Thoughts on Rashaad Penny?

[FantasyFreak]

Penny has looked much better in pass pro this year, and that TD was impressive. Is Carroll going to go back to giving him 6 touches next week, or is he going to get the ball more?

[mild]

Just sold Penny + Carson for Alshon + Pettis. Getting tired of that backfield and already have 4 solid RBs ahead of that combo on my roster.

My first update after trading away Penny, it's only been a few hours... But I already feel good seeeing that 27 points from Jeffrey tonight.

This has aged well...

[sloth8u]

Penny has looked much better in pass pro this year, and that TD was impressive. Is Carroll going to go back to giving him 6 touches next week, or is he going to get the ball more?

I suspected last yr that penny just never earned the trust of the staff when he started off with the injury. Carson wasnt horrible and they were in the playoff hunt....those 3 factors limited penny's opportunities was my assumption.

I expect that penny gets opportunities this year and its really up to how he performs as to how much work he gets.

I know carson is a polarizing player for most of us...ive never thought he was anything special, but i can see how some would like him... That said, penny has to be more dynamic and bring more potential to the table...right? He's gotta be able to protect wilson though if he wants to get on the field.

Long story short, if he can block... I think the workload increases and eventually he takes the job. Big if though.

[FantasyFreak]

Penny has looked much better in pass pro this year, and that TD was impressive. Is Carroll going to go back to giving him 6 touches next week, or is he going to get the ball more?

I suspected last yr that penny just never earned the trust of the staff when he started off with the injury. Carson wasnt horrible and they were in the playoff hunt....those 3 factors limited penny's opportunities was my assumption.

I expect that penny gets opportunities this year and its really up to how he performs as to how much work he gets.

I know carson is a polarizing player for most of us...ive never thought he was anything special, but i can see how some would like him... That said, penny has to be more dynamic and bring more potential to the table...right? He's gotta be able to protect wilson though if he wants to get on the field.

Long story short, if he can block... I think the workload increases and eventually he takes the job. Big if though.

He has shown this multiple times this year. His pass pro has gotten much better. He also got at least 3 third and short carries this week, converting 2, and the other he had no chance on. One, he had good blocking and converted, one he had no chance on, like I previously stated, and the other should have been a 2 yard loss, and he turned it into a 37 yard TD that was all Penny, basically. He showed the skillset that Carson simply does not have on that play, and he showed it vs GB and Minnesota last year, too, (and the Rams) with jaw dropping runs. Consistency is his issue, but much like a raw college prospect, I think Carroll is developing him into a more complete NFL player. If Carson keeps putting the ball on the ground, Penny will get more touches. I believe Carson has a place in this offence, but it will probably not ever be what it was last year, again. He's still a tough runner, and a viable player, but he's not a guy that should command the lions share of the touches, the way Penny can break big plays.

[Jigga94]

I agree with what FF has said. I think Carson has already hit his peak (at least in SEA). He's a good football player though and valuable to that team. More valuable to an NFL team than fantasy. I'm not sure if Penny could be a workhorse though. Roles would like need to be reversed or I would think they just go 50-50... Penny does have that special talent and it has me sold. Just not sure he ever gets the workload or consistent touches in that offense. It is encouraging to see him get more work though but I'm still holding and hoping.

[IBall2]

Just sold Penny + Carson for Alshon + Pettis. Getting tired of that backfield and already have 4 solid RBs ahead of that combo on my roster.

My first update after trading away Penny, it's only been a few hours... But I already feel good seeeing that 27 points from Jeffrey tonight.

This has aged well...

Who would have thought a year ago that Carson would have been the best piece in this trade

[SteveMaddensShoes]

My first update after trading away Penny, it's only been a few hours... But I already feel good seeeing that 27 points from Jeffrey tonight.

This has aged well...

Who would have thought a year ago that Carson would have been the best piece in this trade

And good luck guessing who will be the most valuable a year from now.

[remedy29]

Penny has looked much better in pass pro this year, and that TD was impressive. Is Carroll going to go back to giving him 6 touches next week, or is he going to get the ball more?

I suspected last yr that penny just never earned the trust of the staff when he started off with the injury. Carson wasnt horrible and they were in the playoff hunt....those 3 factors limited penny's opportunities was my assumption.

I expect that penny gets opportunities this year and its really up to how he performs as to how much work he gets.

I know carson is a polarizing player for most of us...ive never thought he was anything special, but i can see how some would like him... That said, penny has to be more dynamic and bring more potential to the table...right? He's gotta be able to protect wilson though if he wants to get on the field.

Long story short, if he can block... I think the workload increases and eventually he takes the job. Big if though.

He has shown this multiple times this year. His pass pro has gotten much better. He also got at least 3 third and short carries this week, converting 2, and the other he had no chance on. One, he had good blocking and converted, one he had no chance on, like I previously stated, and the other should have been a 2 yard loss, and he turned it into a 37 yard TD that was all Penny, basically. He showed the skillset that Carson simply does not have on that play, and he showed it vs GB and Minnesota last year, too, (and the Rams) with jaw dropping runs. Consistency is his issue, but much like a raw college prospect, I think Carroll is developing him into a more complete NFL player. If Carson keeps putting the ball on the ground, Penny will get more touches. I believe Carson has a place in this offence, but it will probably not ever be what it was last year, again. He's still a tough runner, and a viable player, but he's not a guy that should command the lions share of the touches, the way Penny can break big plays.

