Rookie Rankings
Re: Rookie Rankings
Hunt has to be No 1 if we're only going off these three games. I think several rookies have looked good though
1. Hunt
2. Fournette
3. Cook
4. Davis (looked amazing in Week 1, but he's already a threat to be an injury Bust)
5. CMC
6. Maybe Mixon by default, hard to rule for or against him at this point
After that it's a crapshoot, you can argue for guys with pedigree who haven't yet played/gotten opportuinty, or you can say guys like Chris Carson or Cohen need to fly up rankings. Either way I'm staying out of that mess until more games have been played
1. Hunt
2. Fournette
3. Cook
4. Davis (looked amazing in Week 1, but he's already a threat to be an injury Bust)
5. CMC
6. Maybe Mixon by default, hard to rule for or against him at this point
After that it's a crapshoot, you can argue for guys with pedigree who haven't yet played/gotten opportuinty, or you can say guys like Chris Carson or Cohen need to fly up rankings. Either way I'm staying out of that mess until more games have been played
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RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave
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RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
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Re: Rookie Rankings
I am guessing the fact he pretty much had one good run and a bunch of nothing else for the most part. Not all his fault by any means as they seemed to get penetration and pressure on the QB for a good chunk of the game. Stats did not end up terrible like you said. 12/64 is decent.Space Cowboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:20 amNitpicking here but how is 12/64 for cook a bad game?sammyz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:44 am I think it's important now that they we know a bit more about their situations that we take into account the context of their play. Hunt has obviously been phenomenal, but I suspect Cook, CMC or Fournette would be seeing similar production in his spot. Fournette has produced at a much higher level than people gave him a chance for going into this season. Cook had a terrible game in there but two great performances, fair to blame the second game on the entire offense though. CMC had a bit of a slow start (which we expected) but that last game just...wow, he's the best receiver on the team by a pretty fair margin to my eyes. If Cam were playing well I think he's the one we'd all be looking at as one of the top options.
Also, not that they haven't been ugly, but I think Deshone Kizer is putting up WAY more fantasy points than anyone expected so far.
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Re: Rookie Rankings
Really? Engram who is not going to lose his spot for a long time and is getting better and better is gonna be in the same tier as guys like Mike Williams, John Ross, OJ Howard and Foreman?jtd1387 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:32 am Top 15ish rookies for me (off the top of my head - primarily play PPR):
*** Tier 1 ***
Fournette
Hunt
Cook
*** Tier 2 *** (more like 1.5 - much closer to tier 1 than tier 3)
Davis
CMC
Mixon
*** Tier 3 ***
Kamara
Cohen
Engram
Mike Williams
Ross
Foreman
Howard
Kupp
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Re: Rookie Rankings
Looking through this thread it surprised me how fast people have moved Hunt up their board. Which got me to wonder:
How many people that are currently ranking Hunt as the #1 overall rookie are trying to trade Fournette (or Mixon, or Davis, or CMC, or Cook) to get him? Are the trade offer out, and what were the results?
Just curious.
How many people that are currently ranking Hunt as the #1 overall rookie are trying to trade Fournette (or Mixon, or Davis, or CMC, or Cook) to get him? Are the trade offer out, and what were the results?
Just curious.
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Lol, I see what you did there.rubber_duck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 am Looking through this thread it surprised me how fast people have moved Hunt up their board. Which got me to wonder:
How many people that are currently ranking Hunt as the #1 overall rookie are trying to trade Fournette (or Mixon, or Davis, or CMC, or Cook) to get him? Are the trade offer out, and what were the results?
Just curious.
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Re: Rookie Rankings
Why is this a surprise?rubber_duck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 am Looking through this thread it surprised me how fast people have moved Hunt up their board.
Re: Rookie Rankings
Not bad per se, but not necessarily what you hope to get out of your top 3 pick. Please note, I'm not worried about him, I have him and love him, but you'd have loved to see a bit more out of the gunSpace Cowboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:20 amNitpicking here but how is 12/64 for cook a bad game?sammyz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:44 am I think it's important now that they we know a bit more about their situations that we take into account the context of their play. Hunt has obviously been phenomenal, but I suspect Cook, CMC or Fournette would be seeing similar production in his spot. Fournette has produced at a much higher level than people gave him a chance for going into this season. Cook had a terrible game in there but two great performances, fair to blame the second game on the entire offense though. CMC had a bit of a slow start (which we expected) but that last game just...wow, he's the best receiver on the team by a pretty fair margin to my eyes. If Cam were playing well I think he's the one we'd all be looking at as one of the top options.
