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IZigUZag wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:59 pm So Mariota rebounded at every lvl this Sunday vs the Falcons.

Looked confident, pocket awareness, ball placement and accuracy were pretty much perfect all game and finally got the TEN WR's involved in the passing game.

I am by no means saying that he's turned the corner -- he's had stretches of excellent play only to fall back into mediocrity before-- but it was encouraging to see that he hasn't completely regressed into a 3rd string QB.

And despite 3 out of these 4 games being some of the worst play I've ever seen out of him, he currently sits as the #8 fantasy QB on the season.

The TEN receiving core that's been holding him back his entire career suddenly looks like one of the better cores in the NFL with the emergence of AJB; and he might just be the beneficiary of that.

dizzler wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:30 pm [

Looked pretty good week 1 against the Browns also so I'd say 2 games out of the 4 being the worst..

Mariota has always seemed to play well against NFC teams fwiw. Also made the move to rookie Nate Davis at RG over Jamil Douglas in which seemed to be a good move for production. The protection was huge for Mariota Sunday. Last week 9 sacks on 19 pressures and then 0 sacks allowed against the Falcons. Not many Qb's can succeed with that much pressure in your face all game in which they came into this weeks game allowing 17 sacks on the year ( average roughly 6 per game).

For all the "switch to Tannehill" guys out there, what does Tannehill do better than Mariota? I can answer that... absolutely nothing. Comparing those two is like comparing Brand name food to Great value brand. Mariota is a faster-yet slightly-better version of Tannehill and the same problems will exist no matter who is under center. Trust me as a Titans fan, it's very easy to yell at the TV.. " FIRE THE QB". but there's much more underlying issues on that offense than just the Qb. Starting with the O-line consistency.

dizzler wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:30 pm

IZigUZag wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:59 pm So Mariota rebounded at every lvl this Sunday vs the Falcons.

Looked confident, pocket awareness, ball placement and accuracy were pretty much perfect all game and finally got the TEN WR's involved in the passing game.

I am by no means saying that he's turned the corner -- he's had stretches of excellent play only to fall back into mediocrity before-- but it was encouraging to see that he hasn't completely regressed into a 3rd string QB.

And despite 3 out of these 4 games being some of the worst play I've ever seen out of him, he currently sits as the #8 fantasy QB on the season.

The TEN receiving core that's been holding him back his entire career suddenly looks like one of the better cores in the NFL with the emergence of AJB; and he might just be the beneficiary of that.

Looked pretty good week 1 against the Browns also so I'd say 2 games out of the 4 being the worst..

Mariota has always seemed to play well against NFC teams fwiw. Also made the move to rookie Nate Davis at RG over Jamil Douglas in which seemed to be a good move for production. The protection was huge for Mariota Sunday. Last week 9 sacks on 19 pressures and then 0 sacks allowed against the Falcons. Not many Qb's can succeed with that much pressure in your face all game in which they came into this weeks game allowing 17 sacks on the year ( average roughly 6 per game).

For all the "switch to Tannehill" guys out there, what does Tannehill do better than Mariota? I can answer that... absolutely nothing. Comparing those two is like comparing Brand name food to Great value brand. Mariota is a faster-yet slightly-better version of Tannehill and the same problems will exist no matter who is under center. Trust me as a Titans fan, it's very easy to yell at the TV.. " FIRE THE QB". but there's much more underlying issues on that offense than just the Qb. Starting with the O-line consistency.

dizzler wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:30 pm

Looked pretty good week 1 against the Browns also so I'd say 2 games out of the 4 being the worst..

Mariota has always seemed to play well against NFC teams fwiw. Also made the move to rookie Nate Davis at RG over Jamil Douglas in which seemed to be a good move for production. The protection was huge for Mariota Sunday. Last week 9 sacks on 19 pressures and then 0 sacks allowed against the Falcons. Not many Qb's can succeed with that much pressure in your face all game in which they came into this weeks game allowing 17 sacks on the year ( average roughly 6 per game).

For all the "switch to Tannehill" guys out there, what does Tannehill do better than Mariota? I can answer that... absolutely nothing. Comparing those two is like comparing Brand name food to Great value brand. Mariota is a faster-yet slightly-better version of Tannehill and the same problems will exist no matter who is under center. Trust me as a Titans fan, it's very easy to yell at the TV.. " FIRE THE QB". but there's much more underlying issues on that offense than just the Qb. Starting with the O-line consistency.

djeternal2 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:51 am

dizzler wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:30 pm

Looked pretty good week 1 against the Browns also so I'd say 2 games out of the 4 being the worst..

Mariota has always seemed to play well against NFC teams fwiw. Also made the move to rookie Nate Davis at RG over Jamil Douglas in which seemed to be a good move for production. The protection was huge for Mariota Sunday. Last week 9 sacks on 19 pressures and then 0 sacks allowed against the Falcons. Not many Qb's can succeed with that much pressure in your face all game in which they came into this weeks game allowing 17 sacks on the year ( average roughly 6 per game).

