If they’re trying to “change the culture”, bringing in AB, Burfict & Incognito is sure a funny way to go about it. You bring one of those guys in once you’ve established a solid culture and then maybe you have some hope of reining them in. It looks an awful lot like Gruden brought in a lot of guys that Mayock didn’t want and that he didn’t have the skillset to deal with.Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:36 am People here that are trying to reason that this situation is in any way the Raiders' fault as an organization are down the rabbit hole IMO. You can opine they made a bad decision to sign him in the first place. But this entire saga has been created by the player, not the organization. The helmet saga was not of the Raiders doing, nor was his foot issue. The team tried to work with him while those dramas unfolded, but even after AB's appeal was denied, and his feet were healed he continued to rail against the system.
Mayock/Gruden are at least trying to change the culture that has existed in Oakland. The fining of Brown had to be done to show that his type of behavior would not be accepted without consequence. What's the player's reaction? Complain, post a private conversation on social media (not the first time), and request his release. I'm glad the Raiders complied. Goodbye malcontent, who never showed any interest in actually playing football during his short stay with the team.
Cryogate, then Helmetgate, followed by insubordination in front of the entire team. This guy hardly even practiced at all. I question his desire to even play football at this point. I won't be shocked if we've seen the last of AB on the field.
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I'm just happy to get a reminder of Allen Iverson again.
Although I'm pretty sure practices are mandatory in the NBA too.
Although I'm pretty sure practices are mandatory in the NBA too.
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If I tell you something is mandatory, but have no leverage over you, is it mandatory? The word only has as much meaning as the leverage of the person declaring it to be so. In this situation, you seemingly had a coach who continually brushed off the absences (and also brought in several character issue guys) while the GM tried to play hardball. In a normal organization, this may work, but Gruden was perceived as the one with all the power in Oakland. Even if that wasn’t the case, they knew who AB was before they traded for and signed him to a big extension. You don’t have a couple conversations at the time of the signing and assume a guy like AB is fixed. If Mayock wanted to make this work, he should’ve known that he’d need more than a fancy title to rein in a guy like AB. He could’ve tried establishing a relationship with him early. He could’ve wrote a better contract that didn’t require such an all or nothing response before the first game was even played. He could’ve just not been a dick about missing a couple practices and let Gruden handle it.whodunnit wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:52 ambecause "mandatory" means just that... you're required to be there. Regardless of any prior success you have had. He's not above anyone else on the team. Not showing up for mandatory events is unacceptable.... or does that not register to you?ericanadian wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:50 amI’m not sure what you think adding “mandatory” in front of practice changes. It’s still practice.
Now, is AB without fault in this? No, of course not. Had he even played ball past the first game of the season, he’d have his guaranteed money and a whole lot more leverage in this. He pushed too hard too early and now he’s out $30 Million and potentially more, but I can understand why he thought he could get away with it, even if I think he’s a bit of a turd for doing it.
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Michael Irvin is the first analyst I have heard express concern about his mental health.
Re: Antonio Brown’s feets
I'm not convinced it's a mental health issue or just a celebrity surrounded by yes men. You can consider massive entitlement a mental health issue though.
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Wiretapping is very strictly enforced as illegal in California, yeah? That situation could conceivably develop into something worse.
Trading my only share of AB for Josh Jacobs back in July is looking like my best dynasty move, lol
Trading my only share of AB for Josh Jacobs back in July is looking like my best dynasty move, lol
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Any chance this guy gets signed? 5-6 teams off the bat have come out and said heck no. I assumed someone would take a chance, but I could be very wrong.
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Odds are AB is mainly at fault but it's hard to ever know what goes on behind the scenes.
They did mention on NFL Network that Raiders tried to bring Keelan Doss back and Jags offered him NFL rookie salary money to play on the practice squad and he chose to stay with the Jags. That's very interesting, imo. I don't know how often this happens and would love to hear from anyone else that might know the likelihood of it happening. Or maybe it happens all the time?
Just surprising for a guy that could suit up on Sunday's to pass the opportunity up to play on the practice squad. Sounds like something isn't right in Oakland.
They did mention on NFL Network that Raiders tried to bring Keelan Doss back and Jags offered him NFL rookie salary money to play on the practice squad and he chose to stay with the Jags. That's very interesting, imo. I don't know how often this happens and would love to hear from anyone else that might know the likelihood of it happening. Or maybe it happens all the time?
Just surprising for a guy that could suit up on Sunday's to pass the opportunity up to play on the practice squad. Sounds like something isn't right in Oakland.
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All depends on what he's willing to accept, no one is giving him $30M+ guaranteed. I think best he'll get is 1 year ~$5M then he can hit UFA next year. I think there's a good chance he retires or just sits out the year, but who really knows. I'm done with assumptions about anything to do with AB, nothing will surprise me at this point.
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Absolutely this. People are forgetting what a circus clown Brown was before he even joined the Raiders. For one of the very few times ever, I side with the Raiders on this.Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:36 am People here that are trying to reason that this situation is in any way the Raiders' fault as an organization are down the rabbit hole IMO. You can opine they made a bad decision to sign him in the first place. But this entire saga has been created by the player, not the organization. The helmet saga was not of the Raiders doing, nor was his foot issue. The team tried to work with him while those dramas unfolded, but even after AB's appeal was denied, and his feet were healed he continued to rail against the system.
