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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby dynastyninja » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:46 am

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People forget he was a 1st / 2nd round NFL prospect prior to his injury. His draft stock fell to round 4 due to injury.
Not exactly. He was a 1st/2nd round prospect his junior year. The injury didn't help, but his draft stock had already fallen due to the tape from his senior year.

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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Ice » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:54 am

dynastyninja wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:46 am
Ice wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:24 am
People forget he was a 1st / 2nd round NFL prospect prior to his injury. His draft stock fell to round 4 due to injury.
Not exactly. He was a 1st/2nd round prospect his junior year. The injury didn't help, but his draft stock had already fallen due to the tape from his senior year.
Disagree on his tape. Team had many issues his last year but that’s an opinion we can disagree on.
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Lumps » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:12 am

ArrylT wrote:
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Lumps wrote:
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lol how ya gonna cite injury concern then advocate bryce love...

this latest injury is troublesome. Maybe they bring back AP 1 more year? They need some sort of boring, reliable vet to pair with Guice and that really caps his projection moving forward.
Love has had a single big injury - ACL. An injury that people are coming back exactly the same from.
He hurt his ankle in college.
That's all.


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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Krypto_King » Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:52 pm

Ice wrote:
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Krypto_King wrote:
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Love has had a single big injury - ACL. An injury that people are coming back exactly the same from.
He hurt his ankle in college.
That's all.
who is the last player to miss over 12 months from an ACL? Washington has been down to 5th string at RB most of the year and Love has never even been mentioned.
Love was never drafted with 2019 in mind. In fact many teams felt he would need an additional surgery on his knee which I think Happened.

The goal for this player was 2020.

People forget he was a 1st / 2nd round NFL prospect prior to his injury. His draft stock fell to round 4 due to injury.

He was a stash player which isn’t all that uncommon for NFL teams rebuilding their rosters.

The team will find out if they struck gold in 2020.

I recently acquired him for a 3rd next season because I felt he would be okay. Too soon to know for sure but if he comes back 100% it will be a good deal most likely.
he was a 1st/2nd round prospect prior to mouthpieces talking to actual scouts. November is the time to hype prominent college players putting up stats because no one has finished their evaluations and no one knows s***. By the time scout season came around Love wasn't highly regarded at all. This happens every, single, college season. Herbert was the 2019 1.01 last November 1st as well. having an additional knee surgery is not a positive.

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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:02 pm

Krypto_King wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:52 pm
Ice wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:24 am
Krypto_King wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:40 pm


who is the last player to miss over 12 months from an ACL? Washington has been down to 5th string at RB most of the year and Love has never even been mentioned.
Love was never drafted with 2019 in mind. In fact many teams felt he would need an additional surgery on his knee which I think Happened.

The goal for this player was 2020.

People forget he was a 1st / 2nd round NFL prospect prior to his injury. His draft stock fell to round 4 due to injury.

He was a stash player which isn’t all that uncommon for NFL teams rebuilding their rosters.

The team will find out if they struck gold in 2020.

I recently acquired him for a 3rd next season because I felt he would be okay. Too soon to know for sure but if he comes back 100% it will be a good deal most likely.
he was a 1st/2nd round prospect prior to mouthpieces talking to actual scouts. November is the time to hype prominent college players putting up stats because no one has finished their evaluations and no one knows s***. By the time scout season came around Love wasn't highly regarded at all. This happens every, single, college season. Herbert was the 2019 1.01 last November 1st as well. having an additional knee surgery is not a positive.
If he was drafted in the 4th coming off an ACL, and a year that would be a write off, chances are he was at worst a 3rd round grade from some teams. Regardless, he's going to get a shot. AP isn't going to be around forever, and Guice can't stay on the field.
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Servo » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:45 pm

You wouldn't think that WAS drafts an RB "early" in the draft but who knows. Thompson + Smallwood are also FA in 2020.

I think, as long as they don't draft/resign, then you should try to add Love everywhere as a throw in piece on trades.

Guice and Kerryon getting hurt in consecutive years, and a supposed, "deep" RB class incoming....man...I dunno how much I want these guys on my roster.
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby FantasyFreak » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:51 pm

Servo wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:45 pm
You wouldn't think that WAS drafts an RB "early" in the draft but who knows. Thompson + Smallwood are also FA in 2020.

I think, as long as they don't draft/resign, then you should try to add Love everywhere as a throw in piece on trades.

Guice and Kerryon getting hurt in consecutive years, and a supposed, "deep" RB class incoming....man...I dunno how much I want these guys on my roster.
Amazing how a year changes so much. This off season, plenty of people wanted KJ over Jacobs/1.01.
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 2:07 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:51 pm
Servo wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:45 pm
You wouldn't think that WAS drafts an RB "early" in the draft but who knows. Thompson + Smallwood are also FA in 2020.

I think, as long as they don't draft/resign, then you should try to add Love everywhere as a throw in piece on trades.

Guice and Kerryon getting hurt in consecutive years, and a supposed, "deep" RB class incoming....man...I dunno how much I want these guys on my roster.
Amazing how a year changes so much. This off season, plenty of people wanted KJ over Jacobs/1.01.
Guilty. I traded 1.01 for Kerryon.
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Johnny B. Goode » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:57 pm

Love dropped because of his play, ACL injury, and his knee was way worse than coaches realized.
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Quit acting like it was a run of the mill ACL tear... it wasn't.

