K. Hunt get Ekeler, pick 4.12

I guess the guy really likes Ekeler. I don't.
I would guess the guy doesn't really like Ekeler, hence why he's trying to get rid of him. All he onwer is trying to do is sell Ekeler at the highest price he will ever be in his entire career.

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:36 pm

whodunnit wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:01 pm
Mjvb5 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:47 am
whodunnit wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:48 am


Rookie draft
I'd say that's a great offer in a rookie draft.
Ya got Murray and Jacobs as the typical 1 and 2 then a slight drop to monty, sanders, harry, and haskins in most peoples eyes
Its a horrible offer. Especially in a rookie draft. Adding a 2nd to move up one spot in a draft as wide open as this one?

It's trash.

The top 3 rb and top 2 qb are in the same tier for me.
its not a bad offer. your personal views of not caring to be at spot 2 or spot 5 doesnt matter. totally legit offer
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
J Allen , Herbert, Rivers
Kamara, B Hill, Akers,McNichols, Dillon, Cohen, McCoy
K Allen, Hopkins,McLaurin, AROB M Williams,MVS
Ebron Graham, Njoku, Irv

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Teddy B, Dak
Chubb,Mixon, D Henry,Coleman, D Harris, Burkhead, Mostert, wilson jr
Hopkins, K Allen, M Evans,AROB, C Davis, Watkins, Edleman, Higgins
Ertz, Gronk, Fant, everett, albert o


team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Baker, Wentz, Foles, K Allen
Kamara, Henry, Chubb, Bell, Murray, Coleman
M Thomas, K Allen, M Evans, JuJu, Cooper, Watkins
Hurst, Gronk, Ebron, Everett
Payne/Onyemata
Campbell, Ogbah, J Allen, Clowney, Armstead
Martinez, J Smith, Z Smith, Jack, Judon, C Jones (IR)
Alexander, Dean, Ward
Edmonds, Harris, Joseph, Delpit (IR)

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby Mjvb5 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:58 pm

BigBawseRoss wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:36 pm
whodunnit wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:01 pm
Mjvb5 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:47 am

I'd say that's a great offer in a rookie draft.
Ya got Murray and Jacobs as the typical 1 and 2 then a slight drop to monty, sanders, harry, and haskins in most peoples eyes
Its a horrible offer. Especially in a rookie draft. Adding a 2nd to move up one spot in a draft as wide open as this one?

It's trash.

The top 3 rb and top 2 qb are in the same tier for me.
its not a bad offer. your personal views of not caring to be at spot 2 or spot 5 doesnt matter. totally legit offer
Yup if I got offered cook for my gurley its an insta reject to me and is no where near my values. But it’s fair my consensus value

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby smbkrypt24 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:37 am

I got offered:
M. Hardman
2020 2nd
2020 2nd
For
J. Kumerow
(3) 2020 1sts

I probably wouldn’t post it here as I like most trade offers and think we all can place values differently on players, but it came with the comments of:
“the next tyreek hill and value gonna go higher and higher. 2 touches in preseason both tds and hill free agent end of year. give you 2 seconds for first and want the other two for him but may regret but gotta gamble”
12 Team PPR Dynasty. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 K, 1 D, 20 roster spots.

2013 Startup
Team 1- Back to back champ in ‘19 and ‘20
QB: Herbert, Darnold, Luck
RB: Elliott, Cook, Barkley, Mack, Cohen, Guice
WR: T. Hill, AJB, Di. Johnson, AB, Lazard, G. Davis, Guyton
TE: Andrews, Gronk
Kicker: Crosby
Def: Rams

2021: 3.04
2022: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3

2019 Startup
Team 2- 4th in 2020
QB: Roethlisberger, Winston
RB: Mixon, Hunt, D. Williams, Gaskin, Mack, Edmonds, Guice
WR: T. Hill, JuJu, OBJ, M. Brown, Shepard, C. Samuel, Guyton
TE: Ebron, Trautman
Kicker: Blankenship
Def: WFT

2021: 1.01, 1.04, 1.11
2022: 1, 1, 3

2021 Startup
Team 3
QB: Wentz, Winston
RB: Elliott, J. Conner, Da. Johnson, Vaughn, Guice
WR: J. Jefferson, Claypool, D. Johnson, D. Samuel, Campbell, Coutee
TE: Kittle, Cox, Trautman
Kicker: Myers
Def: Chargers

2021: none
2022: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby sugbear65 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:50 am

I wonder how many people that posted on here would blush if we were able to look into their own sent trades history? Like mentioned earlier, maybe 10% of these are actually bad offers. The rest of them are called opening offers. I also wonder how many people lost a good trade because of thin skin; they got offended and shut down instead of pursuing talks that could have ended productively?

