Why not D'Andre Swift?

[Pac_Eddy]

Remember when people passed on this guy for CEH due to landing spot?

Good times by those fools.

I'm one of those fools. It's closer now, but I think I'd still take CEH.

So... So you're still calling yourself a fool?

Ask again in three years.

[SoftwoodGrampian]

Earmarked

[FantasyFreak]

Remember when people passed on this guy for CEH due to landing spot?

Good times by those fools.

I think there were few people who did that. There were many who thought Clyde was a very good RB, and the combination of that and landing spot made them choose him. I think most people expected more passing game work from Clyde, which hasn't materialized. Clyde has looked good his last few games (the back to back 100 yard rushing with a TD games before his injury, and the last game). His touches were a bit more limited his first game back, but he looked spry. Not sure why you're so quick to write their whole careers off as known, that Swift will have a better one than CEH. I actually roster both players, but I don't pretend to know how the rest of their careers are going to shake out. Swift would certainly hold more value for trades right now, but a lot can change over the next few years.

[DJB]

Remember when people passed on this guy for CEH due to landing spot?

Good times by those fools.

I think there were few people who did that. There were many who thought Clyde was a very good RB, and the combination of that and landing spot made them choose him. I think most people expected more passing game work from Clyde, which hasn't materialized. Clyde has looked good his last few games (the back to back 100 yard rushing with a TD games before his injury, and the last game). His touches were a bit more limited his first game back, but he looked spry. Not sure why you're so quick to write their whole careers off as known, that Swift will have a better one than CEH. I actually roster both players, but I don't pretend to know how the rest of their careers are going to shake out. Swift would certainly hold more value for trades right now, but a lot can change over the next few years.

I actually was a massive CEH fan pe draft. I gave him a ton of love when many others weren't even talking about him.

But come rookie draft season he was the classic landing spot vs talent choice. On the ADP rookie chart he was #1 over better talents. I even wrote a massive article in August 2020 about how this was going to be a mistake because choosing landing spot over talent rarely works out.

And regardless if CEH has looked better of late which I agree, you couldn't trade me two CEH's for my Swift.

And for that reason I and others were correct in not reaching for the situation over the more talented player in Swift who clearly has more value.

[YouMightDieTryin]

Both Swift and CEH have been some of the most injury prone players lately. Not sure you want stock in either if they continue down this path as they'll spend more time on your bench. Both are undersized and underutilized for what they should be doing. Swift is the better overall value, but I'd sell both personally if I could get a decent return.

[SoftwoodGrampian]

Both Swift and CEH have been some of the most injury prone players lately. Not sure you want stock in either if they continue down this path as they'll spend more time on your bench. Both are undersized and underutilized for what they should be doing. Swift is the better overall value, but I'd sell both personally if I could get a decent return.

Swift hasn’t missed a game all year. He’s day to day right now with a mild shoulder sprain and they’re talking about him suiting up.

[FantasyFreak]

Remember when people passed on this guy for CEH due to landing spot?

Good times by those fools.

I think there were few people who did that. There were many who thought Clyde was a very good RB, and the combination of that and landing spot made them choose him. I think most people expected more passing game work from Clyde, which hasn't materialized. Clyde has looked good his last few games (the back to back 100 yard rushing with a TD games before his injury, and the last game). His touches were a bit more limited his first game back, but he looked spry. Not sure why you're so quick to write their whole careers off as known, that Swift will have a better one than CEH. I actually roster both players, but I don't pretend to know how the rest of their careers are going to shake out. Swift would certainly hold more value for trades right now, but a lot can change over the next few years.

I actually was a massive CEH fan pe draft. I gave him a ton of love when many others weren't even talking about him.

But come rookie draft season he was the classic landing spot vs talent choice. On the ADP rookie chart he was #1 over better talents. I even wrote a massive article in August 2020 about how this was going to be a mistake because choosing landing spot over talent rarely works out.

And regardless if CEH has looked better of late which I agree, you couldn't trade me two CEH's for my Swift.

And for that reason I and others were correct in not reaching for the situation over the more talented player in Swift who clearly has more value.

As I said, I roster both players, but the reason Swift is outscoring CEH in PPG is usage, plain and simple. CEH is averaging almost a yard per carry more than Swift. Swift is just getting way more targets. Ironically, it's situation that is in large part, the reason for that. I doubt his target share will ever be higher than this year, as I stated a while back. The Lions have absolutely nothing at the WR position, and that will likely change in future years. The mistake of basing it on situation, turns out that Andy Reid decided not to use CEH's talent as a receiving back the way many thought he would. They assumed rational coaching. They assumed because he drafted one of the best receiving backs in the country, that he would deploy CEH in that fashion, but Reid did not, and does not. That's the difference between the 2 really. Targets. Not talent. One of CEH's main talent's isn't even being used to it's ceiling. I mean, sure you can claim that there is some huge talent gap between the 2, but that's simply your opinion. Both went in the same area of the draft, and one is simply being deployed in a way that suits a made up scoring system (PPR) for a fake game that doesn't affect the NFL and it's teams. CEH has averaged more yards per game to this stage of his career than Swift.

