My top 24 at each position (WRs)

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My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby JoshGordonsDealer » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:42 pm

Analysis in parantheses.

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Tier 1 (No-questions asked studs)
1. Mike Evans (Stud, young, no questions)
2. OBJ (See Mike Evans)
3. Nuk Hopkins (See OBJ)
Tier 2 (Studs, but with a small concern)
4. Antonio Brown (Stud, catches everything, age a concern, but no signs of slowing down yet)
5. Michael Thomas (Passes the eye test, passes the stats test. I do think a Brees retirement could hurt his production, but I also think that Brees will play for at least 1-2 more years)
6. Julio Jones (I'm confident the offense will fully regain it's rhythm, though I think Julio falls off hard in 2-3 years)
7. AJG (As dominant as ever, but he's bound to start slowing down soon)
Tier 3 (I think these guys will be long-term studs, but I wouldn't gamble on it)
8. Amari Cooper (Don't get me wrong, this season has been concerning, but I don't think we've seen Cooper's last 1k yard season)
9. Tyreek Hill (I'm all in on Tyfreek. He's pure electric and one of only a few players who can score any time they touch the ball)
10. Brandin Cooks (NE is scary for skill players, but there will be more boom weeks than bust weeks)
11. Stefon Diggs (Injuries are a concern, but when healthy, he's produced regardless of QB)
12. TY Hilton (Regardless of QB, I think TY will be back in form next year. He's shown that he's still got it a couple of times)
13. Keenan Allen (Lack of 2017 TDs is a bummer, but Keenan is just as technically great as he ever was. More importantly, he's been healthy)
Tier 4 (I don't like these guys as my WR1, I love them as my WR2 on any team)
14. Sammy Watkins (Obviously don't want him if I'm competing, but Sammy will either be more active in LA next season, or be on a team paying him to be a WR1. He stands to shoot up the list)
15. Allen Robinson (He'll be back. He'll be paid to be the WR1 somewhere)
16. Corey Davis (Slow start is a bummer, but another offseason with Mariota should be great for him)
17. Davante Adams (he'll be fine or better than before with Rodgers back)
18. Alshon (Slow start to the season [look at his CB matchups], and not young anymore, but Alshon is paired with a young QB. Where he signs longterm could change this ranking)
Tier 5 (Depending on situation, these WRs are a solid investment)
19. Dez Bryant (Not the focal point of the offense, but he'll continue to produce for a couple years. I don't want him on a rebuilding squad)
20. DeVante Parker (I think he has the tools to be a legit WR1, but he's got to put it together. Phins offense isn't doing him favors. I'm buying for a rebuilding squad)
21. Jarvis Landry (PPR monster, but is he the most system/target reliant WR in the NFL? Phins offense isn't doing him favors. I'm buying for a rebuilding squad)
22. Michael Crabtree (A competitors dream. Cheaper than he should be, just keeps producing)
23. Golden Tate (See Michael Crabtree, minus a little consistency)
24. Kelvin Benjamin (Who knows what the hell is going on in Buffalo. I'm buying, though, as he has a chance to be a WR1)

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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby jaykay22 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:36 pm

I like the list overall, but Landry at 21 is a criminal offense. Seeing Parker above him makes me nauseous (to be fair I'm probably lower on Parker than most and higher on Landry than most). I'd put ARob at 14, Davis at 15, Adams at 16 and Landry at 17. Watkins is in tier 5 for me until he just puts up more points (as much as he's barely been getting targets in LA).
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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby KCLep20 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:45 pm

Love the list, but where's DT? He's clearly a top 25 WR.
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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby Sterling Archer » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:13 pm

I like the list. Thanks for posting it. Just a few comments:
I'm not as high on Nuk. He was the beneficiary of an unsustainable stretch by a rookie QB. I expect both to come back to earth next year.
I agree Brees will play for a few more years, but there's a decent chance it's not with the Saints. I think he makes Thomas more than Thomas helps him.
I don't see it with Cooks. Seems like a nice NFL WR2. On pace for 69/1132/5. Can get that production much cheaper.
Same sentiment for Adams as Thomas. I think Adams is a FA and he will not look good without Rodgers throwing him the ball. Ted Thompson too smart to throw money at this guy to keep him.
Alshon isn't really lighting it up despite getting plenty of targets and Wentz lighting it up. He's a FA and his next stop will likely be less promising than Philly's offense.
I'm not a Parker OR Landry fan. Landry is a FA and will undoubtedly see a sharp decrease in targets which will hurt since he's purely a volume player. Almost worthless in non-PPR.