For all the "switch to Tannehill" guys out there, what does Tannehill do better than Mariota? I can answer that... absolutely nothing. Comparing those two is like comparing Brand name food to Great value brand. Mariota is a faster-yet slightly-better version of Tannehill and the same problems will exist no matter who is under center. Trust me as a Titans fan, it's very easy to yell at the TV.. " FIRE THE QB". but there's much more underlying issues on that offense than just the Qb. Starting with the O-line consistency.

A couple things here. First off the Falcons D is abysmal. So I'm not surprised the OL held up better this week compared to previous weeks. Secondly what does Tanny do better than Mariota? Pass the ball which is the main job for a QB unless you are a running QB then it could be argued running the ball is first. Tanny has 2 seasons of 4k+ passing yards and a third that was just shy. Mariota's best year was 3400 in 2016. Tanny has also thrown for 24+ TDs 3 times. Mariota again has done it once in 2016. You can argue all you want about injuries for Mariota but the best ability is availability and when available Tanny has outproduced Mariota.

DLF3000 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:45 am Sorry, can't do this anymore. This up-and-horribly-down Titans passing game will drive you insane.

I drafted Mariota (traded away last year) and Davis (can't quit him, can't trade him), so I feel qualified... and need therapy.

djeternal2 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:51 am

dizzler wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:30 pm

Looked pretty good week 1 against the Browns also so I'd say 2 games out of the 4 being the worst..

Mariota has always seemed to play well against NFC teams fwiw. Also made the move to rookie Nate Davis at RG over Jamil Douglas in which seemed to be a good move for production. The protection was huge for Mariota Sunday. Last week 9 sacks on 19 pressures and then 0 sacks allowed against the Falcons. Not many Qb's can succeed with that much pressure in your face all game in which they came into this weeks game allowing 17 sacks on the year ( average roughly 6 per game).

For all the "switch to Tannehill" guys out there, what does Tannehill do better than Mariota? I can answer that... absolutely nothing. Comparing those two is like comparing Brand name food to Great value brand. Mariota is a faster-yet slightly-better version of Tannehill and the same problems will exist no matter who is under center. Trust me as a Titans fan, it's very easy to yell at the TV.. " FIRE THE QB". but there's much more underlying issues on that offense than just the Qb. Starting with the O-line consistency.

A couple things here. First off the Falcons D is abysmal. So I'm not surprised the OL held up better this week compared to previous weeks. Secondly what does Tanny do better than Mariota? Pass the ball which is the main job for a QB unless you are a running QB then it could be argued running the ball is first. Tanny has 2 seasons of 4k+ passing yards and a third that was just shy. Mariota's best year was 3400 in 2016. Tanny has also thrown for 24+ TDs 3 times. Mariota again has done it once in 2016. You can argue all you want about injuries for Mariota but the best ability is availability and when available Tanny has outproduced Mariota.

dizzler wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:27 pm If the Titans do make the change at QB and let Mariota go, I wouldn't be disappointed nor surprised and would like to see them add a rookie out of this class regardless of what direction they go in at QB.

mild wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:55 pm

dizzler wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:27 pm If the Titans do make the change at QB and let Mariota go, I wouldn't be disappointed nor surprised and would like to see them add a rookie out of this class regardless of what direction they go in at QB.

I've been thinking about this. Lets say the Titans finish as a 1-and-done wildcard and have... sayyyy... pick #20 overall. (I think that's about the ceiling of their potential success this season)

With the amount of teams that now have "their guy" - is it likely that someone highly touted (obviously not Tua) could fall to them at that spot? And would it be someone that presents a clear-and-immediate upgrade over MM? (ie. Pro ready - I need to start looking at 2020 mock drafts I guess)

Regarding Mariota... I would just love to see what happens if he was put in a system he was allowed to learn for more than 1 year. Just about nothing has gone right for him since being drafted - coach, scheme, health, weapons - it's all been terrible. To think that this is probably the best situation he's been in so far is pretty damning.

IZigUZag wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:16 pm I don't have much faith in any QB that finds themselves in TEN. This franchise is just terrible at developing QBs.

Mariota's career there has been a text book "how to" on what not to do with a young QB:

1) Force your QB to adhere to your offense rather than play to his strengths.
2) Revolving door of offensive coaches
3) Give a young QB coming from a completely different offense a TE Coach to develop his fundamentals.
4) Surround him with little to no receiving talent to work with

I suppose the next QB would walk into a much better situation with AJB and Corey Davis as receiving options.. but if it's a guy that needs to develop in any way he's probably screwed.

mild wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:55 pm
Regarding Mariota... I would just love to see what happens if he was put in a system he was allowed to learn for more than 1 year. Just about nothing has gone right for him since being drafted - coach, scheme, health, weapons - it's all been terrible. To think that this is probably the best situation he's been in so far is pretty damning.

jenkins.math wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:29 pm There is one major flaw with that statement. His best season was his 2nd year by far (2016). That was year 1 with Mularkey and the "Exotic Smashmouth" offense. He returned to the exact same offense in 2017, same playcaller, same weapons (but with a rookie Corey Davis now), and was awful. Absolute garbage. Why did he regress so bad the one time he walked into the same offense that he had success in? I think teams figured out his tendencies and he has been unable to counter thus far in his career...