Sell Your Chargers Now!?!

[clarion contrarion]

I will put in my .02 and weigh on this thread and the tyrell williams thread by saying williams is the only charger I really want going forward , his # this year were on par or better than allen's best season. Allen was on pace for a monster year in 2015 but then the injury issue came up again as well bleep the chargers having no running game at all basically. Lynn is a complete unknown as a head coach although he does have a solid pedigree in the run game will san diego's oline allow the same type of run/pass splits . Williams 1st full season coming from a lower division in college was damned impressive and he is a buy for me , I have already sold off all my chargers shares except 1 rivers share and arryl's assertion about the move disrupting the franchise is not without solid foundation. That franchise is already disrupted from the top down and more uncertainty surely will not help . The lynn hiring after the bills passed on him is less than inspirational. Perhaps he will be terrific but it seems that many more qualified candidates are still available. The ownership wanted to have a guy in time for the announced move , well congrats they have a coach but is it the right coach ? The hire the guy and force whiz on him probably at rivers behest how will that work out?
Even something as mundane as a logo change after 48 hours just magnifies how rudderless this ship really is, they are flailing and I see no light at the end of the tunnel . Williams has proven to be an effective weapon and rivers will force it to his guys .Until allen proves he can stay on the field TW should be considered the #1 option in that passing offense and as such does have solid value. He is way cheaper than allen for what reason I cannot fathom other than people's past opinion of their ability coming from college. This year could be his peak or it could be the tip of the iceberg seeing as how he came from a small college program and has the requisite physical skills to be a solid player. TW may have a golden opportunity for the balance of rivers career . I think it is far more likely we have seen the best of keenan allen rather than the best of williams .

[Valhalla]

I will put in my .02 and weigh on this thread and the tyrell williams thread by saying williams is the only charger I really want going forward , his # this year were on par or better than allen's best season. Allen was on pace for a monster year in 2015 but then the injury issue came up again as well bleep the chargers having no running game at all basically. Lynn is a complete unknown as a head coach although he does have a solid pedigree in the run game will san diego's oline allow the same type of run/pass splits . Williams 1st full season coming from a lower division in college was damned impressive and he is a buy for me , I have already sold off all my chargers shares except 1 rivers share and arryl's assertion about the move disrupting the franchise is not without solid foundation. That franchise is already disrupted from the top down and more uncertainty surely will not help . The lynn hiring after the bills passed on him is less than inspirational. Perhaps he will be terrific but it seems that many more qualified candidates are still available. The ownership wanted to have a guy in time for the announced move , well congrats they have a coach but is it the right coach ? The hire the guy and force whiz on him probably at rivers behest how will that work out?
Even something as mundane as a logo change after 48 hours just magnifies how rudderless this ship really is, they are flailing and I see no light at the end of the tunnel . Williams has proven to be an effective weapon and rivers will force it to his guys .Until allen proves he can stay on the field TW should be considered the #1 option in that passing offense and as such does have solid value. He is way cheaper than allen for what reason I cannot fathom other than people's past opinion of their ability coming from college. This year could be his peak or it could be the tip of the iceberg seeing as how he came from a small college program and has the requisite physical skills to be a solid player. TW may have a golden opportunity for the balance of rivers career . I think it is far more likely we have seen the best of keenan allen rather than the best of williams .

Solid post

[ArrylT]

Agreed! Thanks for sharing your thought!

[rschroeder1]

Looking at the stats of the last five teams that have moved, I don't see any correlation between team move and statistical performance. Some players performed more poorly, some players improved.

1987 St. Louis Cardinals to Phoenix
1994 Los Angeles Rams to St. Louis
1994 Los Angeles Raiders to Oakland
1996 Houston Oilers to Memphis
2015 St. Louis Rams to Los Angeles

I think this sample is a good mix: you have long-standing teams making cross country moves, an Oilers team moving to a temporary home, not even in the city they were destined for, and a Raiders team making a relatively short move to their former home. For each team, I looked at their top fantasy performer at QB, RB, WR and TE.

