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Re: Guice

Postby ajf235 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:31 pm

Brady, J.J. Watt and Gronk all have suffered from Staph infections to come back and play at a high level, albeit these guys are each all-time greats. But there are also countless examples of players whose careers ended prematurely because of stuff like this. Only time will tell if Guice is okay, but it’s good news that at least it sounds like the infection is behind him. Regardless, I think Washington needs to strongly re-evaluate their medical staff.

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Re: Guice

Postby M-Dub » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:35 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:41 am
thebeast wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:47 am
XxBallMeBlazerxX wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:51 am


That’s good and all but how is he going to hold up on the field? Late in the game? Late in the season? Football is played on the field, not in the weight room. I have a feeling injuries are going to plague his career. I sold him earlier in the season.
Lol!
Why is this funny? He has a point. What a guy looks like in the gym is pretty irrelevant. Guice has had 2 straight years of knee issues, and combined with his running style, I think being concerned about injuries in his career is valid.
I realize you weren’t asking me, but I have a different answer than thebeast. I think any fantasy analysis that begins with “I have a feeling” is inherently laughable.
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Re: Guice

Postby captain howdy » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:26 pm

M-Dub wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:35 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:41 am
thebeast wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:47 am

Lol!
Why is this funny? He has a point. What a guy looks like in the gym is pretty irrelevant. Guice has had 2 straight years of knee issues, and combined with his running style, I think being concerned about injuries in his career is valid.
I realize you weren’t asking me, but I have a different answer than thebeast. I think any fantasy analysis that begins with “I have a feeling” is inherently laughable.

Its funny bc the guy sold guice...of course he'd have that opinion.

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Re: Guice

Postby ninotoreS » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:13 pm

The infection doesn't impact Guice's prognosis in terms of athletic recovery, because it has no bearing on the ligament repair itself.

It could negatively impact his preparation for '19 because of the delay to starting his rehab. However, the same reporter that broke the story in the Wash Post is also reporting that Guice still plans to be ready for OTAs, so it may be much ado about nothing.

My entire family works in healthcare; my sister and mother are nurses (BSN). Staph infections after surgery are common. So long as it isn't MRSA, staph infections aren't a big deal if they're promptly treated. Guice successfully treated his with antibiotics, so evidently it wasn't MRSA.

Unless there's more unreported facts to this situation, Guice is fine and y'all don't need to worry.
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Re: Guice

Postby XxBallMeBlazerxX » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:14 pm

thebeast wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:31 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:41 am
thebeast wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:47 am

Lol!
Why is this funny? He has a point. What a guy looks like in the gym is pretty irrelevant. Guice has had 2 straight years of knee issues, and combined with his running style, I think being concerned about injuries in his career is valid.
It's funny because the guys writes his analysis and basically states he is rooting against the guy because he traded him earlier... I mean this whole forum has become 'I have this guy so he's great' vs 'I don't own him or sold him so he will suck'. It's lame.

Back to the point, saying what a guy looks like in the gym is irrelevant doesn't make sense. You look for progress and health with guys who have been injured so I think it is very relevant that he is in the gym and looking good. What is more irrelevant is the news cycle picking up an infection story weeks after the fact and everyone reacting to that without any additional context.
I never said I was rooting against him. If it came off like that then my bad. I hope Guice makes a full recovery and returns 100%. The odds are against him though. For every one player that has come back 100% from a torn acl, there is a good handful who didn’t. I drafted Guice with the intention of keeping him and hoping for the best or trading him if I got good value. I just happened to get an offer for what I think was good value. I rather put my chips elsewhere than on an unproven rookie coming back from an acl tear and who has a history of being injured.

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Re: Guice

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:21 pm

XxBallMeBlazerxX wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:14 pm
thebeast wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:31 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:41 am


Why is this funny? He has a point. What a guy looks like in the gym is pretty irrelevant. Guice has had 2 straight years of knee issues, and combined with his running style, I think being concerned about injuries in his career is valid.
It's funny because the guys writes his analysis and basically states he is rooting against the guy because he traded him earlier... I mean this whole forum has become 'I have this guy so he's great' vs 'I don't own him or sold him so he will suck'. It's lame.

Back to the point, saying what a guy looks like in the gym is irrelevant doesn't make sense. You look for progress and health with guys who have been injured so I think it is very relevant that he is in the gym and looking good. What is more irrelevant is the news cycle picking up an infection story weeks after the fact and everyone reacting to that without any additional context.
I never said I was rooting against him. If it came off like that then my bad. I hope Guice makes a full recovery and returns 100%. The odds are against him though. For every one player that has come back 100% from a torn acl, there is a good handful who didn’t. I drafted Guice with the intention of keeping him and hoping for the best or trading him if I got good value. I just happened to get an offer for what I think was good value. I rather put my chips elsewhere than on an unproven rookie coming back from an acl tear and who has a history of being injured.
Yeah. I figured you sold because you saw a trend developing, or interpreted that as such, and made a decision. I would rather have 1.02 and a 2020 first at this point myself. I was always down on Guice more than the consensus, had him at 1.04 behind Penny and Chubb because of his desire to invite contact. I still like his situation in Washington, and I stand by my evaluation of Penny, but I hate his situation. If Guice can get back to 100 percent, he should have the workhorse role in Washington, but I too, fear he will be plagued by injuries. We all want to win at FF, but not at the expense of people suffering. We have to remember that sometimes, and it's cool that you clarified.

