Kareem Hunt Live Interview

[steelman]

Where I live that video would have resulted in automatic criminal charges against Hunt. There wouldn't have been any officer discretion permitted.

I've seen more actual damage done in a playground fight between 10-year-olds.

Agreed, but is that really the point? The law is pretty clear when it comes to assault

[Vcize]

Where I live that video would have resulted in automatic criminal charges against Hunt. There wouldn't have been any officer discretion permitted.

I've seen more actual damage done in a playground fight between 10-year-olds.

Agreed, but is that really the point? The law is pretty clear when it comes to assault

The law has nothing to do with it here. If we were just worried about what is technically assault we’d need lifetime bans for Hal the nfl players because that many have probably shoved someone during an argument.

[steelman]

I've seen more actual damage done in a playground fight between 10-year-olds.

Agreed, but is that really the point? The law is pretty clear when it comes to assault

The law has nothing to do with it here. If we were just worried about what is technically assault we’d need lifetime bans for Hal the nfl players because that many have probably shoved someone during an argument.

Oh I agree, but the post of mine you quoted was only about criminal charges being laid in a case like this. As I said, if he wasn't an NFL player I believe he would have been charged and convicted

[Friction]

Keep it consistent. Both Hunt and the woman should be charged with assault. Though the video does not seem long enough to truly know who physically threw the first "punch". Cant hit somebody just because they call you a racial slur and cant attack someone if they kick you out of the room. Even if it does not align with your morals.

[thebeast]

Where I live that video would have resulted in automatic criminal charges against Hunt. There wouldn't have been any officer discretion permitted.

I've seen more actual damage done in a playground fight between 10-year-olds.

If you randomly try and shoot someone and miss, but still get caught you will be charged with attempted murder despite no damage being done.

[remedy29]

I never understand when people do the whole “In my job I would be immediately fired if I did that” argument.

Seriously? What kind of job do you have? Unless you yourself are a pro athlete, or in politics, or have some celebrity status, I highly doubt most of you who argue that actually would lose your job or sustain any punishment from your employer.

In most cases, why would your employer even find out?

One exception would be in the case of DUIs, if you have a job that requires a CDL or something. But in most cases, an employer has little to no knowledge of your off-work vices/activities, nor would they get involved if they were made aware of them.

Current job your probably correct ... but good luck getting a new job & passing a background check with a felony or serious misdemeanor on your record.

Serious misdemeanor? Now that's funny.

[Valhalla]

Yeah that was a bust of an interview. When you request the interview and she asks you why, why would you not have a well thought out prepared statement? He didn't look great, the video is awful, he is a POS human being it sounds like, however I'm still disappointed my Chiefs cut him. Call me a terrible person.

You're a terrible person.

[darewood11]

Yeah that was a bust of an interview. When you request the interview and she asks you why, why would you not have a well thought out prepared statement? He didn't look great, the video is awful, he is a POS human being it sounds like, however I'm still disappointed my Chiefs cut him. Call me a terrible person.

So he didnt rehearse a statement prepared by his team of reps and thats bad? As a person who has been on the wrong side of the law and made a ton of mistakes everyone deserves a second chance and should be allowed to change themselves. I don't see where its any of our places to judge him. He made a mistake and i do not condone his actions at all but to toss a 23 year old away without looking back i think is ridiculous. Suspend him and then allow him to make it right and improve himself.

[darewood11]

I never understand when people do the whole “In my job I would be immediately fired if I did that” argument.

Seriously? What kind of job do you have? Unless you yourself are a pro athlete, or in politics, or have some celebrity status, I highly doubt most of you who argue that actually would lose your job or sustain any punishment from your employer.

In most cases, why would your employer even find out?

One exception would be in the case of DUIs, if you have a job that requires a CDL or something. But in most cases, an employer has little to no knowledge of your off-work vices/activities, nor would they get involved if they were made aware of them.

Current job your probably correct ... but good luck getting a new job & passing a background check with a felony or serious misdemeanor on your record.

When i was his age i collected a nice long list of criminal history and sinve then have cleaned up my life. Young people make mistakes.

[thebeast]

I never understand when people do the whole “In my job I would be immediately fired if I did that” argument.

Seriously? What kind of job do you have? Unless you yourself are a pro athlete, or in politics, or have some celebrity status, I highly doubt most of you who argue that actually would lose your job or sustain any punishment from your employer.

In most cases, why would your employer even find out?

One exception would be in the case of DUIs, if you have a job that requires a CDL or something. But in most cases, an employer has little to no knowledge of your off-work vices/activities, nor would they get involved if they were made aware of them.

Current job your probably correct ... but good luck getting a new job & passing a background check with a felony or serious misdemeanor on your record.