1987 St. Louis Cardinals (7-8)

QB Neil Lomax: 257/463, 3387 yards, 24 TD
RB Stump Mitchell: 203 att., 781 yards, 3.8 YPC, 3 TD
WR J.T. Smith: 91/1117/8
TE Robert Awalt: 42/526/6

1988 Phoenix Cardinals (7-9)

QB Neil Lomax: 255/493, 3395 yards, 20 TD
RB Earl Ferrell: 202 att., 924 yards, 4.6 YPC, 7 TD
WR J.T. Smith: 83/986/5
TE Jay Novacek: 38/569/4

1994 Los Angeles Rams (4-12)

QB Chris Miller: 173/317, 2104 yards, 16 TD
RB Jerome Bettis: 319 att., 1025 yards, 3.2 YPC, 3 TD
WR Flipper Anderson: 46/945/5
TE Troy Drayton: 32/276/6

1995 St. Louis Rams (7-9)

QB: Chris Miller 232/405, 2623 yards, 18 TD
RB Jerome Bettis: 183 att., 635 yards, 3.5 YPC, 3 TD
WR Isaac Bruce: 119/1781/13
TE Troy Drayton: 47/458/4

1994 Los Angeles Raiders (7-9)

QB Jeff Hostetler: 263/455, 3334 yards, 20 TD
RB Harvey Williams: 282 att., 983 yards, 3.5 YPC, 4 TD
WR Tim Brown: 89/1309/9
TE Andrew Glover 33/371/2

1995 Oakland Raiders (8-8)

QB Jeff Hostetler: 172/286, 1998 yards, 12 TD
RB Harvey Williams: 225 att., 1114 yards, 4.4 YPC, 9 TD
WR Tim Brown: 89/1342/10
TE Kerry Cash: 25/254/2

1996 Houston Oilers (8-8)

QB Chris Chandler: 184/320, 2099 yards, 16 TD
RB Eddie George: 335 att., 1368 yards, 4.1 YPC, 8 TD
WR Chris Sanders: 48/882/4
TE Frank Wycheck: 53/511/6

1997 Memphis Oilers (8-8)

QB Steve McNair: 216/415, 2665 yards, 14 TD
RB Eddie George: 357 att., 1399 yards, 3.9 YPC, 6 TD
WR Willie Davis: 43/564/4
TE Frank Wycheck: 63/748/4

2015 St. Louis Rams (7-9)

QB Nick Foles: 190/337, 2052 yards, 7 TD
RB Todd Gurley: 229 att., 1106 yards, 4.8 YPC, 10 TD
WR Kenny Britt: 36/681/3
TE Jared Cook: 39/481/0

2016 Los Angeles Rams (4-12)

QB Case Keenum: 196/322, 2201 yards, 9 TD
RB Todd Gurley: 278 att., 885 yards, 3.2 YPC, 6 TD
WR Kenny Britt: 68/1002/5
TE Lance Kendricks: 50/499/2

[flyersfan1981]

Looking at the stats of the last five teams that have moved, I don't see any correlation between team move and statistical performance. Some players performed more poorly, some players improved.

1987 St. Louis Cardinals to Phoenix
1994 Los Angeles Rams to St. Louis
1994 Los Angeles Raiders to Oakland
1996 Houston Oilers to Memphis
2015 St. Louis Rams to Los Angeles

I think this sample is a good mix: you have long-standing teams making cross country moves, an Oilers team moving to a temporary home, not even in the city they were destined for, and a Raiders team making a relatively short move to their former home. For each team, I looked at their top fantasy performer at QB, RB, WR and TE.

1987 St. Louis Cardinals (7-8)

QB Neil Lomax: 257/463, 3387 yards, 24 TD
RB Stump Mitchell: 203 att., 781 yards, 3.8 YPC, 3 TD
WR J.T. Smith: 91/1117/8
TE Robert Awalt: 42/526/6

1988 Phoenix Cardinals (7-9)

QB Neil Lomax: 255/493, 3395 yards, 20 TD
RB Earl Ferrell: 202 att., 924 yards, 4.6 YPC, 7 TD
WR J.T. Smith: 83/986/5
TE Jay Novacek: 38/569/4

