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Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby Bot101 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:53 pm

What is everyones thoughts on Higgins? Jake Ciely and Matt Harmon seem to be very high on him. And now he has the opportunity with Coleman out and Britt... falling on his own sword.

However his athletic profile leaves a lot to be desired across the board.

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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby Cameron Giles » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:05 pm

Elite athletic profiles are not necessary for WR's to have success (Brown, Cobb, Landry to name a few), though they can make a productive and skilled WR that much more appealing. There's so much more beyond athleticism that goes into the position.

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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby Bot101 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:09 pm

Of course I dont put a ton into athletic profiles. His was just shockingly low. I think a 4th percentile SPARQ score was just a bit shocking to see after I read his reception perception.

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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby Plank » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:13 pm

Hollywood... could be one of those possession bye week fill in types .. so clustered at WR in CLE its hard to decide on who to place a bet on ..
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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby onetwothree » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:24 pm

Bot101 wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:53 pm
However his athletic profile leaves a lot to be desired across the board.
I think the athletic profile will impact your draft position but once you're in the league it's less of a concern. You won't be a 1st rd pick with bad testing but once you're on a team and playing (practicing) well (or the rest of the team sucks), you'll get your opportunity.

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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:31 pm

Bot101 wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:09 pm
Of course I dont put a ton into athletic profiles. His was just shockingly low. I think a 4th percentile SPARQ score was just a bit shocking to see after I read his reception perception.
I'm probably overreacting but we are seeing Cook and Hunt have success and they're both pretty bad athletes. Better athletes than Higgins to be sure, but we also aren't expecting stardom from him. Just decency.
BOTH TEAMS BELOW ARE 1QB

TEAM A - 12 teams (19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Brees, Tua, Wentz
COOK/JACOBS/MIXON, Dobbins, Swift, Hunt, Singletary, Bell, B Hill, Wilkins
NUK/HILL/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, Diontae J, Hollywood, Ruggs, Pittman, Hilton, G Davis, Snead
KITTLE, Waller, Akins, H Bryant
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Not listing my IDP, but they matter as much as offense in this league. Joey Bosa, Buckner, Sweat, and Cam Jordan are my main studs.
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TEAM B - 32 teams, double copy - TEs get 1.5x bump in scoring
LAMAR, Cousins, Rivers, J Love
SAQUON/MIXON/CARSON, Dobbins, Lindsay, Mattison, Ingram, D Freeman, Clement
NUK/K ALLEN/JULIO/AROB, Evans, Thielen, DJ Moore, Lamb, Boyd, Coutee, Alshon
KITTLE/L Thomas, Ertz, Reed
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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby ColdZealDonkeyStrike » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:18 pm

Targets are targets, and if Jarvis Landry can thrive with his athletic profile, Higgins shouldn't be discounted because of it.
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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby jeffster » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:40 pm

I think we're slowly figuring out that talent > athletics when it comes to WRs. Aside from guys already mentioned, you've also got Kupp... and on the flip side, DGB.

To make that top tier of guys like Julio or AJG you probably need both a freak athletic profile and elite skills, but if you're only going to have one or the other, it's skills you want.

Anyway, I would grab him. Not blowing the waiver budget or starting him week 3, but definitely worth a roster spot in all but the shallowest of leagues.

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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby ColdZealDonkeyStrike » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:15 am

For a data point, I am going a little over 10% for Higgins in a deep league. WRs and RBs are quite picked over.
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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:24 am

He went for a surprisingly low amount in the league my sig team is in. Most teams have $150-250 blind bid $ to spend.

I only have $65 left, I put a $25 what-the-heck bid on him. He went for only $35.
BOTH TEAMS BELOW ARE 1QB

TEAM A - 12 teams (19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Brees, Tua, Wentz
COOK/JACOBS/MIXON, Dobbins, Swift, Hunt, Singletary, Bell, B Hill, Wilkins
NUK/HILL/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, Diontae J, Hollywood, Ruggs, Pittman, Hilton, G Davis, Snead
KITTLE, Waller, Akins, H Bryant
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Not listing my IDP, but they matter as much as offense in this league. Joey Bosa, Buckner, Sweat, and Cam Jordan are my main studs.
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TEAM B - 32 teams, double copy - TEs get 1.5x bump in scoring
LAMAR, Cousins, Rivers, J Love
SAQUON/MIXON/CARSON, Dobbins, Lindsay, Mattison, Ingram, D Freeman, Clement
NUK/K ALLEN/JULIO/AROB, Evans, Thielen, DJ Moore, Lamb, Boyd, Coutee, Alshon
KITTLE/L Thomas, Ertz, Reed
Danielle Hunter, Aaron Donald, and Chris Jones are the cornerstones of my IDP squad.