He also needed another surgery about 2 months ago...
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:19 pm

Johnny B. Goode wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:57 pm
Love dropped because of his play, ACL injury, and his knee was way worse than coaches realized.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ning-teams

Quit acting like it was a run of the mill ACL tear... it wasn't.

He also needed another surgery about 2 months ago...
I'm expecting Love to have a career more like Lattimore, rather than coming back and challenging for the starting job in 2020. But Guice's injury history is concerning. Going to be following his offseason closely. See if he's able to participate in OTA's, mini-camp, training camp, and the pre-season without getting hurt yet again. If not, I'll be bailing out.
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Johnny B. Goode » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:18 pm

Shoreline Steamers wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:19 pm
Johnny B. Goode wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:57 pm
Love dropped because of his play, ACL injury, and his knee was way worse than coaches realized.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ning-teams

Quit acting like it was a run of the mill ACL tear... it wasn't.

He also needed another surgery about 2 months ago...
I'm expecting Love to have a career more like Lattimore, rather than coming back and challenging for the starting job in 2020. But Guice's injury history is concerning. Going to be following his offseason closely. See if he's able to participate in OTA's, mini-camp, training camp, and the pre-season without getting hurt yet again. If not, I'll be bailing out.
His sprain doesnt concern me. One could explain all 3 of his injuries pretty easily. He was a high risk for a reinjury one year after his acl surgery. Hes a great buy low, but unfortunately his owners arent selling him low... I'm trying to buy
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Servo » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:57 pm

Shoreline Steamers wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:19 pm
I'm expecting Love to have a career more like Lattimore, rather than coming back and challenging for the starting job in 2020. But Guice's injury history is concerning. Going to be following his offseason closely. See if he's able to participate in OTA's, mini-camp, training camp, and the pre-season without getting hurt yet again. If not, I'll be bailing out.
Lol, Lattimore never played a down in the NFL...and also tore every ligament and had nerve damage. As far as I know, Love's injury was, in no way, that severe. The second surgery also never sounded like a "set-back".

Trust me, I get the reservations...but if WAS doesn't draft another RB or resign someone come April/May...I think he'd be a very solid guy to try and get added to a trade. It's not like Love failing to materialize is going to kill your team.

To provide context, I took Love at 3.10 and here are some other guys drafted after him:

- Riley Ridley
- Pollard
- Snell
- Stidham
- Mattison
- Gaskin
- Darwin
- Ozigbo
- Knox
- Armstead

Today? I'd still probably take the chance on the guy who rushed for 2,000 yards and could have been a high draft pick. You could make the argument that Pollard + Mattison would be better choices but they're both just high-quality backups at this point.

Funny enough, the 6th RD of our draft had: Preston Williams, Slayton + Renfrow. Probably the "best" 6th RD hit rate in recent memory.
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:26 pm

Servo wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:57 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:19 pm
I'm expecting Love to have a career more like Lattimore, rather than coming back and challenging for the starting job in 2020. But Guice's injury history is concerning. Going to be following his offseason closely. See if he's able to participate in OTA's, mini-camp, training camp, and the pre-season without getting hurt yet again. If not, I'll be bailing out.
Lol, Lattimore never played a down in the NFL...and also tore every ligament and had nerve damage. As far as I know, Love's injury was, in no way, that severe. The second surgery also never sounded like a "set-back".

Trust me, I get the reservations...but if WAS doesn't draft another RB or resign someone come April/May...I think he'd be a very solid guy to try and get added to a trade. It's not like Love failing to materialize is going to kill your team.

To provide context, I took Love at 3.10 and here are some other guys drafted after him:

- Riley Ridley
- Pollard
- Snell
- Stidham
- Mattison
- Gaskin
- Darwin
- Ozigbo
- Knox
- Armstead

Today? I'd still probably take the chance on the guy who rushed for 2,000 yards and could have been a high draft pick. You could make the argument that Pollard + Mattison would be better choices but they're both just high-quality backups at this point.

Funny enough, the 6th RD of our draft had: Preston Williams, Slayton + Renfrow. Probably the "best" 6th RD hit rate in recent memory.
I realize the severity of Lattimor's injury, and how Love's differs. My point was more that you're looking at a redshirt rookie who required a 2nd surgery on his knee before he's even been able to get on the field. He also wasn't performing as well in 2018 as he had in 2017 (though injuries played a role). Due to performance and injury issues he fell in the draft. He could have been a high draft pick, but wasn't. Draft capital is likely to factor into his future.

If he comes back healthy and shows some of the burst and ability of year's past, sure, he'll probably get a shot. But there will also be a new coach and front office in Washington next year, and they're not the group that drafted him. That's always somewhat concerning, as new staff's tend to want to bring in "their guys".

For the price you paid, if Love comes back and is productive you've got a steal on your hands. If not, it's not as if you burned a premium pick by taking a chance on him. I'm just not as optimistic about him as you are moving forward. But would be happy if things do work out for the guy.
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby Goirish374 » Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:56 am

My initial read on Rivera is a massive plus for Guice...thoughts?
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Re: Release the Guice!

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:08 pm

Goirish374 wrote:
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My initial read on Rivera is a massive plus for Guice...thoughts?
If he's the #1 RB sure, but he may decide he wants someone else. Even though he's had very limited opportunities due to all the missed time, I don't think it can be denied he's shown he can be a high end RB in this league if his knees will just hold up, but he very well might never get that opportunity.


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