Should terrible trades be reversed?

General talk about Dynasty Leagues.
mrschrod
Combine Attendee
Combine Attendee
Posts: 28
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:02 pm

Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby mrschrod » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:02 pm

Hi all,

I know some have strong thoughts on trades being reversed (as do I almost all the time), but a trade happened in my league that I feel threatens the integrity of one of my leagues.

A rebuilding team traded away D'Andre Swift to a contending team for Robert Woods in a non PPR league.

I can't think of any reason why a trade like this would be accepted, and before I make any rash decisions I wanted to get the input from this forum.

Thanks in advance

Shankopotamus
Starter
Starter
Posts: 675
Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:40 am

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby Shankopotamus » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:01 pm

Sounds like the taco got got again.
12 Team Super-Flex TEP Dynasty
22 CHAMP :dance:
(2019 & 2020 Runner-Up) :wall:


1 QB, 3 RB, 4 WR, Flex, SF, 2 TE

3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 1 Flex IDP


QB- Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson, Marcus Mariota, Gardner Minshew, Sam Ehlinger
RB- D’Andre Swift, Nick Chubb, Javonte Williams, Cam Akers, Kyren Williams, Jerome Ford, D’Ernest Johnson, Darrell Henderson
WR- DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, Chris Godwin, Jameson Williams, Gabe Davis, Hollywood Brown, Josh Reynolds, Calvin Austin, Laviska Shenault, Kyle Phillips
TE-Mark Andrews, Greg Dulcich, Isaiah Likely, Donald Parham, Tyler Conklin
DL-Danielle Hunter, Nick Bosa, Deforest Buckner, Jonathon Allen
LB- Micah Parsons, Jack Sanborn, Logan Wilson, Cole Holcomb, Nakobe Dean, Brian Asamoah
DB-Jeremy Chinn, Jalen Pitre, Jalen Thompson, Kam Curl, Darrick Forrest
K-Tyler Bass

User avatar
gogobradyarm
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1682
Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:39 am
Location: Twitter.com/DrEvilsDynasty
Contact:

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby gogobradyarm » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:06 pm

No way i'd reverse this unless both parties in the trade wanted it (aka a 2nd trade lol). What seems unfair today, may be fair tomorrow. While that is unlikely with this trade, you simply can't play the role of gate keeper, without also ruining the integrity of the league. You don't have a crystal ball.

IMO, veto's/reversal's are strictly for when collusion happens.
12 Team - PPR - 30man (2 IR) - 6pt PPTD- 1 QB - 2 RB - 2 WR - 1 Flex - 1 TE
QB: Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, Anthony Richardson, Aidan O'Connell
RB: McCaffrey, Jacobs, Barkley, Zamir White, Jaleel McLaughlin, Dowdle, Zach Evans, Dobbins
WR: AJB, London, Aiyuk, Diontae Johnson, Kupp, Ridley, McLaurin, Dotson, Rashod Bateman
TE: Mandrews, Pitts, Likely, Otton

2024: 1.01, 1.07
2025: 3x 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Champ: 2020, 2021
Year 9 of my league

dondickenson
Starter
Starter
Posts: 544
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:52 am

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby dondickenson » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:03 pm

I agree that vetos are bad for a league. If you want to control a second team then join a second league. But each owner should be allowed to make the moves they see fit for their team as long as collusion is not occurring. If an owner is “destroying the league” with bad trades then the trades aren’t the problem, the owner is. You can vote to remove an owner, but imo if they are a legitimate owner then let them make their choices. Maybe try to make a deal with them based on how you feel they are misvaluing players?

User avatar
gogobradyarm
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1682
Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:39 am
Location: Twitter.com/DrEvilsDynasty
Contact:

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby gogobradyarm » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:14 pm

dondickenson wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:03 pm I agree that vetos are bad for a league. If you want to control a second team then join a second league. But each owner should be allowed to make the moves they see fit for their team as long as collusion is not occurring. If an owner is “destroying the league” with bad trades then the trades aren’t the problem, the owner is. You can vote to remove an owner, but imo if they are a legitimate owner then let them make their choices. Maybe try to make a deal with them based on how you feel they are misvaluing players?
Agree. You should be trying to make trades with this owner if you feel they are off on player values. If this owner is paying their league dues, then it is their money being lost.