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Re: Guice

Postby DLF3000 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:59 am

Like I suspected before this not-great news, he might need more time before he plays at a high level in 2019. Weeks, a few months into the season, neither would surprise me.

Lots of patience required here, which is tough when you spend such a high pick, but that's football - especially with the chaos that is RB. Still like him, still holding.
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Re: Guice

Postby Valhalla » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:09 am

ninotoreS wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:13 pm
The infection doesn't impact Guice's prognosis in terms of athletic recovery, because it has no bearing on the ligament repair itself.

It could negatively impact his preparation for '19 because of the delay to starting his rehab. However, the same reporter that broke the story in the Wash Post is also reporting that Guice still plans to be ready for OTAs, so it may be much ado about nothing.

My entire family works in healthcare; my sister and mother are nurses (BSN). Staph infections after surgery are common. So long as it isn't MRSA, staph infections aren't a big deal if they're promptly treated. Guice successfully treated his with antibiotics, so evidently it wasn't MRSA.

Unless there's more unreported facts to this situation, Guice is fine and y'all don't need to worry.
Bacterial infections in the joints DO cause earlier breakdown of the cartilage...
I'm not sure which of your healthcare family members is telling you otherwise, but three months of "heavy dosage antibiotics" and a few additional (from what I can find "unidentified" or "not released to public") procedures makes me skeptical that there was no additional damage done.

Maybe not, though. Maybe the bacterial infection stayed very low grade the whole time and didn't really affect the cartilage surfaces.

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Re: Guice

Postby ArrylT » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:41 pm

http://www.wbrz.com/news/former-lsu-sta ... s-hospital

Not fantasy related - but just a nice story.
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Re: Guice

Postby ninotoreS » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:23 am

Valhalla wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:09 am
Bacterial infections in the joints DO cause earlier breakdown of the cartilage...
If left untreated, yes. I said this.

You're talking about septic arthritis. Permanent damage if ignored, and the patient just has to recover from the infection with his or her own immune system.

It was not ignored with Guice. Dr. Andrews would be pretty sh*t at his job if it was, since Staph lives on your skin and commonly gets inside a surgery site, so it's something he monitors for and deals with literally every post-op.
I'm not sure which of your healthcare family members is telling you otherwise, but three months of "heavy dosage antibiotics" and a few additional (from what I can find "unidentified" or "not released to public") procedures makes me skeptical that there was no additional damage done.
Really? Cuz, ya know, I clearly stated which ones right there in the post. :roll:

You would be wise to defer to the knowledge of people who have jobs that directly involve monitoring the convalescence of patients post-op, instead of clumsily insinuating their incompetence on the basis of nothing but your layman assumptions.

Anyway. I'm a paramedic. I deal with the near-term. So admittedly this is second hand knowledge for me, too. I think my second-hand source represents a little bit more objective value than your armchair skepticism, though. Hope this helps.
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Re: Guice

Postby juke05 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:15 am

has there been a rookie who's had a worse string of bad luck to start their career? first, he falls in the draft because of some alleged argument during an interview with the Eagles (which appears to be not actually true), then tears his ACL in preseason, and now this infection...really rooting for him because a) he's on my fantasy team, but b) he genuinely seems like a good dude

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Re: Guice

Postby Reljac » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:22 am

Try to find an owner who's worried. Certainly worth any risk if you can buy low.
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Re: Guice

Postby ninotoreS » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:44 am

juke05 wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:15 am
has there been a rookie who's had a worse string of bad luck to start their career? first, he falls in the draft because of some alleged argument during an interview with the Eagles (which appears to be not actually true)
His draft fall is overstated. We're still talking about an RB taken in the 2nd round of a very deep RB class for a pro league that devalues the RB position.

NFL history is very optimistic regarding RBs drafted at age 20 in the 2nd round or earlier.
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Re: Guice

Postby juke05 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:58 am

ninotoreS wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:44 am
juke05 wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:15 am
has there been a rookie who's had a worse string of bad luck to start their career? first, he falls in the draft because of some alleged argument during an interview with the Eagles (which appears to be not actually true)
His draft fall is overstated. We're still talking about an RB taken in the 2nd round of a very deep RB class for a pro league that devalues the RB position.

NFL history is very optimistic regarding RBs drafted at age 20 in the 2nd round or earlier.
Rashaad Penny's contract is worth over $10 million...Guice's is $4.5 million. If that happened to me over some B/S made-up argument, I would be pretty salty

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Re: Guice

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:02 am

juke05 wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:58 am
ninotoreS wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:44 am
juke05 wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:15 am
has there been a rookie who's had a worse string of bad luck to start their career? first, he falls in the draft because of some alleged argument during an interview with the Eagles (which appears to be not actually true)
His draft fall is overstated. We're still talking about an RB taken in the 2nd round of a very deep RB class for a pro league that devalues the RB position.

NFL history is very optimistic regarding RBs drafted at age 20 in the 2nd round or earlier.
Rashaad Penny's contract is worth over $10 million...Guice's is $4.5 million. If that happened to me over some B/S made-up argument, I would be pretty salty
Except that it's very rarely BS. There were also some teams who didn't have Guice as high as draft pundits. There is so much that goes into the draft process, and so much we don't know, to say it was contrived, is a bit ignorant. We simply don't know what teams dug up in their independent research of a player.


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