1994 Los Angeles Rams (4-12)

QB Chris Miller: 173/317, 2104 yards, 16 TD
RB Jerome Bettis: 319 att., 1025 yards, 3.2 YPC, 3 TD
WR Flipper Anderson: 46/945/5
TE Troy Drayton: 32/276/6

1995 St. Louis Rams (7-9)

QB: Chris Miller 232/405, 2623 yards, 18 TD
RB Jerome Bettis: 183 att., 635 yards, 3.5 YPC, 3 TD
WR Isaac Bruce: 119/1781/13
TE Troy Drayton: 47/458/4

1994 Los Angeles Raiders (7-9)

QB Jeff Hostetler: 263/455, 3334 yards, 20 TD
RB Harvey Williams: 282 att., 983 yards, 3.5 YPC, 4 TD
WR Tim Brown: 89/1309/9
TE Andrew Glover 33/371/2

1995 Oakland Raiders (8-8)

QB Jeff Hostetler: 172/286, 1998 yards, 12 TD
RB Harvey Williams: 225 att., 1114 yards, 4.4 YPC, 9 TD
WR Tim Brown: 89/1342/10
TE Kerry Cash: 25/254/2

1996 Houston Oilers (8-8)

QB Chris Chandler: 184/320, 2099 yards, 16 TD
RB Eddie George: 335 att., 1368 yards, 4.1 YPC, 8 TD
WR Chris Sanders: 48/882/4
TE Frank Wycheck: 53/511/6

1997 Memphis Oilers (8-8)

QB Steve McNair: 216/415, 2665 yards, 14 TD
RB Eddie George: 357 att., 1399 yards, 3.9 YPC, 6 TD
WR Willie Davis: 43/564/4
TE Frank Wycheck: 63/748/4

2015 St. Louis Rams (7-9)

QB Nick Foles: 190/337, 2052 yards, 7 TD
RB Todd Gurley: 229 att., 1106 yards, 4.8 YPC, 10 TD
WR Kenny Britt: 36/681/3
TE Jared Cook: 39/481/0

2016 Los Angeles Rams (4-12)

QB Case Keenum: 196/322, 2201 yards, 9 TD
RB Todd Gurley: 278 att., 885 yards, 3.2 YPC, 6 TD
WR Kenny Britt: 68/1002/5
TE Lance Kendricks: 50/499/2

Pretty strong post for having less than 10 posts under your belt...well done research!

[Cameron Giles]

https://twitter.com/DjamesIII/status/821170745392779264

This news would actually be some reason to consider what you have in current Chargers players. I'm not sure how legit it is though.

[rschroeder1]

Pretty strong post for having less than 10 posts under your belt...well done research!

Appreciate the kind words. I have a couple young kids so I'm more of a lurker here when I can get on, but this discussion piqued my interest. Also bored at work lol.

[onetwothree]

https://twitter.com/DjamesIII/status/821170745392779264

This news would actually be some reason to consider what you have in current Chargers players. I'm not sure how legit it is though.

Last year he said he didn't want to move. Last week he said he was cool with the move. Now this. He did re-sign recently but I would think this is just leverage for more money. Expensive raising 9 kids or whatever number he's at now.

[dlf_tomk]

Looking at the stats of the last five teams that have moved, I don't see any correlation between team move and statistical performance. Some players performed more poorly, some players improved....

Pretty strong post for having less than 10 posts under your belt...well done research!

+1. More please!

[Servo]

There have been grumblings on Twitter (I know, take it with a pound of salt) but is there any way Rivers opts to leave LA? Possibly in favor of a Texans type team?

[ArrylT]

My thanks rschroeder1 for doing that research and sharing. Much appreciated any time someone adds to a discussion.

[rschroeder1]

Somehow missed the incredibly obvious Browns' move to Baltimore.

1995 Cleveland Browns (5-11)

QB Vinny Testaverde: 241/392, 2883 yards, 17 TD
RB Leroy Hoard: 136 att., 547 yards, 4.0 YPC, 0 TD*
WR Andre Rison: 47/701/3
TE Brian Kinchen: 20/216/0

* Of all the teams listed here, this team was the one with a true RBBC, so Hoard's comparative numbers are a bit skewed.