Also, not that they haven't been ugly, but I think Deshone Kizer is putting up WAY more fantasy points than anyone expected so far.
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Re: Rookie Rankings
Maybe because they have played only 3 games.Lotto4Life wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:14 amWhy is this a surprise?rubber_duck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 am Looking through this thread it surprised me how fast people have moved Hunt up their board.
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Re: Rookie Rankings
Sure, but a historically great 3 gamesZPalmtree wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:12 pmMaybe because they have played only 3 games.Lotto4Life wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:14 amWhy is this a surprise?rubber_duck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 am Looking through this thread it surprised me how fast people have moved Hunt up their board.
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Re: Rookie Rankings
I own Mixon & McCaffrey in one league. I'd trade either straight up for Hunt. I like his running style. Injuries are unpredicatable, but I am confident by the end of the year, Hunt will be the higher ranked player.rubber_duck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 am Looking through this thread it surprised me how fast people have moved Hunt up their board. Which got me to wonder:
How many people that are currently ranking Hunt as the #1 overall rookie are trying to trade Fournette (or Mixon, or Davis, or CMC, or Cook) to get him? Are the trade offer out, and what were the results?
Just curious.
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Re: Rookie Rankings
This, and the fact that we're basing these ranking off of the 3 games played. It's probably a flawed practice in itself but you can't be surprised that Hunt is the most highly ranked rookie at this point in time. It's the whole point of the threadlukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:14 pmSure, but a historically great 3 games
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QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave
QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
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Re: Rookie Rankings
Reljac, I'd give it a shot. Make the offer. You never know what the Hunt owner is thinking.Reljac wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:25 pmI own Mixon & McCaffrey in one league. I'd trade either straight up for Hunt. I like his running style. Injuries are unpredicatable, but I am confident by the end of the year, Hunt will be the higher ranked player.rubber_duck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 am Looking through this thread it surprised me how fast people have moved Hunt up their board. Which got me to wonder:
How many people that are currently ranking Hunt as the #1 overall rookie are trying to trade Fournette (or Mixon, or Davis, or CMC, or Cook) to get him? Are the trade offer out, and what were the results?
Just curious.
If you do, would you share the response?
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Sure, I put it out there. I'll let you know if I get a response, but owners in that league often just don't respond if they don't like a deal.
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2023: 1.01, 2.01
2024 early first, late first
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RB: Chubb, Stevenson, AJ Dillion
WR: AJ Brown, M Evans, M Williams, D London, C Olave, Jameson Williams, M Thomas
TE: D Njoku
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I don't laugh at many posts, but this one got me. Well done.
I can easily see the argument for having Hunt #1, if nothing else other than I think many owners would consider him to have the highest trade value. You could do what you want with him. Worst case you have great production. He's a RB1 week in and week out given how the Chiefs want to use him both run and pass.
I don't understand the 'more out of the gun' from Cook comment. Not at all. The three weeks are more than you expected, and if they aren't, your expectations were too high to begin with.
Mixon is taking the path we similarly should have expected. A backfield that needed to shape out, and an OL with many issues. It's how we go the back half of the season and beyond that will shape any change IMO.
Fournette has been status quo, if not better because he's catching some passes.
Davis looked very nice in his only game. If he was healthy and doing that people would be salivating.
Engram has looked very solid for a rookie TE. He's passable as a starter, which is rare. Eli and his future are the uncertainty. Engram could do more Marshall things than Marshall come later this season for all we know.
Cohen is officially a thing. The industry missed big here.
Kamara is expanding his role. I remember some questioning his landing spot off the bat, which seemed odd then, and more so now. His role will expand. Showing very well early.
Lots of positives overall, even from the QB class of which many were ripping on early, as if anyone truly has a pulse on QBs to begin with. Still lots of action still to come, as is the case with rookies, but early career expectations should be getting exceeded by many and will inevitably result in owners having reduced patience with those yet to show anything. A few more weeks and value buys will start creeping in already..
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