I don't think real gameday NFL RB production is about the ability to break big plays. It's about getting the ball, making a decisive decision, and running hard to pick up yardage. Huge open holes are not always going to be there for Penny, at some point he needs to man up and run hard and be decisive.
None of which Penny has shown to be capable of.

Penny plays like a scat back in a 235+ lb body. That's not going to work in the NFL, and it hasn't for Penny up to this point.

[Shoreline Steamers]

And it looks like he may be a scratch for Week 3. Apparently he injured his hammy in a walkthrough Friday. Hopefully it's low-grade.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Penny plays like a scat back in a 235+ lb body.

So did DJ when he first came into the league, and so did Melvin Gordon as well. But DJ had a coach who believed in him and was willing to correct and work through his mistakes. Giving him high leverage touches at things he was good at while CJ got the bulk of the work early on. Basically, the complete opposite of what Seattle is doing with Penny. If they sprinkle Penny in the game behind Carson, they have him run straight up the gut instead of giving him touches out in space which is what he's good at and what would boost his confidence. Regardless of what you think of Penny, it's clear Seattle has completely bungled everything about the situation. I'll continue to reiterate that this Penny situation is a lot like the Derrick Henry situation. They are not going to wow you on a play-by-play basis but if you give them a full compliment of touches they will reward you. That recent play that Penny made for a long TD, Carson probably would have looked SPECTACULAR pin-balling between defenders for a 5 yard gain. I mean you probably couldn't get twitter to shut up about how good he looked gaining 5 yards when Penny has the skillset to break it for a touchdown.

[nathanq42]

Penny plays like a scat back in a 235+ lb body.

So did DJ when he first came into the league, and so did Melvin Gordon as well. But DJ had a coach who believed in him and was willing to correct and work through his mistakes. Giving him high leverage touches at things he was good at while CJ got the bulk of the work early on. Basically, the complete opposite of what Seattle is doing with Penny. If they sprinkle Penny in the game behind Carson, they have him run straight up the gut instead of giving him touches out in space which is what he's good at and what would boost his confidence. Regardless of what you think of Penny, it's clear Seattle has completely bungled everything about the situation. I'll continue to reiterate that this Penny situation is a lot like the Derrick Henry situation. They are not going to wow you on a play-by-play basis but if you give them a full compliment of touches they will reward you. That recent play that Penny made for a long TD, Carson probably would have looked SPECTACULAR pin-balling between defenders for a 5 yard gain. I mean you probably couldn't get twitter to shut up about how good he looked gaining 5 yards when Penny has the skillset to break it for a touchdown.

To this point Schottenheimer is one of the least creative/deceptive OC in the league. You've basically got a 1/3 chance that its an inside hand off from the shotgun every offensive play. The amount of running plays he calls vs how many he has to choose from is like a 8:1 ratio. Its horrible, if Penny was on a dynamic offense like the Chiefs or Rams he'd be popping off, but he is on an offense from the 70's

[MEuRaH]

I can't believe I've never posted on this thread. I was sure I did but... I don't see anything.

I've said it several times before, but Penny is over-rated. I said that in over 30 posts on this forum (just counted, which is why I'm surprised none of those posts were in the Penny thread). Not only is he a terrible fit for the Seahawks system, but what little talent he does have is not being used properly anyway.

This is my first ever write-up on Penny.

I'm not taking Rashaad Penny.

He doesn't read blocking well enough, nor does he run the play as it's designed to be run. So many examples to point out, even in his highlights. In this video, he takes the handoff on what's supposed to be a stretch play with zone blocking, designed to be an outside run first. If the outside's not there, then you are supposed to work your way in until you find a hole. Instead, he hits the far inside lane (which should be the LAST read, not first) and looks like a champ doing it. The problem is that he got creative like this all the time vs sub-NFL level talent and got away with it a lot. You can't get away with that stuff at the NFL level. He's in for a rude awakening.

He's also leaning his body to change direction instead of swiveling his hips, and doesn't get many big plays based on avoiding tacklers, but instead on pure speed running through gaping holes in the offensive line. He also gets arm-tackled a lot and falls down awkwardly far too often for my liking. That's an injury waiting to happen.

Did I forget to mention that he couldn't beat out Donnel Pumphrey for the starting job? He also can't pass block, and he got drafted to a team with a bad O-line.

[ArrylT]

I am surprised people have not figured out the main solution to increasing his value.

A name change.

Simply going from Penny to Nickel would increase his value 5fold!

Then Seattle needs to trade him to Buffalo.

[Jigga94]

I am surprised people have not figured out the main solution to increasing his value.

A name change.

Simply going from Penny to Nickel would increase his value 5fold!

Then Seattle needs to trade him to Buffalo.

I'm moreso looking for a dime

[ArrylT]

I am surprised people have not figured out the main solution to increasing his value.

A name change.

Simply going from Penny to Nickel would increase his value 5fold!

Then Seattle needs to trade him to Buffalo.

I'm moreso looking for a dime

Then you could go to his owners and say 'Brother could you spare a Dime?'