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby TheNuts » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:53 am

sugbear65 wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:50 am
I wonder how many people that posted on here would blush if we were able to look into their own sent trades history? Like mentioned earlier, maybe 10% of these are actually bad offers. The rest of them are called opening offers. I also wonder how many people lost a good trade because of thin skin; they got offended and shut down instead of pursuing talks that could have ended productively?
Agree. I make offers that aren't great, but I also make offers that people hit accept so fast their head spins and the entire league was like why did you offer that?
12 team ppr 4 point pass td

Murray, Minshew
Singletary, Lindsay, Samuels, Ty Johnson
Chark, Arob, Woods, Diontae, Nkeal, Lazard, Conley, Cole, Dorsett
Higbee, Jarwin, Dissly
Gould, Patriots

14 team ppr superflex, .2 ppc, WR 25% ppr bonus, TE ppr bonus 75%

Mayfield, Minshew, Trubisky, Foles, Hill
Djohns, Singletary, Fournette, Harris, Armstead, Ogunbawale, Samuels
Julio, Arob, Woods, Sims Jr, Claypool, Duvernay, Isabella, Conley, Tyrell
Waller, Hurst, Jarwin, Boyle

12 team ppr 4 point pass td, superflex, 1.5 TE ppr

Goff, Minshew, Hill, Alllen, Walker
Chubb, Taylor, Henry, Singletary, David Johnson, Damien Harris, Hyde, Boone, Blasingame
Tyreek, Boyd, Diontae, Marvin Jones, Pittman, Nkeal, Duvernay, Sims Jr, Stills
Waller, Higbee, Arnold, Olsen, Parkinson, Sample

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Matt Ryan
Fournette, Singletary, Harris, Cohen, Duke Johnson, Trey Edmunds
Davante Adams, Tyreek, Sutton, Boyd, Dorsett, Tyrell
Kittle, Jarwin, Oliver

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby smbkrypt24 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:49 am

sugbear65 wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:50 am
I wonder how many people that posted on here would blush if we were able to look into their own sent trades history? Like mentioned earlier, maybe 10% of these are actually bad offers. The rest of them are called opening offers. I also wonder how many people lost a good trade because of thin skin; they got offended and shut down instead of pursuing talks that could have ended productively?
Generally I agree with this. I have made multiple comments about trades that don't belong in here because the trade seems really close. I will make trades that are in my favor sometimes. I do try to look at a few different measurement tools to make sure I am somewhere in the ballpark.
When I agree most of the time with trades posted it is with the overselling of the players the owner wants to give up. If I am incapable of ranking the players and adjusting with performance I shouldn't be playing this game. I don't need to hear how great a player is doing and that the value is on the rise, especially in this last case I posted a bad trade offer after a couple preseason games.
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2013 Startup
Team 1- Back to back champ in ‘19 and ‘20
QB: Herbert, Darnold, Luck
RB: Elliott, Cook, Barkley, Mack, Cohen, Guice
WR: T. Hill, AJB, Di. Johnson, AB, Lazard, G. Davis, Guyton
TE: Andrews, Gronk
Kicker: Crosby
Def: Rams

2021: 3.04
2022: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3

2019 Startup
Team 2- 4th in 2020
QB: Roethlisberger, Winston
RB: Mixon, Hunt, D. Williams, Gaskin, Mack, Edmonds, Guice
WR: T. Hill, JuJu, OBJ, M. Brown, Shepard, C. Samuel, Guyton
TE: Ebron, Trautman
Kicker: Blankenship
Def: WFT