When i was his age i collected a nice long list of criminal history and sinve then have cleaned up my life. Young people make mistakes.

You don't get a second chance for certain things. For example, if you're a sex offender, that follows you around your entire life and one "mistake" in that way greatly restricts your opportunities going forward.

And something I have been troubled by in this and other threads is the use of the word mistake. Hunt's actions were not a mistake, he made a choice. A mistake only happens when someone is trying to do something but fails, a fumble is a mistake, dropping a glass is a mistake, arriving at the wrong answer when trying to solve a math problem is a mistake - attacking another person is a decision, not a mistake. He made a choice and choices have consequences. It may have been impulsive and emotional, but it was a choice nonetheless and with everything that has happened over the past few years I have no problem with him never being able to play another down in the nfl due to that choice. I like your story and I hope Hunt also cleans up his life, but perhaps it has to be outside of the NFL. He doesn't have to be a professional football player to have a meaningful life and turn things around.

[Pullo Vision]

And something I have been troubled by in this and other threads is the use of the word mistake. Hunt's actions were not a mistake he made they were a choice. A mistake only happens when someone is trying to do something but fails, for example, a fumble is a mistake, dropping a glass is a mistake, arriving at the wrong answer when trying to solve a math problem is a mistake. What happened here was a choice that Hunt made. It may have been impulsive and emotional, but it was a choice nonetheless and with everything that has happened over the past few years I have no problem with him never being able to play another down in the nfl due to that choice. I like your story and I hope Hunt also cleans up his life, but perhaps it has to be outside of the NFL. He doesn't have to be a professional football player to have a meaningful life and turn things around.

When explaining a mistake, you had me until the underlined. The first two examples are failures in physical activity, but the third is a failure in thought process and comprehension. Similarly, you could say Hunt's actions were based on a failure of thought process, driven by emotion and having physical outputs. He can still look back and realize the error in his thought process (like answering a math problem) yielded results he now recognizes are undesirable and the process was flawed, or a mistake.

[Kelldon]

I will first admit that I do own Hunt in 1 league, but do not in any way condone what he did. It was very wrong. I have read many but have not read every post on this site about this incident. In regards to him being banned from NFL I disagree with that. I think he should get at least half a season to a full season. After that if he has taken courses(anger management, domestic abuse, etc.) and the league feels he has changed for the better than he should be given another chance.
I don't think he should get a lifetime ban. He went through college and worked to become a professional football player. If a person who went to school to become a dentist did the same thing would he or should he lose his dentist license amd never be allowed to be a dentist again? Same for other professions. Yes that person might get fired from that dentist office but I highly doubt they would lose their license and right to ever be a dentist for the rest of their life. I know a lot of times people view playing sports as a privaledge, but there was a lot of time, effort, hard work, and sacrifices that went into to reaching that level.

[hockeyBjj]

Another vid unearthed by TMZ showing hunt being held back after a bar fight

He seems to have a serious problem of looking for a fight/getting violent after drinking

He also has A+ friends who do their best to save him in these situations, but can't save a guy from himself

[thebeast]

And something I have been troubled by in this and other threads is the use of the word mistake. Hunt's actions were not a mistake he made they were a choice. A mistake only happens when someone is trying to do something but fails, for example, a fumble is a mistake, dropping a glass is a mistake, arriving at the wrong answer when trying to solve a math problem is a mistake. What happened here was a choice that Hunt made. It may have been impulsive and emotional, but it was a choice nonetheless and with everything that has happened over the past few years I have no problem with him never being able to play another down in the nfl due to that choice. I like your story and I hope Hunt also cleans up his life, but perhaps it has to be outside of the NFL. He doesn't have to be a professional football player to have a meaningful life and turn things around.

When explaining a mistake, you had me until the underlined. The first two examples are failures in physical activity, but the third is a failure in thought process and comprehension. Similarly, you could say Hunt's actions were based on a failure of thought process, driven by emotion and having physical outputs. He can still look back and realize the error in his thought process (like answering a math problem) yielded results he now recognizes are undesirable and the process was flawed, or a mistake.

The process behind a rounding error and hitting a woman or any person for that matter do not equate.

[izekial]

i dont really care if the people i watch smash into each other and literally risk broken bones on a routine basis are "good people." I also dont think the NFL, or any sports league, needs to be the morality police.

Hunt's actions clearly show an out of control man going after a young woman. his friends mostly succeeded in restraining him, thankfully.

charges likely should have been pressed. for whatever reason they werent. thats the real issue this video should be confronting and bringing to bare, not something so trivial as to whether the dude should be able to play football again. but the NFL generates more hits than attacking the police department, so TMZ angled it to question the NFL. everything else is just the NFL covering their rear and waiting two weeks for this to blow over, like every other similar case