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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby ninotoreS » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:46 am

I like Higgins, but how the 3-wide sets are gonna shake out now is still uncertain.

First, we have to remember Duke Johnson. If Higgins takes most of his snaps in the slot, that suggests he'll be splitting time with Duke there. That ain't great for our purposes.

Second, we have to remember Ricardo Louis. Is Higgins truly leap-frogging him, just like that? I know he seemed to during the game, but will that continue? With Duke taking quite a few slot snaps for himself in 3-wide sets, it would seem that Higgins will need to be a starter in 2-wide to avoid a fantasy-unfriendly time-share in the slot, and I'm not sure Higgins has already usurped Louis' place on the depth-chart that completely.

Third, Kenny Britt. All of the above issues would be instantly reconciled if he is actually the guy that's gonna be sent to the bench (thus leaving the base 3-wide set clear as Higgins-Louis-Duke). Britt's certainly playing like he wants to ride pine. But is Cleveland ready to admit they screwed up signing him?
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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby Pac_Eddy » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:44 am

I'm making a decent bid for Higgins. My team has five WRs that are either OUT or on IR already. Brutal. I'll take a stab at this guy who has the opportunity to get a lot of targets.
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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby DynastyDeepDive » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:00 am

I just picked up Ricardo Louis. He could be the main guy. Just has not emerged yet. Read clips on Rotoworld. hue loves the guy. Good size too. I think Britt was a mistake signing.
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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby Thedudewhogetshigh » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:04 am

I got him with # 1 waiver priority in one of my leagues..

An Other league is a faab. Everyone starts season with 200. He just went for 185$. I had a claim in for him @ 20..was like damn.
Team 1.
16 team 24 man roster.
1 Qb 2 Rb 2 Wr 1 flex 1 d 1 k
Qb: Goff, Lynch, Garrapolo
Rb: Cook, Henry, Dixon, Tolbert
WR: OBJ, AROB, C Coleman, J Schuster, R Anderson K White, B Perriman, M Mitchell, L Treadwell, R Higgins G Allison
TE: J Gresham Butt Gathers
D: San Diego Defence
K: D Hopkins,
Team 2. 16 teams
1 qb 2 rb 2 wr 2 flex 1 superflex 2te
Qb: C Wentz K Cousins J Garrapalo
RB: D Cook J Mixon Du Johnson T Rawls O Darkwa C carson
Wr: A Brown AJ Green J Jones A Robinson D Funchess C Coleman Q Enuwa B Ellington J Reynolds
TE: H Henry C Fleener A Derby

Team 3. 16 team
1 qb 2 rb 2 wr 1 flex 1 d 1k
Qb: C Wentz
Rb: D Cook Mixon K Dixon, M Mack M Tolbert
Wr: M Evans, O Beckham M Thomas Q Enuwa Z Jones C Godwin
TE: A Hooper
D: Jaguars
K: M Prater

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Re: Rashard Higgins yay or nay?

Postby Reljac » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:20 am

I went with Higgins in the league I could get him. His metrics may not be great, but he also shows top percentile route running and burst out of cuts that create separation. He apparently dealth with focus drops early in college, but seems to have fixed itself. He hold all the Colorado St receiving records. I think in this regards he profiles similarly to Kupp. He leverages his body well.

The concerns are clearly his strength, early college focus drops, and whether he will be able to create separation against more athletic corners.

His combo of great route running, burst out of cuts to create separation, and opportunity make him worth a pickup, but with anyone who's spent time on a practice squad or with poor metric scores. I wouldn't go over the top until he has performed for a fair period of time on an NFL field.
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