Juju a top 10 WR?

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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby mullmania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:04 pm

No doubt. The #2 WR on the Giants has never really produced like the #2 WR on Pitt though

Ben has produced like overall WR 1 and RB 1 results for his players. Pitt is a fantasy bonza typically. Eli is a much different apple

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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby mullmania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:06 pm

Situation isn't everything but it's huge. My basic point with all of this. JuJu and Shepard switch teams right now.

Which one's fantasy ceiling is higher for the rest of the year?

I'd argue Shepard on Pitt vs JuJu on the Giants.


That was my only point. Don't want to overstate it. JuJu is great

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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby ArrylT » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:12 pm

Juju was basically WR 22-24 on 80 targets (for 16 games) last year and had 191 points in PPR.

Assuming 8 targets a game is his average - thats still 130 targets.

WR 10 in 2016 was approx 250 points.

Theoretically it is possible if he can maintain a 130 target pace, and maintain his efficiency that he'll be a top 10 WR. Whether or not that will happen, I do not know - but I do think it is possible.
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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:13 pm

I like the idea of them swapping teams and seeing the results. I think everyone would say JuJu would be worse off and Shepard would be better. I just wonder how close they would be to matching each other's production
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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby ArrylT » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:17 pm

Also for Week VIII and onward, and excluding the 2 games he missed (one was suspension I recall) Juju saw an average of approx 7.5 targets a game (versus 4.33 for his first 6 games), so 8 target a game average is basically what he was already getting last year.
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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby mullmania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:26 pm

I feel better about saying JuJu will produce a top 10 WR season this year than he is a long term top 10 WR.

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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby Friction » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:48 pm

I felt comfortable starting him over Cook both weeks in one league and Fournette week 1. Hindsight and Cook coming off an injury somewhat makes those decisions look great now, but i felt pretty confident going against the "ranks". Now Top 10 is a little aggressive when you factor in his own team and more importantly what is ahead of him. But with Julio, AJ, Brown all getting a little on the old side in 2-3 years, that is an easier debate to have.
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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby Gtdano_14 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:39 am

Jigga94 wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:13 pm
I like the idea of them swapping teams and seeing the results. I think everyone would say JuJu would be worse off and Shepard would be better. I just wonder how close they would be to matching each other's production
I'd like to see players on my fantasy roster head to better offenses as well, but no need to waste time wondering about something that will never happen.
JuJu is better than Shepard regardless of team. Let's move on.
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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby Jigga94 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:28 am

Gtdano_14 wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:39 am
Jigga94 wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:13 pm
I like the idea of them swapping teams and seeing the results. I think everyone would say JuJu would be worse off and Shepard would be better. I just wonder how close they would be to matching each other's production
I'd like to see players on my fantasy roster head to better offenses as well, but no need to waste time wondering about something that will never happen.
JuJu is better than Shepard regardless of team. Let's move on.
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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby dynastyninja » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:33 am

Gtdano_14 wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:39 am
Jigga94 wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:13 pm
I like the idea of them swapping teams and seeing the results. I think everyone would say JuJu would be worse off and Shepard would be better. I just wonder how close they would be to matching each other's production
I'd like to see players on my fantasy roster head to better offenses as well, but no need to waste time wondering about something that will never happen.
JuJu is better than Shepard regardless of team. Let's move on.
I disagree. If anything I think they're pretty even. JuJu is just in a significantly better situation. Basically every WR2 in Pittsburgh produces at a high level.

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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby Titans95 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:37 am

dynastyninja wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:33 am
Gtdano_14 wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:39 am
Jigga94 wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:13 pm
I like the idea of them swapping teams and seeing the results. I think everyone would say JuJu would be worse off and Shepard would be better. I just wonder how close they would be to matching each other's production
I'd like to see players on my fantasy roster head to better offenses as well, but no need to waste time wondering about something that will never happen.
JuJu is better than Shepard regardless of team. Let's move on.
I disagree. If anything I think they're pretty even. JuJu is just in a significantly better situation. Basically every WR2 in Pittsburgh produces at a high level.
It's still irrelevant. either Juju or Shepherd are going anywhere anytime soon.

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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby James McGhee » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:54 am

C_n_red_again wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:01 pm
Juju put up wr1 numbers last year when Antonio Brown was out so the argument that he can’t produce without ab is not valid. In dynasty I’d say he is a fringe top ten wr. No one has been this productive at this age.
I wouldn't say it's an invalid argument all together...just that the limited evidence we have at this time does not fit. Small samples sizes...
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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby Factory of Sadness » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:56 am

Juju and Shep are very different players. I like Shepard and agree that his situation kills him, but he's a complementary WR in my eyes. Juju is 20 pounds bigger and far more physical.
When I watch Juju, he seems to be good at everything. He's a good long ball WR. He's effective making tough catches over the middle. He can do damage in the screen game. He can body up a corner or show enough twitch to create separation. He's smart and instinctive when the play breaks down. He's a physical and effective blocker. Add to this the joy that he seems to play with and consider his age and it's not difficult to imagine him being a consistent WR1 in the future.
As others have said, if you want to win now, you'd have to slot AJG and Julio comfortably ahead of him. As a long-term asset though I can see him being top ten.

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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby cazzie33 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:57 am

EVERYONE, stay calm and in your seats then nobody will get hurt. We're here to hijack this thread.

The real question is ..." Who is more likely to take over as WR1 and perennial top ten @ the WR position. Golladay or Juju ? "

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Re: Juju a top 10 WR?

Postby Rasorin » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:56 am

When AB was out last year, JuJu was elite. When OBJ was out last year they turned to Ingram, not Sheppard. Sheppard might turn into something. JuJu is already something.
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