Player value in league size

[IR1]

Quick question on how to adjust player value for different league sizes. Usually paly in 10 and 12 team leagues but just joined a 16 team idp league. Offers sent seem low, not sure if I'm the new guy or if the value of top players is diluted in the need for depth. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!

[Cult of Dionysus]

It's not that elite players come down, but that moderate players come up a bit.

Most likely, there's just some sharks looking to take advantage of fresh meat. Check out the trade's history and get a sense of what the actual market is.

Or post some offers below, would probably be pretty interesting.

[Mjvb5]

Moderate players value relative to upper players value is increased as depth becomes much more important
Additionally in order QBs and TEs receive a decent value bump due to poistion scarcity that beceomes relevant now and RBs get a slight bump relative to WRs

[IR1]

Thanks- a couple offers-
this morning-send Kelce
- get Brate, Eddie Jackson, 2.06, 4.06

Prior verbal offer of send 2.01
get Artie Burns

Send Corey Davis, Zay Jones
Get Kearse, Deonte Thompson, Kevin White

[sloth8u]

lol....is this an orphan? if so, just shut it down until a few weeks prior to the season. its not worth the headache.

im serious. tell your new leaguemates that your going to take a month or so to feel out the landscape. check past trades over the last few years. evaluate the other 15 teams. who's building, whos contending....which teams can use your help and which can help you. feel free to send your own offers!

i'll also add that you need to pay attention to your scoring format. the larger the leagues, the more they tend to try to balance it. if thats the case....adjust accordingly. a 16 team league that starts 1,2,2,1,1, idp...is much different than 1,2,3,1,2, idp....you get the idea.

the big thing here....know yourself as a player...if your not someone who drafts well, dont get caught up in acquiring draft picks. random 1'st and 2'nd turn into late picks in the rd real quick. i know idp is involved....but drafts in these leagues are where you can make your money. if you dont/cant draft well...use your picks to acquire the proven. if you do draft well....the picks obviously mean more to you. not sure if that makes sense....but think of it this way....while someone is taking their 3rd qb or flier wr/rb...your taking a cornerstone lb,dl,db.

pick value in these leagues is dependant on your ability to follow the league. player value does not change imo. if you have "your guy" your not moving him unless you get a deal that you like. a quick example....i play in a few 32 teamers, 1 copy....you would be amazed at the disparity of trade values. im not going to get in to details but assume it safe to say that some look at values in a 12 teamer rather than 32 teamer.

[thebeast]

Thanks- a couple offers-
this morning-send Kelce
- get Brate, Eddie Jackson, 2.06, 4.06

Prior verbal offer of send 2.01
get Artie Burns

Send Corey Davis, Zay Jones
Get Kearse, Deonte Thompson, Kevin White

Yeah, none of those cut it in any size league. The are feeling you out.

[Mjvb5]

Thanks- a couple offers-
this morning-send Kelce
- get Brate, Eddie Jackson, 2.06, 4.06

Prior verbal offer of send 2.01
get Artie Burns

Send Corey Davis, Zay Jones
Get Kearse, Deonte Thompson, Kevin White

I love depth in these leagues but those are guys trying to dump trash for high end pieces

[gopackgo]

Garbage offers, but don't kill trade talks, just reason with them on why you don't feel they're close.

[maxhyde]

Thanks- a couple offers-
this morning-send Kelce
- get Brate, Eddie Jackson, 2.06, 4.06

Prior verbal offer of send 2.01
get Artie Burns

Send Corey Davis, Zay Jones
Get Kearse, Deonte Thompson, Kevin White

IDP are a dime a dozen save for a select few in most scoring formats. Elite Offensive players lose relative value but the scale just slides back for them and up for the very low value players.
Still overall value should be determined by points on your roster ignoring most IDP's outside the top 2 or 3 at most positions. IDP scoring for many players varies alot season to season. Value of IDP is LB >DE>S>CB>DT in most of my league scoring formats but no one ever really trades elite offensive players for elite IDP even close to straight up.

Unfortunately larger team full IDP leagues are a lot of live and learn.

Sloth8u comments are a pretty solid overview

[IR1]

Thanks for the replies. Kind of thought they were just checking me out, just wanted to make sure my values weren’t off. The idp scoring isn’t high but a quick look at the waiver wire looks pretty barren. QBs scoring is high. Took over an orphan and have a lot of work to do. Thanks again

[millworkguy]

I primarily play in larger 16 + and a 32 team single player pool leagues. With starting requirements scoring and salary cap concerns I've seen many trades that look odd without knowing more.

Both of these trades happened in my 32 team with seasoned owners on both sides
2 years ago:
1) sent dre hall hou safety
Got 2017 1st round pick
This off season
Sent d Davis (lb) ( 1 yr contract) b Baker (6 yr contract)
Got Julio Jones (2 yr contract at 22% of cap) pick 4.28 and a 2019 2nd.

The bigger the league, the more you need to understand the players, positional scarcity, and the effect of league limits (in my case salary cap) on the desicion making of each owner. I could only afford to take on the Jones contract (and it's an albatross as we have 38 man rosters and 19 starters) because I've paid well to acquire cheap starters in the past. My total cap hit for 5 of my other starters is 3% of cap.

[Tsunami]

QBs, there are about 15 good ones every year, which makes them not worth a lot in 12 QB leagues (because everybody has one) but worth a lot more in larger leagues.
RBs, the dropoff in value between the top 5 and the top 30 is extreme in a 12 team league, and this is true even more in a large league. However, the dropoff at QB may surpass even RBs.
WRs, if you are in a 12 team league that has like 6 flex spots you can expect that most of those will be WRs because there isn't as much of a dropoff at this position. Thus a larger league has less demand for WRs and they are worth less.
TEs, there are about 3 good ones, which gives you a positional advantage in a league where everyone is stacked at WR & RB but is worth less in a large league where you can't expect to be strong at all starter positions. TE value drops off the most of offensive positions in large leagues.

IDPs - I'm not an expert on IDPs but I believe there are plenty of LB and DB even for a large league. The DEs might increase in value relative to other positions, depends on roster sizes of course.