Michael Thomas Thread: Still a WR1?

[killer_of_giants]

It's always possible that the Saints bring in an experienced vet to replace Brees like the Broncos did with Payton Manning. That's exactly what they did the last time they looked for a starting QB and that worked out pretty good.

Right, because Brees grow on trees.

ever wondered why those names are so similar?

[kmbryant09]

Soooo, I was just kidding about Thomas having a limited ceiling without Brees

[Jigga94]

Rudolph... Is out...

[Cameron Giles]

Soooo, I was just kidding about Thomas having a limited ceiling without Brees

It's almost like he's just really good on his own or something.

[Phaded]

In the one league I traded MT+ for OBJ+ I'm crying.

[Mike from Canada]

Seems like he was just a product of Brees and the system. Better bail now and get what we can.

[hoos89]

So...Michael Thomas WR1 overall in PPR? He's way ahead of the other top 5 WRs entering this season (Nuk, Adams, OBJ, JuJu), and he's done it mostly with Bridgewater under center (and with consistent week-to-week production, as opposed to one blowup game).

[kmbryant09]

While I'll happily eat crow if Thomas proves to maintain top5 status in his post-Brees years, I'm not *quite* ready to throw in the towel just yet. It's a Bucs team that he's always shredded, and well, it's 1 game.

But either way, this is very encouraging for Thomas owners and goes a long way in alleviating most of the concerns about his production when Brees inevitably retires this year or next.

[fruity pebbles]

#1 dynasty asset? No, that would be Saquon or CMac. #1 dynasty WR? Yeah, without question imo.

[ArrylT]

I think Thomas' floor is higher than OBJ, especially when factoring in injury history.

I would agree with that. But I think OBJ's talent, upside, and longevity are all higher than Thomas'.

I won't argue with you on the talent and upside, I don’t think longevity is something we can pencil in as an advantage for OBJ though. He does have a history of injuries, plus there is a history of high profile and vocal WRs careers coming to premature ends or severely impacted due to off field behavior. Is anyone really going to be surprised if OBJ goes the Moss/Owens/Chad Johnson/AB route?

I guess that depends on what you mean by their route.

Moss was very productive until 33 - he was WR #2 at 32
Owens was very productive until 37 - he was WR #3 at 34 and #17 his final year with Cincy
Ochocinco was productive until 32 - he was WR #14 at 31 and #33 his final year

If what you mean is that there is going to be concern & worry about who they play for, and how they play, then sure I can see that. Just that production wise, there was never really any concern in hindsight.

Odells season looks quiet, but he remains on pace for 80 odd receptions 1250 yards which is respectable considering the track record of WRs changing teams in Year 1 of the change. Regardless going from 2020 forward, if he follows that path he still has 4-5 years of WR1/WR2 production potential.

[ArrylT]

I would agree though that Michael Thomas, based on the information available, still has a safer WR1 floor than Odell Beckham at this point. Just that the difference is more of preference than evidence.

[Patsfan86]

I think its time for me to say Yes to this one. But people are mostly going to value RBs more so i dont think Thomas will ever reach this in the entire Fantasy community. But for me his the #1 WR and #1 asset in general.

[hoos89]

While I'll happily eat crow if Thomas proves to maintain top5 status in his post-Brees years, I'm not *quite* ready to throw in the towel just yet. It's a Bucs team that he's always shredded, and well, it's 1 game.

But either way, this is very encouraging for Thomas owners and goes a long way in alleviating most of the concerns about his production when Brees inevitably retires this year or next.

It's not one game though. He was WR9 from weeks 2 through 4. Adding in week 5 he's WR3 since Brees went down.

[Patsfan86]

While I'll happily eat crow if Thomas proves to maintain top5 status in his post-Brees years, I'm not *quite* ready to throw in the towel just yet. It's a Bucs team that he's always shredded, and well, it's 1 game.

But either way, this is very encouraging for Thomas owners and goes a long way in alleviating most of the concerns about his production when Brees inevitably retires this year or next.

It's not one game though. He was WR9 from weeks 2 through 4. Adding in week 5 he's WR3 since Brees went down.

^^^ Agree. This is an opinion people just need to let go of, we are all wrong about things and all miss. Thomas is great with or without brees. Like Rocky 4 "Throw in the damn towel" Its ok to be wrong about guys. And 4 years into a career its time to admit when we as a dynasty community really missed on a guy.

[kmbryant09]

While I'll happily eat crow if Thomas proves to maintain top5 status in his post-Brees years, I'm not *quite* ready to throw in the towel just yet. It's a Bucs team that he's always shredded, and well, it's 1 game.

But either way, this is very encouraging for Thomas owners and goes a long way in alleviating most of the concerns about his production when Brees inevitably retires this year or next.

It's not one game though. He was WR9 from weeks 2 through 4. Adding in week 5 he's WR3 since Brees went down.

Yes, that 4-game sample size is a great indicator that Thomas' production will not fall off drastically in the post-Brees era (I don't mean that sarcastically).

Maybe I didn't clarify, but I was addressing earlier comments I made about Thomas in the post-Brees era - that I thought he wouldn't have the ceiling that traditional elite WR #1's carry. 1 blowup game doesn't completely change my mind - but it certainly has me on notice.