1996 Baltimore Ravens (4-12)

QB Vinny Testaverde: 325/549, 4177 yards, 33 TD
RB Bam Morris: 172 att., 737 yards, 4.3 YPC, 4 TD
WR Michael Jackson: 76/1201/14
TE Brian Kinchen: 55/581/1

[clarion contrarion]

chargers anthony lynn drops S bomb in 1st paragraph of his introductory press conference
ah good times for chargers in LALA LAND ! what could go wrong from there ?

[Jfever]

The move means next to nothing. Nothing significant for fantasy purposes. It doesn't help and it doesn't (in itself) hurt the odds of fantasy production. This is a prime example of several people talking just to talk or (typing just to type). It is simply white noise and cluttered thinking and logic..

AS far as the claim that the chargers skilled position players will see a down tick in fantasy production BECAUSE of the move. Well, that is making a correlation without any evidence. Simply put - it holds no merit. Kind of a simple stance to be honest. There are plenty of reasons the chargers skilled players could see a down tick. The move up the street isn't one of them however. So, sure, one could take a stance on selling Chargers. But, the move isn't something that deserves to be mentioned as an influential contributing factor. Also, along that line, there are other teams that one could mention that likely deserve a thread like this more than the chargers. Heck, there are fantasy darlings of this site that are vastly over rated and over valued that should discussed before something as silly as a move up an interstate for a franchise.

As far as TW being more productive or valuable than KAllen moving forward. Simply speculation, based on ownership bias. Seriously, it is. But... Value wise it isn't a horrible bet. But, lets not as a community make more of it than it is. If Kennan Allen is back and healthy (which we as a fantasy community, have every reason to expect to see) - he will not be the Chargers new #2 wr to TWilliams role as the new #1. C'mon man..... Value wise TW is the value buy here yes. does that mean he is the new SD #1wr. No, it doesn't. It does (I agree) mean that he is a better value in your league possibly.

We've simply seen more over time from Kennan Allen, his cost / value reflect that very premise (as it should). Injuries aside, K.Allen is the better more polished wr. Injuries must be considered however along with risk reward. TW showed he was more (MUCH MORE) than any of us thought he was. Some got lucky and were able to scoop him up off waivers. Some didn't. Lets be serious with each other. Kennan Allen (when healthy) IS and WILL be the Chargers and Philip Rivers #1 wr in ppr scoring.

I enjoy people stirring the pot at this time of the year. It gives us (me) something to do. But, in all seriousness. Lets not get too dippy because we are bored. This thread is rooted in a lot of that it seems.

Side note and mildly off topic, I find it a little absurd as to how people discount the value and production of Melvin Gordon but simultaneously stick in other less productive rb's corners and defend them at all costs, its as thought his step forward in production, and ability to handle the heavy load is a negative thing rather than a positive thing. Time and time again, the things he does or doesn't do are twisted and used against him. AT first it was no touchdowns - he sucks, then its the TD total is unpredictable and it must regress so his production must be discounted... It is nothing shy of humorous to me. ie; a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.... Some whom have chirped in on this thread would only really want to roster Tyrell Williams from the Chargers. Heck, just look at the rb landscape for a second... Look and see who is there. Look at production, role, and age, you know the stuff that actually matters.... Even when we consider the modern day rb situation and the complete lack of options there.... Amusing to say the least that he (a 3 down very young Rb in a league where there is a shortage of them) still gets no respect on this site.

To each their own though.... as always.

[Jfever]

chargers anthony lynn drops S bomb in 1st paragraph of his introductory press conference
ah good times for chargers in LALA LAND ! what could go wrong from there ?

Mike Zimmer, Head coach for the Vikings, swears in every sentence he mutters. Heck, I like it. It doesn't bother me in the least. I'm not sure as I wasn't there but, maybe he didn't cuss in his introductory press conference, but... really, does this have any influence on anything remotely close to meaningful? Really? I mean, what are we to take from a head coach cussing in a press conference.

YEP, the chargers are doomed because they moved to LA. How do I know this you ask? Well, did you happen to see the introductory press conference? He Swore! Yeah, it is that silly.

Big F-n deal! Lets try a bit harder to find something with merit to discuss.