Jordan Matthews

[KMA]

Years back, Jordan Matthews enthusiasts promoted him as being Sammy Watkins' equal and in some cases his superior. He was cheaper and would prove to be the better option. Are those same owners still as high on Jordan Matthews now? I know Sammy's value has gone up but I recently saw a post where some preferred the unproven Kevin White to Matthews. I really want to hear from the supporters who were pimping him as the better option. I am considering making a play for him in my friends and family league. Thanks in advance.

[Madadamus]

He's done very well and I think he'll only get better. He's a hard worker, and he's put up solid numbers despite being in a disappointing offense last year. There is talk that he will play on the outside this year, which should only increase his numbers especially being a third year receiver.

He's not in the same class as Watkins, but I think he will be a very nice fantasy WR2 for years to come.

[rock-hammerson]

Wr2 is where I see him. It's actually where I've always saw him. This move outside, to me, isn't necessarily a good thing. We'll have to see what he can do against top corner backs in the league. Being primarily a slot player before pumped his stats a bit in my opinion. He was a big wr playing against nickel corners and sometimes linebackers, and the route treatment was a little more limited. It will be interesting to see how he looks this year though. Especially in a more run centric offense.

[BuckeyeNation]

Wr2 is where I see him. It's actually where I've always saw him. This move outside, to me, isn't necessarily a good thing. We'll have to see what he can do against top corner backs in the league. Being primarily a slot player before pumped his stats a bit in my opinion. He was a big wr playing against nickel corners and sometimes linebackers, and the route treatment was a little more limited. It will be interesting to see how he looks this year though. Especially in a more run centric offense.

This is about where I am on him. Being a WR2 isn't a knock either, that's still a valuable position to be in. I just don't think he will ascend much further up the WR board than where he is right now.

[knotts4372]

i was one of them seeing him as = sammy back then and for that time i stand by that opinion. i still love jmatt but yes sammy is a tier above him now

[franklin43]

Last season Matthews averaged 57.6 snaps/game and Maclin averaged 55.9 snaps/game.

As much as I don't want to believe it, is Matthews a sell high right now in the face of decreased volume?

[rock-hammerson]

Last season Matthews averaged 57.6 snaps/game and Maclin averaged 55.9 snaps/game.

As much as I don't want to believe it, is Matthews a sell high right now in the face of decreased volume?

I don't think Peterson is going to mimic Reid entirely. So I do think he'll have more opportunities then he would if he were on the chiefs, but I'm more curious if he can up his game against better competition at the CB position.

[Needalife]

I think Matthews will eventually be a #2 WR.... on his team, that is. I think Philly will draft a WR who will become their go-to and have JMatt serve as a solid #2. I really liked him coming out as a hard worker and good kid. I don't think he separates enough to become a dominant WR but I think he could play really well if he had an alpha drawing coverage while he ate up #2 DBs.

I'm selling if I can get in the top 5-6. I'm holding after that to see if he can rise above my expectations.

[rock-hammerson]

I think Matthews will eventually be a #2 WR.... on his team, that is. I think Philly will draft a WR who will become their go-to and have JMatt serve as a solid #2. I really liked him coming out as a hard worker and good kid. I don't think he separates enough to become a dominant WR but I think he could play really well if he had an alpha drawing coverage while he ate up #2 DBs.

I'm selling if I can get in the top 5-6. I'm holding after that to see if he can rise above my expectations.

I don't see philly investing in WR very heavily. They've actually put together a decent corps with Matthews, Agholor, randle and givens. I could see a 3rd or later used on a WR, but not sure what your getting at with them getting a WR1 anytime soon to supplant Matthews for targets.

[Lotto4Life]

Matthews posted a fair amount of garbage time stats last year. That has me a little worried going into this season.

[EAK INC.]

Matthews posted a fair amount of garbage time stats last year. That has me a little worried going into this season.

Yeah, this has me worried too. There were games where J-Matt was basically shut out for the first 3 1/2 quarters and then racked up garbage points at the end of the 4th.

