The addition of Penny, and making a concerted effort to utilize a FB more, as well as drafting arguably the best blocking TE in the league, while also have Ed Dickson, suggests this is the case.Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:45 pmIf this turns out to be something structural, even just a "loose bodies" situation that requires a cleanup I'll be a little concerned. No Baldwin would really be no bueno. That would leave them with Lockett and a bunch of inexperience (or mediocrity) behind him.
I'm also curious, and maybe irrationally nervous about the type of offense the team wants to employ. When this team was at their best, they ran to set up the pass. Game script may not allow it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to tilt a little more run heavy to keep the defense off the field so they're not exposed. The line won't be as bad a last year, but it's a better run blocking than pass blocking unit as currently constructed.
If this comes to pass, Wilson's overall numbers might suffer a bit at the expense of the team hopefully finding more success. Yes, I think Wilson is still an elite talent, but he may not produce elite numbers as far a fantasy is concerned.
Russell Wilson Discussion Thread - Split with Seahawks?
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Re: Is Russell Wilson still an Elite QB 1?
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Re: Is Russell Wilson still an Elite QB 1?
I don’t think many would take that bet, even if they are huge on Wilson (he’s my qb1 in dynasty)mullmania wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:28 pm I’m talking about games like Arizona week 17.
7 points in the first half. 7 in the 3rd quarter, 10 in the 4th
Jags Game zero points in the 1st half.
10 in the 3rd, 14th in the 4th
Rams game. Zero points in first half.
7 points total.
I’ll take a sig bet with anyone that wants it that Wilson doesn’t finish top 3 next year
Even if he finishes 4th, I’m pretty happy. Say the guys that finish ahead of him are Brady, Brees, Rodgers. My outlook on Wilson doesn’t take the tiniest hit from that.
Also missing a game or two derails that bet easily.
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RB: K Walker, T Ettiene, JK Dobbins, D Gore, J Hasty, D Johnson, L Rountree
WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
TE. T Kelce, Pitts, Albert O, D Parham, J O’Shaunessy
1.03, 1.11, 2.02, 2.09
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12 team. 2019 champ, 2020 runner up, ‘21 3rd
start 2SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT
QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
RB: K Walker, T Ettiene, JK Dobbins, D Gore, J Hasty, D Johnson, L Rountree
WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
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Re: Is Russell Wilson still an Elite QB 1?
Not to derail the thread but this was a complete myth. No idea who started it but people latched onto it and ran without doing their own analysis. Breakdown by quarter:Life of Pablo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:58 pm It reminds me a lot of ARob's great 2015 season and how a lot of his numbers were boosted by 4th-quarter garbage time.
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As for Seattle, I have full confidence in Wilson, with or without Baldwin. Am I the only one who recognizes that Wilson was a top 5 QB in 2014 and 2015 when they still had Lynch?
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It was more like 2nd half when the team was trailing, and the 4th quarter did d boast his highest totals, so there is a modicum of truth to it.skip wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:29 pmNot to derail the thread but this was a complete myth. No idea who started it but people latched onto it and ran without doing their own analysis. Breakdown by quarter:Life of Pablo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:58 pm It reminds me a lot of ARob's great 2015 season and how a lot of his numbers were boosted by 4th-quarter garbage time.
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As for Seattle, I have full confidence in Wilson, with or without Baldwin. Am I the only one who recognizes that Wilson was a top 5 QB in 2014 and 2015 when they still had Lynch?
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I don't dismiss this fact, but my only concern is how much the defense will be able to help the offense. In those seasons Seattle was 4th and 10th in average starting field position. That's got to help the offense when you're dealing with a shorter field. I wouldn't try to guess how much, but I'm just hoping there's not as much regression as expected on the defensive side of the ball.
Wilson is elite in my opinion. I just wonder if he'll be able to put up elite numbers on this version of the team. But if their depth was drafted and developed well, maybe the drop-off in surrounding talent on both sides of the ball won't be as bad a feared.
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Re: Is Russell Wilson still an Elite QB 1?