Guys missing:
I see no problem with the exclusion of DT. He's an aging deep threat on a bad offense.
Theilin has probably earned a spot on here somewhere, but he's already 27.
Two broken hands has not scared me off Corey Coleman, but I can't seem to buy him anywhere. I think he's top 20.
I'd probably put Sterling Shepard above Parker and Landry, but I might have some recency bias after last week.
Fringe players/don't know where they belong: Robert Woods, Marvin Jones, Edelman, Ross, Moncrief.

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Postby joeya2001 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:26 pm

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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby StableOfRBs » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:36 pm

Sterling Archer wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:13 pm
I like the list. Thanks for posting it. Just a few comments:
I'm not as high on Nuk. He was the beneficiary of an unsustainable stretch by a rookie QB. I expect both to come back to earth next year.
I agree Brees will play for a few more years, but there's a decent chance it's not with the Saints. I think he makes Thomas more than Thomas helps him.
I don't see it with Cooks. Seems like a nice NFL WR2. On pace for 69/1132/5. Can get that production much cheaper.
Same sentiment for Adams as Thomas. I think Adams is a FA and he will not look good without Rodgers throwing him the ball. Ted Thompson too smart to throw money at this guy to keep him.
Alshon isn't really lighting it up despite getting plenty of targets and Wentz lighting it up. He's a FA and his next stop will likely be less promising than Philly's offense.
I'm not a Parker OR Landry fan. Landry is a FA and will undoubtedly see a sharp decrease in targets which will hurt since he's purely a volume player. Almost worthless in non-PPR.

Guys missing:
I see no problem with the exclusion of DT. He's an aging deep threat on a bad offense.
Theilin has probably earned a spot on here somewhere, but he's already 27.
Two broken hands has not scared me off Corey Coleman, but I can't seem to buy him anywhere. I think he's top 20.
I'd probably put Sterling Shepard above Parker and Landry, but I might have some recency bias after last week.
Fringe players/don't know where they belong: Robert Woods, Marvin Jones, Edelman, Ross, Moncrief.
He's on pace to finish with 85 catches and 1000 yards for the 6th year in a row, I'd find it very hard to exclude him from this list, he's 30 this year but should be a WR2 for 3 more years considering how well he's done the past couple with such bad QB play
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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby Balzac » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:38 pm

Sterling Archer wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:13 pm
I like the list. Thanks for posting it. Just a few comments:
I'm not as high on Nuk. He was the beneficiary of an unsustainable stretch by a rookie QB. I expect both to come back to earth next year.
I agree Brees will play for a few more years, but there's a decent chance it's not with the Saints. I think he makes Thomas more than Thomas helps him.
I don't see it with Cooks. Seems like a nice NFL WR2. On pace for 69/1132/5. Can get that production much cheaper.
Same sentiment for Adams as Thomas. I think Adams is a FA and he will not look good without Rodgers throwing him the ball. Ted Thompson too smart to throw money at this guy to keep him.
Alshon isn't really lighting it up despite getting plenty of targets and Wentz lighting it up. He's a FA and his next stop will likely be less promising than Philly's offense.
I'm not a Parker OR Landry fan. Landry is a FA and will undoubtedly see a sharp decrease in targets which will hurt since he's purely a volume player. Almost worthless in non-PPR.

