Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby dynastyninja » Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:08 pm

nathanq42 wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:57 pm cant ask to change when its convenient. Beginning of season should have been changed to RB, or WR/RB hybrid, or left the same.
I think this is my position. Timing is a little late on this one.

I'll typically defer to MFL for the decisions to not make the life of the commish harder. Putting it up to owner vote isn't a terrible idea, but you run the risk of people voting in their best interest first.

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:20 am

FantasyPros wrote: The converted receiver averaged a ho-hum 38.6 rushing yards per game, scoring six rushing touchdowns. But, unsurprisingly, he added a lot of value through the air, averaging 3.3 receptions and 34.3 receiving yards per game, scoring five receiving touchdowns.

The underlying metrics for Patterson were stellar, too. Out of 64 running backs targeted at least 20 times, Patterson was second in Yards per Route Run (2.23), sporting the deepest Average Depth of Target (4.1 ADOT). In addition, he was used all over the formation. Among the same 64-back sample, he ran the ninth-most routes inline (nine), sixth-most from the slot (53), and most wide (93).

Therefore, Patterson’s receiving ability should allow him to carve out a substantial role as a pass-catching weapon at worst, no matter where he signs. So, Patterson’s value is greater in half-point and full-point point-per-reception (PPR) formats than standard-scoring formats. In formats that award points for receptions, he is a top-30 RB presently being underrated.
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Re: The Case Against Cordarrelle Patterson

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:00 pm

dlf_jeffh wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:25 am He's fast, big ... his hands are very good and seem much bigger than they physically are. With the ball in his hands, you can see the running back in him ... and he has some experience at that position.

He's a much more natural runner than he is a receiver in my mind and he has great size. Part of me would love to see him at running back where he doesn't need to learn the complexity of a route tree and the finer points that create great receivers from mediocre ones.
Risky bidness wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:29 pmI bet Patterson would be an all pro RB if he ever made the switch. I think he's by far and away the most explosive player in the nfl. He'll need a couple years to get WR down, but damn he's an exciting guy to watch.
Making my way through this expanded CPatt thread. These comments from 2013 stuck out.
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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby Pullo Vision » Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:49 am

In his healthy games from weeks 1-3, CPatt twice set career highs in rushing yards. Since he went on IR after week 4, Atlanta has continued to be committed to the run (4th in y/g) despite a poor pass offense to keep the heat off (31st in pass y/g).

I've seen Patterson mentioned a few times as a buy for contenders.
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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby Mjvb5 » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:18 am

Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:49 am In his healthy games from weeks 1-3, CPatt twice set career highs in rushing yards. Since he went on IR after week 4, Atlanta has continued to be committed to the run (4th in y/g) despite a poor pass offense to keep the heat off (31st in pass y/g).

I've seen Patterson mentioned a few times as a buy for contenders.

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby Mjvb5 » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:19 am

Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:49 am In his healthy games from weeks 1-3, CPatt twice set career highs in rushing yards. Since he went on IR after week 4, Atlanta has continued to be committed to the run (4th in y/g) despite a poor pass offense to keep the heat off (31st in pass y/g).

I've seen Patterson mentioned a few times as a buy for contenders.
I paid a 2nd for him and fully consider it worth it even if it's an overpay on paper

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby Hankybro21 » Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:13 am

Think he picks up where he left off? Or will he yield some work to Huntley and allgeier
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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby mild » Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:18 am

Hankybro21 wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:13 am Think he picks up where he left off? Or will he yield some work to Huntley and allgeier
And Damian Williams

(top tip: go stash Damian Williams on your IR)

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby Mjvb5 » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:22 am

mild wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:18 am
Hankybro21 wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:13 am Think he picks up where he left off? Or will he yield some work to Huntley and allgeier
And Damian Williams

(top tip: go stash Damian Williams on your IR)
I think (and Linda hope) he loses some work.

The thing is he wasn't some low rb2 prior to injury

First three weeks
50 carries-300 rush yds- 2tds
7 targets- 4 receptions-28 yds

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby Space Cowboy » Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:05 am

I believe it was good old BB who formally made the switch.

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby mild » Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:32 am

Mjvb5 wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:22 am
mild wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:18 am
Hankybro21 wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:13 am Think he picks up where he left off? Or will he yield some work to Huntley and allgeier
And Damian Williams

(top tip: go stash Damian Williams on your IR)
I think (and Linda hope) he loses some work.

The thing is he wasn't some low rb2 prior to injury

First three weeks
50 carries-300 rush yds- 2tds
7 targets- 4 receptions-28 yds
Sure, and he broke immediately on that workload.

Last year was his highest ever workload to date as well, and they were load managing by week 10.

He's just not built to take that kind of pounding, and home boy is 31. Converted WR's playing RB for the most snaps in their career... dicey way to live.

Damian was set to run as the 1b before his preseason injury by the way. And we've already seen that even in bad gamescript, Atlanta are content to run the rock and not pass. There are good floor-based carries here to be had in volume in ATL for anyone who can survive it.

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby Pullo Vision » Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:16 pm

mild wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:32 amLast year was his highest ever workload to date as well, and they were load managing by week 10.

He's just not built to take that kind of pounding, and home boy is 31. Converted WR's playing RB for the most snaps in their career... dicey way to live.
Last year, Patterson was cruisin til he got nicked, then he got managed. This year, his injury didn't sound crippling and almost elective.

If you use last year as a guide, an 8 game streak is a reasonable expectation. I'm viewing his IR stint as an extended bye for the end of season run in a pretty nice schedule.
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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

Postby Mjvb5 » Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:18 pm

mild wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:32 am
Mjvb5 wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:22 am
mild wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:18 am

And Damian Williams

(top tip: go stash Damian Williams on your IR)
I think (and Linda hope) he loses some work.

The thing is he wasn't some low rb2 prior to injury

First three weeks
50 carries-300 rush yds- 2tds
7 targets- 4 receptions-28 yds
Sure, and he broke immediately on that workload.

Last year was his highest ever workload to date as well, and they were load managing by week 10.

He's just not built to take that kind of pounding, and home boy is 31. Converted WR's playing RB for the most snaps in their career... dicey way to live.

Damian was set to run as the 1b before his preseason injury by the way. And we've already seen that even in bad gamescript, Atlanta are content to run the rock and not pass. There are good floor-based carries here to be had in volume in ATL for anyone who can survive it.
Oh yeah that's why I was saying I think and hope he drops some of his work, move him from 20 to 12-15 touches so I don't lose him after two more weeks


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