Mayock/Gruden are at least trying to change the culture that has existed in Oakland. The fining of Brown had to be done to show that his type of behavior would not be accepted without consequence. What's the player's reaction? Complain, post a private conversation on social media (not the first time), and request his release. I'm glad the Raiders complied. Goodbye malcontent, who never showed any interest in actually playing football during his short stay with the team.
Cryogate, then Helmetgate, followed by insubordination in front of the entire team. This guy hardly even practiced at all. I question his desire to even play football at this point. I won't be shocked if we've seen the last of AB on the field.
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The Raiders aren't wrong in their judgments, but how they have gone about it is a complete joke. Mayock is way too proud and it is biting him in the butt. If Antonio wants to miss practice for the helmet, it is probably smarter to scold him in house than going to the media saying enough is enough. Then you fine him - obviously a known egomaniac is not going to be happy and respond lovingly. Then you have your coach saying he is misunderstood and accept his apology along with the rest of the locker room, only to send a letter to him rescinding his contract guarantees. If you were going to do this, you should have cut him directly after Wed and not tried to salvage anything. Now you make your coach look like a fool and this creates a huge rift between FO and coach. Who's running the show? One will go by the end of this because of this fiasco.
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It is on the Raiders though. Why did they think the Steelers would let a superstar go for a pair of mid round picks? Raiders haven't been able to keep three superstars happy now. Gruden & Mayock are not on the same page.Bot101 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:20 pmAbsolutely this. People are forgetting what a circus clown Brown was before he even joined the Raiders. For one of the very few times ever, I side with the Raiders on this.Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:36 am People here that are trying to reason that this situation is in any way the Raiders' fault as an organization are down the rabbit hole IMO. You can opine they made a bad decision to sign him in the first place. But this entire saga has been created by the player, not the organization. The helmet saga was not of the Raiders doing, nor was his foot issue. The team tried to work with him while those dramas unfolded, but even after AB's appeal was denied, and his feet were healed he continued to rail against the system.
Mayock/Gruden are at least trying to change the culture that has existed in Oakland. The fining of Brown had to be done to show that his type of behavior would not be accepted without consequence. What's the player's reaction? Complain, post a private conversation on social media (not the first time), and request his release. I'm glad the Raiders complied. Goodbye malcontent, who never showed any interest in actually playing football during his short stay with the team.
Cryogate, then Helmetgate, followed by insubordination in front of the entire team. This guy hardly even practiced at all. I question his desire to even play football at this point. I won't be shocked if we've seen the last of AB on the field.
It's looking more and more like the late Al Davis Raiders and less like the post-salary cap hell rebuilt Raiders that made the playoffs.
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Risk vs Reward... It's not like everyone knew that AB was insane; and a couple mid round picks for a top 5 WR is crazy value. The Steelers and Brown were done, the entire NFL knew it... so it's not like the Steelers had a choice to keep him or not.Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:41 pmIt is on the Raiders though. Why did they think the Steelers would let a superstar go for a pair of mid round picks? Raiders haven't been able to keep three superstars happy now. Gruden & Mayock are not on the same page.Bot101 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:20 pmAbsolutely this. People are forgetting what a circus clown Brown was before he even joined the Raiders. For one of the very few times ever, I side with the Raiders on this.Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:36 am People here that are trying to reason that this situation is in any way the Raiders' fault as an organization are down the rabbit hole IMO. You can opine they made a bad decision to sign him in the first place. But this entire saga has been created by the player, not the organization. The helmet saga was not of the Raiders doing, nor was his foot issue. The team tried to work with him while those dramas unfolded, but even after AB's appeal was denied, and his feet were healed he continued to rail against the system.
Mayock/Gruden are at least trying to change the culture that has existed in Oakland. The fining of Brown had to be done to show that his type of behavior would not be accepted without consequence. What's the player's reaction? Complain, post a private conversation on social media (not the first time), and request his release. I'm glad the Raiders complied. Goodbye malcontent, who never showed any interest in actually playing football during his short stay with the team.
Cryogate, then Helmetgate, followed by insubordination in front of the entire team. This guy hardly even practiced at all. I question his desire to even play football at this point. I won't be shocked if we've seen the last of AB on the field.
It's looking more and more like the late Al Davis Raiders and less like the post-salary cap hell rebuilt Raiders that made the playoffs.
The Raiders have sacrificed no cap money in this whole fiasco, lost a couple mid round picks that have a fairly low hit rate anyways. It's not the end of the world for them by any means.
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Yeah, I agree on the low cost, but there is damage to the credibility of the organization. The don't know what they can handle. Not the end of the world but had they avoided him they could've gone another route to bolster the WRs.IZigUZag wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:19 pm Risk vs Reward... It's not like everyone knew that AB was insane; and a couple mid round picks for a top 5 WR is crazy value. The Steelers and Brown were done, the entire NFL knew it... so it's not like the Steelers had a choice to keep him or not.
The Raiders have sacrificed no cap money in this whole fiasco, lost a couple mid round picks that have a fairly low hit rate anyways. It's not the end of the world for them by any means.
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