Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby ArrylT » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:48 pm

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He also didn’t claim to be the most accurate evaluator of WRs. People only really started dunking on him when he said he was the best at evaluating running backs.
Yes anyone who heavily negatively critiques another posters stance on a player or a position needs to be able to show that they can do better. Many times it is just pot shots from the peanut gallery and I have a feeling those bounce off most respectable posters be it Cameron Giles, lukkynumber13, Dynasty_Delorean or DLF_MikeH.
Sorry, Mike might be your friend or something, but if you’re putting out extremely bold takes and then giving evidence by saying your nearly 100 percent on RB’s in the last 3-4 years with absolutely no quantifiable evidence of that, you’re going to get strong criticism.
I believe there is a difference between constructive criticism and being totally negative. That is what I am referring to. For example if someone makes a statement, and then discovers new evidence that changes their statement, attacking that person for making an adjustment is unnecessary. This isnt politics, it is fantasy football. And if it is a poster who basically just talks the talk and does not walk the walk then their negativity reflects more on them than on the people who make serious contributions.

If someone says hey I think your stance is incorrect because of (A), (B) or (C) thats useful. :thumbup:
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:26 pm

ArrylT wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:48 pm
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ArrylT wrote:
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Yes anyone who heavily negatively critiques another posters stance on a player or a position needs to be able to show that they can do better. Many times it is just pot shots from the peanut gallery and I have a feeling those bounce off most respectable posters be it Cameron Giles, lukkynumber13, Dynasty_Delorean or DLF_MikeH.
Sorry, Mike might be your friend or something, but if you’re putting out extremely bold takes and then giving evidence by saying your nearly 100 percent on RB’s in the last 3-4 years with absolutely no quantifiable evidence of that, you’re going to get strong criticism.
I believe there is a difference between constructive criticism and being totally negative. That is what I am referring to. For example if someone makes a statement, and then discovers new evidence that changes their statement, attacking that person for making an adjustment is unnecessary. This isnt politics, it is fantasy football. And if it is a poster who basically just talks the talk and does not walk the walk then their negativity reflects more on them than on the people who make serious contributions.

If someone says hey I think your stance is incorrect because of (A), (B) or (C) thats useful. :thumbup:
His stance was “I’m the best evaluator of running backs in the last 3-4 years,” and “I have a near 100% hit rate.”

It’s not like people are dragging his old bad takes to discredit his Taylor take. They’re dragging him because he lied about his success.
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby DLF3000 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:50 pm

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What do you think a fair price is for him? I’d love to acquire him.
According to MFL ADP, he's currently going 185 in startups between rookies Cole Kmet and Antonio Gibson. The range of those rookies is 20-26 overall, so a late 2nd to early 3rd would be around fair imo.
I might trade Anthony Miller right now for a 2nd.

Leaning keeping him into next season, but only leaning - he craters more often than I like to go along with the occasional strong game.
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:04 pm

Trubisky has been pretty bad, very inconsistent. If Foles is better, maybe he breaks out.
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby Sriracha » Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:41 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote:
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Trubisky has been pretty bad, very inconsistent. If Foles is better, maybe he breaks out.
You expect Nick Foles to support 2 WRs?

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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby MattDeezy » Fri May 01, 2020 3:43 am

Ted Ginn went to Chicago - RIP Miller.
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Fri May 01, 2020 3:45 am

How did my posts get moved to this other MikeH bad tale thread?
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby wickerkat1212 » Fri May 01, 2020 10:36 am

IZigUZag wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:41 pm
wickerkat1212 wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:04 pm
Trubisky has been pretty bad, very inconsistent. If Foles is better, maybe he breaks out.
You expect Nick Foles to support 2 WRs?
I don't see why not. If Trubisky was more accurate, he could have.
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RB—EE, Henry, Cohen, Mostert, Evans (R), Coleman, Pollard
WR—MThomas, Diggs, Lamb (R), Lazard, Hardman, Renfrow, Beasley, Claypool
TE—Doyle, Jonnu, Thomas
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QB—Watson, Stafford, Tyrod
RB—Conner, David & Duke Johnson, Cohen, Howard, Breida, DWilliams, Edmonds
WR—Hill, Allen, Golladay, Jeudy (R), Jeffery, Jefferson (R), Amendola, Miller, Watson, Dorsett
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby whodunnit » Sat May 02, 2020 9:21 am

MattDeezy wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:43 am
Ted Ginn went to Chicago - RIP Miller.
Ginn is there to replace Gabriel, not Miller. Ginn is probably depth at this point.
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby DLF3000 » Sun May 03, 2020 12:29 pm

whodunnit wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 9:21 am
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Fri May 01, 2020 3:43 am
Ted Ginn went to Chicago - RIP Miller.
Ginn is there to replace Gabriel, not Miller. Ginn is probably depth at this point.
Yeah, and on top of that, I'm actually more optimistic about Miller again now that the "open QB competition" is on.
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun May 03, 2020 12:45 pm

whodunnit wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 9:21 am
MattDeezy wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:43 am
Ted Ginn went to Chicago - RIP Miller.
Ginn is there to replace Gabriel, not Miller. Ginn is probably depth at this point.
I heard they were converting him to TE.