2021: 1.01, 1.04, 1.11
2022: 1, 1, 3

2021 Startup
Team 3
QB: Wentz, Winston
RB: Elliott, J. Conner, Da. Johnson, Vaughn, Guice
WR: J. Jefferson, Claypool, D. Johnson, D. Samuel, Campbell, Coutee
TE: Kittle, Cox, Trautman
Kicker: Myers
Def: Chargers

2021: none
2022: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby IR1 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:55 am

smbkrypt24 wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:49 am
sugbear65 wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:50 am
I wonder how many people that posted on here would blush if we were able to look into their own sent trades history? Like mentioned earlier, maybe 10% of these are actually bad offers. The rest of them are called opening offers. I also wonder how many people lost a good trade because of thin skin; they got offended and shut down instead of pursuing talks that could have ended productively?
Generally I agree with this. I have made multiple comments about trades that don't belong in here because the trade seems really close. I will make trades that are in my favor sometimes. I do try to look at a few different measurement tools to make sure I am somewhere in the ballpark.
When I agree most of the time with trades posted it is with the overselling of the players the owner wants to give up. If I am incapable of ranking the players and adjusting with performance I shouldn't be playing this game. I don't need to hear how great a player is doing and that the value is on the rise, especially in this last case I posted a bad trade offer after a couple preseason games.
Agree for the most part, but some “opening offers” are so bad it’s pretty unlikely to find a common ground. Try not to get offended by any offer, so agree with the need for thick skin.
10Team PPR-QB/RB/WR/WR/TE/PK/flex-DT/DE/DE/LB/LB/LB/CB/CB/S/S/flex
QB- Wilson, Herbert
RB-Kamara, Mixon, Dobbins, Akers, DHarris
WR-Adams, Evans, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Harry
TE- Kelce, Fant, Goedert, Njoku
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, KClark
DE- JBosa, Watt, Barnett, Gross-Matos
LB- D Jones, Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner , Simmons, Evans
CB- Moore, Hill, Bradberry, Bless
S- Clark, HSmith, Johnson, Dugger
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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby ArrylT » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:19 pm

Just saw George Kittle go for 1.08 (Henderson was the pick) in a trade tonight. :think:
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby fantasyhermit » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:40 pm

I put David Johnson on the block for Team 1 in my sig the other day. RBs are highly valued in the league cause of the 0.5ppc scoring.

This started a serious of variably bad offers, but this opening one really took the cake:
Give: David Johnson
Get: Justin Jackson, Travis Homer, 2020 mid 2nd.

Also had a new guy join the league for Team 2 in my sig, and he offered:
Give: Zeke
Get: Tevin

not the worst offer in the world, but when I rejected he messaged me: "Elliot is not going to play so your screwed there,you have mahomes, trubisky,kamara and Elliot but the rest of your team sucks" which I found funny cause of who all he left out. Needless to say we didn't do business. Then he went and traded Goff for Brady straight up (SF league).
Team 1:
12 team SF PPR/2PPR TE Prem, .2 ppc
Q-SF-R-W-F-F-F-F-T-T
QB: Wilson, Cousins, Fitz, Flacco, Lock
RB: Jacobs, CEH, DJ, Dillon, Michel, Royce, Lewis, Bruce Anderson, Gus, Warren
WR: MT, Amari, Kupp, Pittman, Miller, Agholor, John Brown, Enunwa, Foster, Wilson, Preston Williams, AB
TE: Kelce, Kittle, Tonyan, Davis, Dissly, Knox, T.Moss


Team 2:
Q-SF-R-R-W-W-F-F-T-T-D-K-IDP-IDP PPR
QB: Mahomes, Darnold, Bridgewater
RB: Zeke, Kamara, Swift, Singletary, Mack, Penny, Armstead, Josh Kelly
WR: MT, DJ Moore, Slayton, Tyler Boyd, Mims, Edwards, Van Jefferson, Miller, Mike Williams, Foster, Westbrook, Preston Williams
TE: Gesicki, Hooper, Sternberger, Knox, Oliver, Moreau
Def: Chi
K: Elliot
IDP: Bosa, LVE, Flowers