[Jfever]

My opinion,

Matthews and Watkins are close enough for me to say that Matthews is close to the top of his tier and Sammy is close to the bottom of his. I don't ever see Buffalo becoming pass friendly enough for Sammy to ever truly reach his physical potential. I do see Philadelphia being a better long term spot for wr production. I do love Matthew's size though. At 6'3 215, he is nearly perfect in his build. HIs size combined with his skill set and route running actually allow him to be very versatile. Which is a good thing.

The inflated stats comment... I'd say that every single wr has a decent sized chunk of "inflated stats" that help them to bolster their production. OBJ for example.... Or any wr that is on an offense with a struggling run game or a poor defense. Inflated stats... really can be found anywhere if you look. The example can be used to support a variety of claims, thus, it loses validity quick. Stats are stats, production is production. Period. The scores and the numbers add up the same whether they are somehow "padded" or they are not. Irrelevant.

I personally look at; NCAA level of competition, NCAA resume', physical measurables, off field behavior, work ethic, and then their particular team and situation. For those that want to sell based off of volume, snaps, or lack there of.... you then must be the very people that draft for need, and weigh situation over talent. Seems incredibly odd to me. Sell a 23 year old wr now because you think his snap count will drop? During his rookie and sophomore years, as a 21 and 22 year old out of Vanderbilt, .... he was a wr2 for fantasy purposes. A kid with his blood lines, his character, his work ethic... I'm not so sure that he will not ascend into low end wr1 type production. To assume that NO growth or improvement will occur in his game seems an odd way to look at the situation imo. I do own him in a couple leagues and am not looking to sell. He seems to fit exactly what I'm looking for in a young wr.

stat lines from last two seasons:

Year Receiving
Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg 100+ TD
2014 PHI 16 67 872 54.5 13.0 3 8
2015 PHI 16 85 997 62.3 11.7 4 8

Jordan Matthews's
Game Receiving Rushing Fumb. KO Ret Punt Ret
Week Date Opp Rec Yds Avg TD Rush Yds Avg TD Lost Yds TD Yds TD
1 Sep 14 @ATL 10 102 10.2 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 Sep 20 DAL 6 80 13.3 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 Sep 27 @NYJ 6 49 8.2 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
4 Oct 4 @WAS 3 50 16.7 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
5 Oct 11 NO 5 44 8.8 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
6 Oct 19 NYG 6 59 9.8 0 0 0 .0 0 1 0 0 0 0
7 Oct 25 @CAR 3 14 4.7 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
9 Nov 8 @DAL 9 133 14.8 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10 Nov 15 MIA 3 21 7.0 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11 Nov 22 TB 4 13 3.3 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12 Nov 26 @DET 3 60 20.0 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
13 Dec 6 @NE 3 36 12.0 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
14 Dec 13 BUF 3 19 6.3 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
15 Dec 20 ARZ 8 159 19.9 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
16 Dec 26 WAS 6 104 17.3 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
17 Jan 3 @NYG 7 54 7.7 2 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0

News from Rotoworld:
Jordan Matthews expects his snap percentage to rise playing on the outside more this season.
Matthews ran over 90 percent of his routes in the slot under ex-coach Chip Kelly. He only played 79 percent of the Eagles' 2015 offensive snaps, and came off the field frequently in two-receiver formations. On the flip side, Kelly's exit is likely to cost Matthews more overall snaps because of the fast tempo with which Kelly's offenses played. Whereas Kelly's Eagles ranked first and second in offensive plays in 2014-2015, new coach Doug Peterson's Chiefs offenses have ranked 29th and 31st the past two years.

[dlf_jules]

Matthews owners better hope Pederson isn't much like Reid. The Eagles averaged 622 pass attempts in 2014 and 2015. The Chiefs averaged 483 over the same two seasons.

[Balzac]

My opinion,

Matthews and Watkins are close enough for me to say that Matthews is close to the top of his tier and Sammy is close to the bottom of his. I don't ever see Buffalo becoming pass friendly enough for Sammy to ever truly reach his physical potential. I do see Philadelphia being a better long term spot for wr production. I do love Matthew's size though. At 6'3 215, he is nearly perfect in his build. HIs size combined with his skill set and route running actually allow him to be very versatile. Which is a good thing.