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Postby whodunnit » Mon May 04, 2020 7:11 am

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 12:45 pm
whodunnit wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 9:21 am
MattDeezy wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 3:43 am
Ted Ginn went to Chicago - RIP Miller.
Ginn is there to replace Gabriel, not Miller. Ginn is probably depth at this point.
I heard they were converting him to TE.
Hahaha, I'd believe it
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby joeya2001 » Mon May 04, 2020 8:04 am

IS it still to late to get this guy for cheap?
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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon May 04, 2020 5:10 pm

joeya2001 wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 8:04 am
IS it still to late to get this guy for cheap?
Can't imagine you'd have to pay anything more than a 2nd.

But, most owners are probably holding.

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Re: Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

Postby stoneghost28 » Mon May 11, 2020 10:12 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
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In that case, are you open to critical feedback like myself? ;)

You said this not even a year ago about Miller:

And obviously there were a ton of great WRs in last years draft while Miller went on to disappoint. So my question is: What changed between then and now? What is this spreadsheet you speak of? How did you create it? What does it say about current rookies in this draft class?
Yeah, WRs are his thing like closing out Super Bowl leads is Kyle Shanahans. Last year this dolt was hyping Harry, JJAW, and Isabella as his favorite WRs. If I was that bad at scouting WRs, I'd probably come up with a purely analytical system too. Unfortunately, you cant trust the cook of this data and it doesnt actually say what he claims it does. He was the loudest and wrong-est last year and now hes just vomiting up a bowl of numbers and claiming they reveal something significant.

Mike, you actually know some things about the RB position and make compelling arguements based on them. But I swear to god, if the two of you start a back and forth your egos are going to rip a hole in the fabric of time and space. In the interest of all humanity please dont go down that road.

On second thought, it would be pretty entertaining and theres nothing else to do....
Can you provide reference?
What I find amusing here, six+ weeks later, is that there's some issue with this, or that it was bad scouting to like N'Keal Harry, or Andy Isabella? JAWS, ehhh, there were justifiable concerns with him that were based on innumerable factors, so I can see that, but Harry had a totally clean bill of health in terms of scouting. His athleticism was right within the window, and we already know that the combine is largely irrelevant when it comes to finding connections w/future success rate other than in how it connects to draft capital (if your combine is good, you will have a better chance at having solid or better draft capital which is what actually matters as opposed to the athleticism that is pushing the capital up), he had the production markers, he had the early breakout age, and he played in a big 5 conference. Isabella's knock was exclusively in terms of his competition, which was essentially garbage, but we also had potentially exculpatory evidence there w/his consistently impressive performances against big 5 squads in out of conference games (of course Corey Davis had that too, but too a much lesser extent).

This is just the kind of thing that I view as revisionist garbage that ignores process. If you miss with good process, and you will, I'm not gonna hate you for it. McLaurin hit, and proved to be a major outlier, but if I or my team consistently made picks of McLaurin's I would lose my ----. It was a bad process pick that hit, so hurrah for that, but far more often than not, if you draft a guy w/a non-existent breakout age, and no foot print of production to speak of, you'll be drafting a bust, like 85-90% of the time. That's not good process w/a third rounder in the real NFL or in Dynasty.

Still, you'll see some strut back and forth over their McLaurin pick, while I'll just shake my head. Great lucky pick, but try that again 20 times, and you'll miss on 17-18 of them while I'm collecting all the Chris Godwin and Juju shares instead which had good process behind them as post-round 1 steals in a lot of drafts and will hit far more often than just 1-3 times out of 20 that guys with McLaurin's profile will hit. The one less to take there in a McLaurin is what one should be looking at, instead of ripping on Harry or Isabella. What were his selling points? Captain, leader, whatever? Nice, but I've seen innumerable guys with character who sucked. What else? Guy hidden by a giant pile of talent in front of him? Well, now that's actually interesting because we've got Ruggs coming through w/a similar issue but not as dramatic in scale (what do we make of his lack of production?, is the third best WR on Alabama in 2019 really the best WR in the '20 NFL Draft as the Raiders seemed to imply? Seems unlikely), and you've also got the importance of draft capital. The Redskins used a top 80 pick on him, not a dead zone pick like with Harmon (where the hit rate is even worse than the hit rate of guys with McLaurin's profile), the redskins had the need and playing time to give as well, so while the situation wasn't good, the opportunity was 50% good (plenty of snaps available, if not talent at QB). So file away the hidden little positives for McLaurin, draft capital, still the most valuable part of a profile, and opportunity, and a situation in college that would bury most receivers anyway, not hard to show out at ASU or at UMASS as compared to Ohio State or heck, even Ole Miss.

This is simply my long winded way of saying a few things, the most important of which are, good process misses aren't a problem, they're a reminder to be humble, and to dig into why you missed, and to not render a fundamental verdict on guys after 1 season, and to use good process in your evaluations, and always be open and flexible in your thinking.

I got AJ Brown everywhere last year, but I also had a lot of Harry. I got McCaffrey, Cook, and Mixon all over in '17 in round 1, but I also tried to buy up Davis on the cheap in '18 and stupidly sold all McCaffrey within a year or so of getting him.

I Nailed Chubb, and DJ Moore all over in '18, but I also ended up with a half dozen shares of Michel, and had to dump shares all over the place before the '19 season started while he still carried a reasonable return (successful with all but one share which I sold in February at a huge loss).

This is a complicated game, get some good process, always be open and flexible when it comes to learning and improving on what you do, be humble if you can or at least funny if you can't, and try to own your foibles and your mistakes as you also celebrate your successes. As I say these things I know I can fail at them across the board (especially with my loathing of tape grinding/scouting, appeals to NFL Authority after they've proven totally inept at drafting for decades etc) so humility is definitely a work in progress in some ways lol.


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