Josh Gordon Thread: Reinstatement (Deja Vu)

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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby NanceUSMC » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:02 pm

ArrylT wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:11 pm
Phaded wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:58 pm There is obvious pause for Jakobi - but BB has always notoriously slow played his rookies anyhow.
It won't be long before people remember Gordon is not as good as they think they remember.
I guess that depends on what an owners expectations are for Gordon. Obviously yeah, if you're looking for that magical 1600 yard season, or even a WR1 season from Gordon, chances are quite likely you're going to be disappointed.

However we all know that the Patriots system is difficult to master, and that the Patriots expect a lot of work & effort from their players. And yet somehow Gordon managed, after joining the team Week II (ie no OTAs OR Pre-Season) and in the most actual NFL playing time he had in 5 years to put up a WR4 season in 12 games (11 if you exclude Week I Cleveland). His targets & production last year put him on a 1000 yard pace. Again we are talking about a guy who has played a total of 10 games in the past 5 years, joining one of the most demanding offences ...

So I think an argument can actually be made that Gordon is indeed as good as people remember. The question is not about his talent - it is about whether he is able to stay on the field. In the end Gordon owners will likely be happy to get whatever production they can get out of him - but I think the question has been answered about whether Gordon can perform. After all would the Patriots, and Brady especially, support him to the extent that they have, if they did not feel he was able to make a difference?

Whether or not he stays on the field - as we all know - thats almost impossible to predict - but what he can give you when on the field should no longer be a surprise - at the very least we can probably look forward to more boom / bust WR3, if not a possible low end WR2 type ppg season. Up to each owner to determine what that cost is worth to them.
This is a fair assessment...

I own him, and have for years... he was useful at times for me last year, as I dealt with injuries to my studs, and then right on time he was suspended again...

Like many others, we have deep rosters, and there's been little motivation for me to have released him over the years... I've floated offers to others over the years trying to get something for him, and have been told flatly 'no' by anyone I have spoken with... in most cases, it's almost like I've insulted them by even including him as a thrown in for other deals... I've gotten ribbed and razzed for keeping him on my team, and not releasing him... but I also know that these same owners that are trying to trigger me into dropping him, would be falling over themselves to pick him up as soon as he gets reinstated...

so, if his value is that he is essentially untradable, I'll just hold onto him and get the most I can out of the 8 or 10 or 12 games he plays... it beats dropping him, or giving him away for a 3rd... and if he puts up numbers on par with what he did last season, then in the end, that's production I can live with...
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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:36 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^

I sincerely hope that is not your current roster. :wink:

Although it would still be good, I think you can drop Cutler and Marshall, and even Gronk, for starters. :lol:
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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby NanceUSMC » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:44 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:36 am ^^^^^^^^^^^^

I sincerely hope that is not your current roster. :wink:

Although it would still be good, I think you can drop Cutler and Marshall, and even Gronk, for starters. :lol:
LOL, thanks for the reminder that I need to update that thing! ;-)
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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby jetsfan5757 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:37 am

People here have said it well. If you have deep rosters and all you're gonna get is a 3rd, or even a 2nd, not sure what point there is in trading him (early projected 2020 2nd yes).

Take the flex or better production you will get when he does play and be happy with it. Unfortunately, I don't think he substance abuse problems will be behind him. Rooting for him (even if he is on the Pats), but he's tripped up too many times for me to bet on it. But I'd rather take the production he'll give me when active over a late dart throw that has a 5% chance of being useful.
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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby jetsfan5757 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:38 am

Also, ESPN says he is eligible for regular season. Does that mean week 1?
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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby NWABCS » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:55 am

jetsfan5757 wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:38 am Also, ESPN says he is eligible for regular season. Does that mean week 1?
I think once he is reinstated, he's good to go for all activities. I can't imagine he's near ready to see the field but week 1 is possible.

I'm ready to buy for a 2020 2nd, love him for two weeks, then get angry when I see that "Josh Gordon has been suspended indefinitely" headline pop up. Josh Gordon is an ex gf that you can't let go of. You keep going back. No clue why. You know how it'll end up.

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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby bjd5211 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:18 am

jetsfan5757 wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:38 am Also, ESPN says he is eligible for regular season. Does that mean week 1?
It's up to the Patriots whether he's ready physically/mentally to play, so that's tbd. He's eligible to play as far as the league is concerned though.

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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby jcc6fd » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:43 am

^ mostly true, he’s actually only been conditionally reinstates, meaning he has more testing to do before he is cleared to play
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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby snaps06 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:05 am

I'm just gonna leave this little article here for everyone. I hope for his sake he turns his life around, and I'm pulling for him, but constant drug and alcohol abuse for 15 years is not going to be easy to overcome.

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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby Phaded » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:42 am

It is still a "conditional" reinstatement, albeit I have no idea what the condition is.

BB gave the most unexcited statement to the reinstatement in true BB fashion

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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby Shcritters » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:29 pm

So I checked in on this thread and had to ask myself - based on the title, which reinstatement are we talking about? Funny that this thread is from 2017 and we haven’t had to have another Gordon thread since.

In all seriousness, hope the guy is able to clean up his life and get it back together. He’s only 28 years old and has (hopefully) a lot of life left in front of him.
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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby sugbear65 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:28 pm

sugbear65 wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:56 pm So did the Jakobi hype train run off the rails with this news then?
Guess not. Another week, another impressive outing from Meyers.

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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:03 am

Officially reinstated by league and eligible to play week 1. Was originally a conditional reinstatement.

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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby GridironGuerilla » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:40 am

Glad I held 6 shares. Hoping I can sell by week 4 lol.
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Re: Josh Gordon Reinstatement

Postby MrUbuto » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:55 am

GridironGuerilla wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:40 am Glad I held 6 shares. Hoping I can sell by week 4 lol.
I am putting him on the block the second he has a big game
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