The inflated stats comment... I'd say that every single wr has a decent sized chunk of "inflated stats" that help them to bolster their production. OBJ for example.... Or any wr that is on an offense with a struggling run game or a poor defense. Inflated stats... really can be found anywhere if you look. The example can be used to support a variety of claims, thus, it loses validity quick. Stats are stats, production is production. Period. The scores and the numbers add up the same whether they are somehow "padded" or they are not. Irrelevant.

I personally look at; NCAA level of competition, NCAA resume', physical measurables, off field behavior, work ethic, and then their particular team and situation. For those that want to sell based off of volume, snaps, or lack there of.... you then must be the very people that draft for need, and weigh situation over talent. Seems incredibly odd to me. Sell a 23 year old wr now because you think his snap count will drop? During his rookie and sophomore years, as a 21 and 22 year old out of Vanderbilt, .... he was a wr2 for fantasy purposes. A kid with his blood lines, his character, his work ethic... I'm not so sure that he will not ascend into low end wr1 type production. To assume that NO growth or improvement will occur in his game seems an odd way to look at the situation imo. I do own him in a couple leagues and am not looking to sell. He seems to fit exactly what I'm looking for in a young wr.

stat lines from last two seasons:

Year Receiving
Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg 100+ TD
2014 PHI 16 67 872 54.5 13.0 3 8
2015 PHI 16 85 997 62.3 11.7 4 8

Jordan Matthews's
Game Receiving Rushing Fumb. KO Ret Punt Ret
Week Date Opp Rec Yds Avg TD Rush Yds Avg TD Lost Yds TD Yds TD
1 Sep 14 @ATL 10 102 10.2 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 Sep 20 DAL 6 80 13.3 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 Sep 27 @NYJ 6 49 8.2 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
4 Oct 4 @WAS 3 50 16.7 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
5 Oct 11 NO 5 44 8.8 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
6 Oct 19 NYG 6 59 9.8 0 0 0 .0 0 1 0 0 0 0
7 Oct 25 @CAR 3 14 4.7 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
9 Nov 8 @DAL 9 133 14.8 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10 Nov 15 MIA 3 21 7.0 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11 Nov 22 TB 4 13 3.3 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12 Nov 26 @DET 3 60 20.0 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
13 Dec 6 @NE 3 36 12.0 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
14 Dec 13 BUF 3 19 6.3 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
15 Dec 20 ARZ 8 159 19.9 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
16 Dec 26 WAS 6 104 17.3 1 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0
17 Jan 3 @NYG 7 54 7.7 2 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0

News from Rotoworld:
Jordan Matthews expects his snap percentage to rise playing on the outside more this season.
Matthews ran over 90 percent of his routes in the slot under ex-coach Chip Kelly. He only played 79 percent of the Eagles' 2015 offensive snaps, and came off the field frequently in two-receiver formations. On the flip side, Kelly's exit is likely to cost Matthews more overall snaps because of the fast tempo with which Kelly's offenses played. Whereas Kelly's Eagles ranked first and second in offensive plays in 2014-2015, new coach Doug Peterson's Chiefs offenses have ranked 29th and 31st the past two years.

But he isn't getting Julio numbers his first 2 year, thus he must be bad. Good post.

[Jfever]

Matthews owners better hope Pederson isn't much like Reid. The Eagles averaged 622 pass attempts in 2014 and 2015. The Chiefs averaged 483 over the same two seasons.

So.... Am I to read between the lines here? Jules, your post hints toward the side of the skeptic. It hints toward us taking a look at a 23 year old wr's situation and then weighing it heavily. IMO, this is a problem and it goes against some of my core philosophies of team building.

I could and will just say that fantasy owners better hope that player X stay healthy, or player X stay out of trouble, on and on.

As of now, J.Matthews is the most talented wr and offensive weapon on his team. I don't see them bringing in a WR1 to take over that role anytime soon. That idea / concept is nothing shy of a reach. They should target the rb postion in the draft at some point. I think they have the 8th pick and no 2nd rounder. They may reach on Zeke. IMO, this helps J.Matthews.

Per the statement about Reid vs Pederson vs Chip Kelly... I'm willing to concede that the total offensive snap count goes down, Matthew's total offensive snaps will also likely go down. However, I'm not willing to say with any confidence that those two reductions will automatically equate to a reduction in his production.