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Re: Release the guice

Postby Phaded » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:39 pm

ninotoreS wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:13 pm
Phaded wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:26 pm Too bad the Redskins offense is going to be horrid. Guice is nothing more than an RB3 or desperation flex at best.
If he gets 20 touches a week, he won't be just an RB3 even if the O-line struggles to run-block.

If.

In the SEC, Guice was the kind of plus speed-score bully runner that was a threat to break a home run every time he got sprung with one good second level block. Give a guy like Guice enough volume, and even on days with tough sledding, he's a decent bet to save his box-score with one or two chunk plays.
I don't care what running backs did in college, running in college football is "easy" because of the consistently poor defensive play and massive holes created.

I don't think Guice is talented enough to overcome the struggles Washington will have and people will struggle with the decision of whether or not he should be in their lineup each week.

20 touches is optimistic, so I understand why you emphasized if but owners should not expect much fantasy production this year.

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Re: Release the guice

Postby killer_of_giants » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:26 am

Phaded wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:39 pm I don't think Guice is talented enough to overcome the struggles Washington will have and people will struggle with the decision of whether or not he should be in their lineup each week.
not me, my other running backs are bleep garbage!

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Re: Release the guice

Postby dipANDglide » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:47 pm

Phaded wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:26 pm Too bad the Redskins offense is going to be horrid. Guice is nothing more than an RB3 or desperation flex at best.
Guice will be an RB2 if he gets 3rd down work.

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Re: Release the guice

Postby thebeast » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:59 am

dipANDglide wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:47 pm
Phaded wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:26 pm Too bad the Redskins offense is going to be horrid. Guice is nothing more than an RB3 or desperation flex at best.
Guice will be an RB2 if he gets 3rd down work.
I’m projecting he will end the season as a RB1 and will be a first round startup pick next year. He was the 2nd best back out of last years class and I think his talent is isn’t that far from Barkley

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Re: Release the guice

Postby bjd5211 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:16 am

thebeast wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:59 am
dipANDglide wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:47 pm
Phaded wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:26 pm Too bad the Redskins offense is going to be horrid. Guice is nothing more than an RB3 or desperation flex at best.
Guice will be an RB2 if he gets 3rd down work.
I’m projecting he will end the season as a RB1 and will be a first round startup pick next year. He was the 2nd best back out of last years class and I think his talent is isn’t that far from Barkley
I wouldnt go quite that far, but I did have Guice in tier 2 by himself in last years class. Looking forward to finally seeing him in action and wish I had more than one share.

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Re: Release the guice

Postby Huh » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:26 am

bjd5211 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:16 am
thebeast wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:59 am
dipANDglide wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:47 pm

Guice will be an RB2 if he gets 3rd down work.
I’m projecting he will end the season as a RB1 and will be a first round startup pick next year. He was the 2nd best back out of last years class and I think his talent is isn’t that far from Barkley
I wouldnt go quite that far, but I did have Guice in tier 2 by himself in last years class. Looking forward to finally seeing him in action and wish I had more than one share.
It wasn’t an unpopular opinion that guice was a better pure rusher than Barkley. Barkleys David Johnson level receiving chops and athleticism elevated him to generational talent.

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Re: Release the guice

Postby ninotoreS » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:06 pm

Guice runs angrier than Barkley, and pairs it with similar breakaway ability at the second level. But I agree completely with the above post -- it can't be understated how valuable it is that Barkley basically has slot-receiver hands and movement in a bellcow feature-back body. Barkley is the hyper ideal modern running-back.
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Re: Release the guice

Postby ninotoreS » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:26 am

Rap claiming Peterson will be inactive today.

If so, Guice has to be considered at least an RB2, even in today's bad matchup. He should be in play for 20 touches if AP is truly not dressing. Skins will need to run the ball as much as they can, both for ball-control and bc they simply don't have the pass-game weapons to rely on that to move the chains.

I think Thompson is a sneaky great flex play, if Peterson is inactive, particularly in this matchup. If Philly blows out Wash, he could definitely outproduce Guice.

I have to wonder if Peterson had a bad camp, and it went unreported bc he's an old vet and so reporters weren't paying attention.
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Re: Release the guice

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:00 am

I worry the game script won't be there for him unless he plays significantly on passing downs. The first game is tough to predict, but if Philadelphia is as great as everyone believes, Washington won't be running the ball successfully...or much at all

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Re: Release the guice

Postby Phaded » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:04 am

I agree that Thompson is a sneaky flex play as I think game script would be hard to keep Guice on field as also said above.

I would not be surprised if the Skins offense is held to 10 points or less today.

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Re: Release the guice

Postby Huh » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:43 am

I’m as big a guice truther as you’ll find and I’m taking the timid approach this week. Matchup stinks and I have better options this week so not much to think about. I do think the sky is the limit for this guy so everyone should have been buying when I was making a stink two months ago. Window closed.

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Re: Release the guice

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:11 pm

Well, tough sledding. He's going to have a tough time in this offense. Window is not closed.
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Re: Release the guice

Postby Phaded » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:52 pm

I was wrong about the 10 points but outside those two long TDs this offense is ugly.

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Re: Release the guice

Postby Huh » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:29 pm

Didn’t see the game. Box score is ugly though he did catch a few. So that’s nice.

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Re: Release the guice

Postby Huh » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:45 am

Holy crap! Just looked at their schedule and Washington plays a who’s who of presumed tough defenses good teams just about every game. I’ll continue my timid approach for the time being, but remain enthusiastic about his long term potential. They might push the dolphins for that number one pick.


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