[Cameron Giles]

Both Swift and CEH have been some of the most injury prone players lately. Not sure you want stock in either if they continue down this path as they'll spend more time on your bench. Both are undersized and underutilized for what they should be doing. Swift is the better overall value, but I'd sell both personally if I could get a decent return.

I feel like we're way too quick to call players injury prone. The majority of players in the NFL are dinged up and on the injury report throughout the season and just playing through it as well as they can.

Swift has missed 3 games out of 24 and it was because of a concussion. He was on the injury report for a groin injury earlier in the season, but played through it.

We'll see how much time he misses from this, but so far there's nothing unusual about his health.

[Pac_Eddy]

I don't agree that Swift is more talented than CEH, and while his landing spot in KC was nice, it's not the sole reason that I and others took him over Swift.

And for both players, counting games missed is misleading when talking about injuries. You should include partial games, and how often you're sweating out Sunday morning statuses. Not easy to do, but it's a big difference that usually the owners of the player really notices.

[YouMightDieTryin]

I don't agree that Swift is more talented than CEH, and while his landing spot in KC was nice, it's not the sole reason that I and others took him over Swift.

And for both players, counting games missed is misleading when talking about injuries. You should include partial games, and how often you're sweating out Sunday morning statuses. Not easy to do, but it's a big difference that usually the owners of the player really notices.

This is what I meant by Swift being injury prone. He manages to still play, which gives you hope, but at what cost to him during the game. Is he truly getting the reps he should or is he limited every game? I know every player is going to have dings and bruises, but they also don't put those on the injury report every. single. week. There seems to be more with Swift. I love the player, but hate the game. I'd still gladly sell for his ransom.

[Pac_Eddy]

I don't agree that Swift is more talented than CEH, and while his landing spot in KC was nice, it's not the sole reason that I and others took him over Swift.

And for both players, counting games missed is misleading when talking about injuries. You should include partial games, and how often you're sweating out Sunday morning statuses. Not easy to do, but it's a big difference that usually the owners of the player really notices.

This is what I meant by Swift being injury prone. He manages to still play, which gives you hope, but at what cost to him during the game. Is he truly getting the reps he should or is he limited every game? I know every player is going to have dings and bruises, but they also don't put those on the injury report every. single. week. There seems to be more with Swift. I love the player, but hate the game. I'd still gladly sell for his ransom.

Maybe we should start comparing % of snaps per game and year. While that isn't a perfect solution, it may help.

[Cameron Giles]

I don't agree that Swift is more talented than CEH, and while his landing spot in KC was nice, it's not the sole reason that I and others took him over Swift.

And for both players, counting games missed is misleading when talking about injuries. You should include partial games, and how often you're sweating out Sunday morning statuses. Not easy to do, but it's a big difference that usually the owners of the player really notices.

But again, this is something every player goes through at some point. Swift's history of being questionable + missing games isn't different from the typical player.

2020: Concussion (missed 3 games, on injury report for 3 weeks)

2021: Groin (missed 0 games, on injury report for 7 weeks)

How many of the games this season was he a legitimate GTD for? Maybe one?

It's football. Every player is playing through something. Unless it's a really significant injury history of a player constantly having major injuries, I wouldn't sell around it.

[Mike11]

Totally agree with Cameron. Calling him injury prone is nutso crazy.

To extrapolate further, “he’s dinged up and it could limit him”. Okay? He was RB 5 going into this game, was he very limited?

-Akers torn Achilles
-CEH IR stints back to back years
-Dobbins torn ACL
-Gibson legitimately banged up knee and you’re actually worried
-JRob missed games this year too, slap injury prone on him too

Non-second year backs
-Henry
-Etienne
-Cook
-Barkley
-Chubb
-Hunt
-Aaron Jones

It’s football, he hasn’t even missed a game yet this year, you think this guy is injury prone? Darren McFadden would love to have a word with you. Now that we have a 17 game, 18 week season expect there to be some load management to get guys through the year.

[lukkynumber13]

Remember when people passed on this guy for CEH due to landing spot?

Good times by those fools.

I'm one of those fools. It's closer now, but I think I'd still take CEH.

Can you PLEASE explain your reasoning?

[Pac_Eddy]

Remember when people passed on this guy for CEH due to landing spot?

Good times by those fools.

I'm one of those fools. It's closer now, but I think I'd still take CEH.

Can you PLEASE explain your reasoning?

I like CEH's game better. Swift runs upright, kind of like McFadden. I think CEH's smaller stature and lateral agility will help him last longer.

I think the Chiefs will wise up with their usage of their RB, and I don't trust the Lions organization, so Swift may be at his peak now. They may have a new coach in a little over a year.

This game is the most fun when I go with my gut, and I'll accept the results if I'm wrong.