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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:41 pm

Bot101 wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:38 pm Couple questions.
1 are they still on the hook for Romo and Dez contracts this year?

2 will they still be on the hook for Tyron Smith when Zeke is up for his 2nd contract?
1. No.

2. Yes, and Smith is one of the best LT's in the league so there's really no chance he's let go.

Basically, after this upcoming offseason Dallas should have significant money tied up in Prescott, Cooper, Smith, Frederick and Martin. It might be hard to pay an RB elite money on top of that.

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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby Bot101 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:55 pm

Well hes getting more and more banged up. I doubt hes still playing at this level 2 years from now.

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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:57 pm

Bot101 wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:55 pm Well hes getting more and more banged up. I doubt hes still playing at this level 2 years from now.
It would probably not be smart to make your offensive line worse so that you can pay an RB. It's backwards to say the least.

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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby ArrylT » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:59 pm

If Zeke holds out in 2019 or 2020 or moves on in FA (like Murray did) we can give credit to Cameron Giles for thinking far ahead like this. :)
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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby PR0v3 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:03 pm

It's definitely the smart thing to do for the team.
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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby KCLep20 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:05 pm

He absolutely should hold out if he doesn’t get a Gurley deal. Zeke is what drives this offense, not Dak and not Amari, to think otherwise is foolish. We have seen this O without Zeke and it ain’t pretty...
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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby nathanq42 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:27 pm

Jerry Jones doesn't care about winning. He cares about sales. And keeping Zeke will keep the money rolling. Even if it means sacrificing the rest of the team. Plus Zeke is their whole offense. Dak without Zeke is nothing
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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby Krypto_King » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:45 pm

KCLep20 wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:05 pm He absolutely should hold out if he doesn’t get a Gurley deal. Zeke is what drives this offense, not Dak and not Amari, to think otherwise is foolish. We have seen this O without Zeke and it ain’t pretty...
It's pretty unwatchable with him as well.

This site that covers football professionally missed the obvious part how Zeke is already making elite RB money so they really won't need to find many more coins in the cushions to give him a 2nd deal. fake news

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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby ArrylT » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:12 pm

He is definitely making close to the best rookie $ possible since rookie contracts are set by the position drafted, and he went 4th. However he is definitely not making what Gurley, DJ & Devonta Freeman are making & his average salary per year is less than Lamar Millers.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/
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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby C_n_red_again » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:42 am

I know this sounds blasphemous and goes against the mantra of the qb is the most important position on the field but in this instance I think dak is closer to a replacement level qb than zeke is at Rb. Imo I’d keep zeke
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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby CK_ » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:52 am

This does not compare at all to the Romo, Dez, and Murray situation....

Murray was a 3rd round pick that was constantly banged up. Zeke is already in the running to be one of the best RBs of all time.

A much better comparison is how they handled the triplets. How did they handle Aikman, Irvin, and Smith? That is a much fairer comparison than this business of Murray.

Why do you think they dropped Dez and Bailey? They have been preparing for this instance for the past couple of years... they know they will have to pay Elliot and damn right they will.
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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby ravn88 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:56 am

C_n_red_again wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:42 am I know this sounds blasphemous and goes against the mantra of the qb is the most important position on the field but in this instance I think dak is closer to a replacement level qb than zeke is at Rb. Imo I’d keep zeke
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I've thought About this many times. Why do every team rather have an mediocre Overpaid QB Than a team that works.

QB's like A. Smith, Derek Carr and especially J. Flacco.
I've never seen him as 20 mil a Season guy, even after his only good Season Where they went to the SB.

What About Zeke 5th year option ?
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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:11 am

CK_ wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:52 am This does not compare at all to the Romo, Dez, and Murray situation....

Murray was a 3rd round pick that was constantly banged up. Zeke is already in the running to be one of the best RBs of all time.

A much better comparison is how they handled the triplets. How did they handle Aikman, Irvin, and Smith? That is a much fairer comparison than this business of Murray.

Why do you think they dropped Dez and Bailey? They have been preparing for this instance for the past couple of years... they know they will have to pay Elliot and damn right they will.
Possibly so, but they didn't know they were going to get Amari Cooper when that happened. He's the wrench in this scenario, because they're definitely going to retain him. Zeke has the disadvantage of his contract not expiring before theirs.

It's difficult to compare salary situations of 20+ years ago to now. So, I avoided the Irvin, Aikman, Smith comparison. For example, Smith's second contract was 4 years, $14 million. His 3rd was 7 years, $40 million.

I don't really know what's going to happen, but it would seem logical for Zeke to want a new deal this off-season despite the 5th year that will be picked up.

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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby CK_ » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:48 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:11 am
CK_ wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:52 am This does not compare at all to the Romo, Dez, and Murray situation....

Murray was a 3rd round pick that was constantly banged up. Zeke is already in the running to be one of the best RBs of all time.

A much better comparison is how they handled the triplets. How did they handle Aikman, Irvin, and Smith? That is a much fairer comparison than this business of Murray.

Why do you think they dropped Dez and Bailey? They have been preparing for this instance for the past couple of years... they know they will have to pay Elliot and damn right they will.
Possibly so, but they didn't know they were going to get Amari Cooper when that happened. He's the wrench in this scenario, because they're definitely going to retain him. Zeke has the disadvantage of his contract not expiring before theirs.

It's difficult to compare salary situations of 20+ years ago to now. So, I avoided the Irvin, Aikman, Smith comparison. For example, Smith's second contract was 4 years, $14 million. His 3rd was 7 years, $40 million.

I don't really know what's going to happen, but it would seem logical for Zeke to want a new deal this off-season despite the 5th year that will be picked up.
That’s fair. I can understand the mindset with Amari Cooper involved.
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Re: Zeke: The Next Le'Veon Situation?

Postby Ice » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:42 am

nathanq42 wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:27 pm Jerry Jones doesn't care about winning. He cares about sales. And keeping Zeke will keep the money rolling. Even if it means sacrificing the rest of the team. Plus Zeke is their whole offense. Dak without Zeke is nothing
Jerry Jones is all about winning. That's just a ridiculous comment. As far as Zeke is concerned. Jones is certainly not cheap. Zeke will get his money.

Dallas will have around 78 million in cap in 2019 including roll over from this season which is around 6 Million. The cap should also increase next season. They have been managing their cap very well to pay their stars.

Expect them to pay, Lawrence, and Cooper for sure next season and probably Dak. Fortunately for Dallas they have a very young defense that is good and not killing their cap today. The only big name player to worry about is Lawrence. Dallas was very smart to already get Zack Martin under contract and have already restructured Travis Fredrrick's contract so the line will be intact.

Releasing Bryant actually saved them 16.5 million in 2019 which will be used for Cooper is my guess. Additionally, they have 42 players already under contract for 2019.

I would not be worried about Dallas's cap or contract situation for a few years.

Zeke and Dak are both already under contract next season. The Cowboys also have a 5th year option on Zeke for 2020 which they will likely exercise next season and renegotiate his deal sometime next season or next off-season.
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