I wonder if they will ever address the WR position? They really haven't since Wilson has been there. They got him a RZ weapon in Jimmy Graham, (the really Jimmy G), and that has been it. Graham is gone now. What happens if Baldwin gets hurt for any extended period? Yikes. They need to think about drafting one next year with all these good prospects coming out.Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:22 amI don't dismiss this fact, but my only concern is how much the defense will be able to help the offense. In those seasons Seattle was 4th and 10th in average starting field position. That's got to help the offense when you're dealing with a shorter field. I wouldn't try to guess how much, but I'm just hoping there's not as much regression as expected on the defensive side of the ball.
Wilson is elite in my opinion. I just wonder if he'll be able to put up elite numbers on this version of the team. But if their depth was drafted and developed well, maybe the drop-off in surrounding talent on both sides of the ball won't be as bad a feared.
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Agree with the bolded. I said way back in April that they should sign Dez Bryant to give Russ another threat.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:47 am I wonder if they will ever address the WR position? They really haven't since Wilson has been there. They got him a RZ weapon in Jimmy Graham, (the really Jimmy G), and that has been it. Graham is gone now. What happens if Baldwin gets hurt for any extended period? Yikes. They need to think about drafting one next year with all these good prospects coming out.
As to the original topic, I think even if Russ has a "bad" year like 2016, he's still going to end up a mid-low QB1. I'm guessing a more realistic outcome is somewhere between 2016 and 2017, which would still put him in the running for a top-5 QB season. Combine that with his relative youth (vs. Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan), upside when he does have weapons, and the fact that he is still very mobile, I think he remains an elite QB1.
There could be some perceived downside though, so maybe this is an opportunity to buy low?
Re: Is Russell Wilson still an Elite QB 1?
There are a handful of QB's you can pencil in as a top 5 finisher at QB any given year in the NFL and Wilson is one of them. He has never had a great WR or a terrific line but manages to put his team in positions to win every week
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WR: Jeffery,Cooper, Josh Gordon, Dede Westbrook, Cam Meredith, Brice Butler, Chester Rogers, Lockett, Switzer, Malone, Cain (IR)
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Re: Is Russell Wilson still an Elite QB 1?
If Baldwin is out for the entire pre-season, it is going to be interesting to see which other receivers he has the most chemistry / success with this pre-season.
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Wow I haven't read this thread but I can't believe it's lasted for three pages
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WR: B. Cooks, J. Jones, A.J. Green, S. Watkins, M. Williams, M. Valdes-Scantling, J. Ross, M. Lee, T. Taylor, P. Richardson
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I would have thought the very 1st response would have covered it.
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Re: Is Russell Wilson still an Elite QB 1?
Regarding Baldwin, I heard it opined that a guy entering training-camp and preseason with a sore knee typically won't be 100% for the entire season.
If true, then
- Russell Wilson is in for a down year, statistically
- yet another warning not to sleep on Tyler Lockett
If true, then
- Russell Wilson is in for a down year, statistically
- yet another warning not to sleep on Tyler Lockett
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Re: Is Russell Wilson still an Elite QB 1?
I'm doing a 3 year catch and release dynasty startup and I nabbed a Wilson copy in the early 5th round.
Sitting with Kamara, AJ Green, Landry, Ertz, Wilson so far PPR
I just saw his week 1 matchup is Denver....yikes
Sitting with Kamara, AJ Green, Landry, Ertz, Wilson so far PPR
I just saw his week 1 matchup is Denver....yikes
Re: Is Russell Wilson still an Elite QB 1?
So the answer I have is Yes for dynasty Wilson is still an elite top 3-5 QB.
I won't be suprised if he has a decent fall off this year though.
Looking at the numbers when I was researching for the draft he set an NFL record I believe with 17 4th quarter TD passes.
He also accounted for like 36 of Seattles total 37 offensive tds or some crazy metric. He was a legit one man show.
Now the team shouldn't be great again and will likely be finding themselves in more catch up mode but regerssion has to hit.
I also think they Sign Dez
I won't be suprised if he has a decent fall off this year though.
Looking at the numbers when I was researching for the draft he set an NFL record I believe with 17 4th quarter TD passes.
He also accounted for like 36 of Seattles total 37 offensive tds or some crazy metric. He was a legit one man show.
Now the team shouldn't be great again and will likely be finding themselves in more catch up mode but regerssion has to hit.
I also think they Sign Dez
Re: Is Russell Wilson still an Elite QB 1?
I do believe raising the concern about his weapons was valid. Here we are week 3 and it's an issue.
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