What's the consensus on Treadwell?

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Re: What's the consensus on Treadwell?

Postby clarion contrarion » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:41 am

his college teammate cody core had a far more consequential rookie year on a better wr depth chart than megaquan did playing behind late round picks and UDFA. There is much to be worried about for treadwell after such a moribund rookie showing. Few wr that start as slowly as he did ever gain serious relevance especially highly drafted wr/ nearly all the wr that had so little production and turned out OK were UDFA or late picks that had the determination to fight their way to a role. He may turn out just fine but if I got a decent offer I would take it with no remorse even if he did break out. I didn't like him nearly as much as consensus but traded in the 5th spot when he fell in one draft last season . I have since moved he & doctson in a deal for sammy watkins whose owner was tired of the injuries.
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Re: What's the consensus on Treadwell?

Postby ninotoreS » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:17 am

good use of "moribund"
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Re: What's the consensus on Treadwell?

Postby Purple Pride » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:48 am

No chance Vikings take a WR in the second round.
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I'd cut your losses and invest in your new rookies. Get what you can now in a trade if possible, before the draft.

They don't have a 1st round pick, but I'd expect the Vikings to take a WR early in the draft, maybe as soon as round 2. I've seen Juju and Godwin mocked to them -- not that the mocks mean anything at all, it's just noise - but there's a good chance the Vikings are already preparing for the worst re Treadwell's career orbit, so you might want to do the same.
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Re: What's the consensus on Treadwell?

Postby broncohead » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:18 pm

Give him time. Not all players are like Evans, OBJ, ect
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Re: What's the consensus on Treadwell?

Postby kamihamster » Fri May 05, 2017 2:34 pm

Just saw a news blurb that Floyd was visiting the Vikings. Maybe Treadwell hasn't made a jump in his 2nd year and they want other options?
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Re: What's the consensus on Treadwell?

Postby ericanadian » Fri May 05, 2017 3:00 pm

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There have been plenty of studs to have mediocre to poor to hardly even making a ripple in their first season. Would I prefer Treadwell to have had an OBJ/Cooks/Watkins like season 1? Of course. But again, I challenge people to go back and look at the rookie year of many of the studs from today and from the past.

The arguements against him are so illogical at times as well. He couldn't even jump Theilen, etc. Look at Jordy's breakout and how long it took him to breakout. Do you think there might have been similar stories circulating about him and who he couldn't jump?

All that said, I don't actually hold out high hopes for him. But come on, trying to trade him for very end of the 1st or some 2nd round pick? The hit rate on those picks is like 8%. Do you REALLY think there is less than a 8% chance Treadwell turns it around? (Meaning a low end wr2) I mean he only has to turn it around like 1 out of 7 times to be worth twice a 2nd round pick.

To play my own devils advocate :P, if you want to draft a player and hope to hit, and I don't mean actually getting a hit, more of a chance to sell him for a higher pick, then I could understand that. But if you think you can get a 2nd round pick and just spike real production then I think you are probably playing against the odds.
The hit rate on early 1st are still only like 50% and the vast majority of those that hit show some level of success in their first year. If you factor out those with first year success, I'm not sure expectations of an 8% success rate are all that out of line.
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Re: What's the consensus on Treadwell?

Postby Phaded » Fri May 05, 2017 4:17 pm

kamihamster wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 2:34 pm
Just saw a news blurb that Floyd was visiting the Vikings. Maybe Treadwell hasn't made a jump in his 2nd year and they want other options?
I wouldn't necessarily read too much into that - the Vikings are one of the most WR needy teams and Michael Floyd is a cheap option.

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Re: What's the consensus on Treadwell?

Postby Kramer » Fri May 05, 2017 4:48 pm

Phaded wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 4:17 pm
kamihamster wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 2:34 pm
Just saw a news blurb that Floyd was visiting the Vikings. Maybe Treadwell hasn't made a jump in his 2nd year and they want other options?
I wouldn't necessarily read too much into that - the Vikings are one of the most WR needy teams and Michael Floyd is a cheap option.
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Re: What's the consensus on Treadwell?

Postby BuckeyeNation » Fri May 05, 2017 10:36 pm

clarion contrarion wrote:
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his college teammate cody core had a far more consequential rookie year on a better wr depth chart than megaquan did playing behind late round picks and UDFA. There is much to be worried about for treadwell after such a moribund rookie showing. Few wr that start as slowly as he did ever gain serious relevance especially highly drafted wr/ nearly all the wr that had so little production and turned out OK were UDFA or late picks that had the determination to fight their way to a role. He may turn out just fine but if I got a decent offer I would take it with no remorse even if he did break out. I didn't like him nearly as much as consensus but traded in the 5th spot when he fell in one draft last season . I have since moved he & doctson in a deal for sammy watkins whose owner was tired of the injuries.
The terribly slow start to his career is rather worrisome to me, even with his season being cut short by injury. People always like to point out that WRs generally take 2-3 years to develop and that we've been spoiled by recent rookie WRs success, but to me that's an archaic line of thinking in today's NFL. This is a line of thinking that held true 15-20 years ago, but not nowadays.

Almost all WRs that become fantasy relevant show some flashes as rookies and some consistent involvement in their offense. The exceptions are usually due to missing an entire season to injury, or late round or UDFA WRs that either spend a year on the PS or buried on the depth chart before they become revelations to their team in their 2nd/3rd year. In today's NFL, 1st round draft picks are expected to play and contribute right away, which leaves me more concerned with Treadwell.

Treadwell could still develop into what people thought he could be, but after a lost rookie season that wasn't purely a matter of injury I think it's definitely less than a 50/50 chance of happening. As for WRs that followed this same path and then became a sustained producer for a long period of time, Vincent Jackson is the only name I can think of, and he was a 2nd round pick I believe. I'm sure there are probably others, but that's the only name that comes to mind which tells me the list probably isn't very long.
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Re: What's the consensus on Treadwell?

Postby Adidas95 » Sat May 06, 2017 8:22 am

I think Treadwell is a great buy low on


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