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby megager » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:36 am

2020 2nd,2020 3rd and Sanu for AB84.
At least I think it's bad. Am I wrong?
Team 1
12 Team dynasty .5 PPR
QB,3WR, 2RB, 2flex, 1 TE

QB
Lamar Jackson

Ryan Tannehill, Carson Wentz, Cam Newton, Daniel Jones

RB
Dalvin Cook, Miles Sanders,
JK Dobbins , Saquon Barkley,


Alexander Mattison, Devontae Booker, Boston Scott, Jordan Howard

WR
Amari Cooper, Julio Jones Allen Robinson, ,

Tee Higgins, Robert Woods, Cooper Kupp, Russel Gage, Antonio Brown, Keelan Cole

TE Darren Waller
Gerald Everett, Dalton Schultz

2021 3.06

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:43 am

megager wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:36 am
2020 2nd,2020 3rd and Sanu for AB84.
At least I think it's bad. Am I wrong?
Bad, but a rebuilding team would probably rather have the picks lol
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - 14 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, J. Allen, Baker, D. Jones, Eason
RB: JT, Dillon, Gaskin, Mostert, Gus, Mattison, McFarland, Snell, Wilson, McKissic, Darrel
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Jeudy, Hollywood, Cooks, Mims, Hardman, Preston, Parris
TE: Andrews, Fant, Henry
2021: 1.10, 2, 3, 4, 5.08, 5.10, 6, 7, 9, 10

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - 20 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, Ryan, Minshew, Mariota, Trub
RB: Saquon, Dobbins, Jacobs, Hunt, Penny, Snell
WR: AJB, DJM, Chark, C. Davis, C. Samuel, Ruggs, Hardman, Mike Will, G. Davis, Mooney, Lazard, J. Washington
TE: Andrews, Henry, Irv, Gesicki, Tonyan
2021: 1.03, 2.05, 2.09, 3.05, 3.09
2022: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby dirkey » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:50 am

megager wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:36 am
2020 2nd,2020 3rd and Sanu for AB84.
At least I think it's bad. Am I wrong?
I concur with you. Even with all the uncertainty, this is way low. With your team, you can contend even without him.
12 Team, 25-man Roster (2 IR), Half point PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE).

QB: Wilson, Tua, Bridgewater.
RB: McCaffrey, Chubb, Bernard, Mack, Ballage, Edwards, Hines, Darrel Williams.
WR: Hopkins, JuJu, Moore, Chark, Parker, Gallup, Landry, Bowden, Shepard.
TE: Ebron, Higbee, Herndon.

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2021: 1.10, 1.11, 2.07
2022: 1st, 2nd, 2nd.
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby Stevens61310 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:42 pm

A thread with the words "bad trade offers" in the title always amuses me and takes me back to when ESPN had a fantasy forum where we were able to go and have opinions much like we are doing here on DLF. One frequent poster stated (and I am paraphrasing here--because it has been years since the forum was up and active)--there are no bad trades only trades that appear to be bad. And I have always thought that was probably the most profound thing I had read in a fantasy football forum. Now I have seen some trades that in my mind were aweful but they went through and no one has complained about them. And then I have seen some trades that appear to be fair or as close as you can can get that are are just lambasted--ruthlessly and unfairly in my opinion.

Even in one of my most active leagues--with guys that have been around for awhile--we have this issue. In this particular league my team is basically an almost start from the bottom rebuild--and I made a trade. A trade that even as I look at it today still appears to be very even and practical trade. And i got unmercifully torched and berated--for days. Not too long after this-- another trade was completed and I didn't like the one side at all--. But -- lo and behold -- the owner most vocal about how poorly I had done with my trade was was very effusive in his praise of what i considered the losing side the just completed trade. Moral of the story? One simply doesn't know how each and every owner values players , picks, team structure, etc.

Even in this very thread I have seen trades posted that weren't bad. Maybe not something I would have done--but not bad per se--. I will always be drawn to threads like this --like a moth a lightbulb--

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:05 pm

Give Jacobs and 2020 2nd (projected 2.01.)

Get Christian Kirk


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