Guys missing:
I see no problem with the exclusion of DT. He's an aging deep threat on a bad offense.
Theilin has probably earned a spot on here somewhere, but he's already 27.
Two broken hands has not scared me off Corey Coleman, but I can't seem to buy him anywhere. I think he's top 20.
I'd probably put Sterling Shepard above Parker and Landry, but I might have some recency bias after last week.
Fringe players/don't know where they belong: Robert Woods, Marvin Jones, Edelman, Ross, Moncrief.
Holy hell! First he isn't any good because of the volume. Now he isn't any good because he had a rookie QB throwing to him?!?!?!

Ya'll craw! Nuk is a top 5 WR and there is literally no debating that.
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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby Goddard » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:41 pm

I can't believe you of all people left out Josh Gordon!

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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby Sterling Archer » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:59 pm

Balzac wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:38 pm
Nuk is a top 5 WR and there is literally no debating that.
I bet there will be in about 12 months...

But you mention volume - he's on pace for like 190 targets :shock: FWIW, just about anybody is a top 5 WR in PPR if they're #1 in targets.

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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby Goddard » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:05 pm

Sterling Archer wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:59 pm
Balzac wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:38 pm
Nuk is a top 5 WR and there is literally no debating that.
I bet there will be in about 12 months...

But you mention volume - he's on pace for like 190 targets :shock: FWIW, just about anybody is a top 5 WR in PPR if they're #1 in targets.
Players usually get high volume targets for a reason, and it's not because they aren't good.

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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby JoshGordonsDealer » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:22 pm

Goddard wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:41 pm
I can't believe you of all people left out Josh Gordon!
trust me, it was tough.

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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby TheChicken » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:24 pm

As per usual in these cases it is those missing that piques interest more than the ranking of those that are not.

Doug Baldwin seems incongruous in his absence is both the top 24 listed and dispatches since.
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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby Bot101 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:59 pm

Is Tyreek Hill above Stephon Diggs a common opinion? Seems a little hot takish to me.

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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby Sterling Archer » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:02 pm

Goddard wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:05 pm
Sterling Archer wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:59 pm
Balzac wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:38 pm
Nuk is a top 5 WR and there is literally no debating that.
I bet there will be in about 12 months...

But you mention volume - he's on pace for like 190 targets :shock: FWIW, just about anybody is a top 5 WR in PPR if they're #1 in targets.
Players usually get high volume targets for a reason, and it's not because they aren't good.
Usually, but not always. That's why it's good to take a closer look and figure out if it is a trend that is sustainable. I'm going to take the under on 160 targets for Hopkins in 2018.

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Re: My top 24 at each position (WRs)

Postby FiremanEd » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:20 pm

Whether the current volume is sustainable or not, the real question is what is he as a talent, age, and situation? Obviously if the targets drop to a level that leaves it unsustainable to be a WR1 that is different, but I don't think targets will be an issue even if they do drop. As a player, are guys you'd put ahead of him better off to validate moving him lower? I guess i just fail to see why people focus on Hopkins with so many of these takes. The guy is a baller. He has everything I want and now he appears to have a QB. Drop the targets a bit, he's still a WR1.

I suppose rather than hear about why Nuk should be dropped, how about opinion on who should pass him to justify it (as if 1-2 spots in rankings actually means anything...). Is it AB and Julio? If so I think we can agree on understanding why they are below. The age debate is a long one. AJG falls into the same bucket. It can't be anyone from Tier 3 IMO, so that leaves Michael Thomas. I don't think he's the better player, he has the older QB, and the 9.5 months age difference doesn't do much to change my opinion.

Barring Brock, Nuk seems like as safe an asset as you can get, with big time upside. I personally feel his ranking is justified and would be interested to hear who should be above him, not just commentary on how he can't sustain the far and away WR1 rank he's putting up with the current volume, which leaves room to drop and still be 'elite'.

Appreciate the list being posted for good discussion. Nice job. I will comment on the other rankings later, but will note that Sammy Watkins scares the crap out of me. I would be scared putting him above #20 right now based on floor and ceiling.


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