The best rule your league can ultimately live by then, is making sure owners pay future league dues for future picks that are involved in trades. This way if someone goes nuts and ruins their team and has no picks, and quits, you can get an owner with that free paid for year incentive.
12 Team - PPR - 30man (2 IR) - 6pt PPTD- 1 QB - 2 RB - 2 WR - 1 Flex - 1 TE
QB: Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, Anthony Richardson, Aidan O'Connell
RB: McCaffrey, Jacobs, Barkley, Zamir White, Jaleel McLaughlin, Dowdle, Zach Evans, Dobbins
WR: AJB, London, Aiyuk, Diontae Johnson, Kupp, Ridley, McLaurin, Dotson, Rashod Bateman
TE: Mandrews, Pitts, Likely, Otton

2024: 1.01, 1.07
2025: 3x 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Champ: 2020, 2021
Year 9 of my league

sloth8u
Degenerate
Degenerate
Posts: 8586
Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:18 pm

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby sloth8u » Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:51 am

I would be in contact with the owner giving swift/receiving woods. I try to hold owners accountable for being aware of player value. Swift is roughly a top 10 value.... Woods may or may not be in the top 100. Does this owner know this? If not, it's time to introduce him to sources to find player value. 1 lopsided trade, meh... But if they keep happening, you won't have a league. Owners don't want to play in (and don't have to play in) leagues that have lopsided trades. 1 owner benefits, 1 owner loses, and the rest get irritated and are left wondering if there is collusion.

Should it be reversed? It's really lopsided, but no...if this owner wants woods over Swift, let it stand. It may be time to find a new owner though. Swift is valued with the very top wrs in the game.... If the owner doesn't know this or doesn't care and made the trade...are they someone you want in the league?

User avatar
Orenthal Shames
Legend
Legend
Posts: 6636
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:13 pm

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:54 am

Horrible, but if dues are paid it stands.
16 team league
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs

QB: Watson, Flacco
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Downs, Mims, Douglas, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.08, 1.14, 2nd x2

User avatar
Anteaters
Legend
Legend
Posts: 6306
Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:07 am

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby Anteaters » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:00 am

sloth8u wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:51 am Should it be reversed? It's really lopsided, but no...if this owner wants woods over Swift, let it stand.
++
Horrible trade, but unless you have a strong reason to suspect collusion I'd allow it.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Tre Tucker, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
IR: Mike Williams (WR), Joey Bosa (DL)
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

User avatar
MEuRaH
Legend
Legend
Posts: 6777
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:57 pm

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby MEuRaH » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:21 am

This trade should stand. Trading is an art form and some people are great at it. It's part of the game.

This isn't a good trade but I've seen trades stand that were far worse than this.
ULTIMATE RB GURUs
2021 RB Injury Guru: abloom "Akers will suffer an ACL injury in the preseason and does not play during the season."
2021 RB Guru: qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj & McCafsteez -- Winners of the Antonio Gibson Wager!

REAL RB GURUs:
CubfanAA - Anteaters - Ice - JJRules - TheNuts - jtk1234 - Bronco Billy - YouMightDieTryin - hockeyBjj - honcho55 - murphysxm - Patsfan86 - jman3134

cazzie33
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1548
Joined: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:37 pm

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby cazzie33 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:58 am

Trade is absolute garbage for a rebuilding team. So either there is something shady going on ... total lack of commitment from rebuilding owner to get equitable return... or a clueless GM

Simple posting that Swift was available would get far more in return. Now can you veto it probably not but I’d be looking to bail on any lg that has such shenanigans happening. Hopefully not a big money lg or I would be pissed

User avatar
Anteaters
Legend
Legend
Posts: 6306
Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:07 am

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby Anteaters » Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:52 am

I just looked up some things.

Robert Woods has had a slow start, but he isn't that bad, even in non-PPR. In 2020, Woods finished as WR13 and the argument could be made he was a WR1. The age is a concern, but historically Woods has been as healthy as any WR. Starting in 2014 he's missed a total of 10 games. Also, with a huge improvement at QB, the owner could be thinking it's just a matter of time before Woods explodes.

Ridley has had a slow start too, even worse than Woods, and I don't think as many people would cry foul if the trade had been for Ridley.

Looking back at this trade, it's not a slam dunk "horrible" trade as I said earlier. It's not great, and the Swift owner definitely could have done better, but Woods isn't a scrub.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Tre Tucker, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
IR: Mike Williams (WR), Joey Bosa (DL)
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

abloom
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 11529
Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:33 am

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby abloom » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:25 pm

Unless it's collusion the trade should stand. If it's collusion, you should boot both and get two replacement owner.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, Fields, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens, wilson
T: Kelce, Goedert, Thomas, woods
D: cle, nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson, Browning, Rudolph, Zappe
R: Swift, Walker, Dobbins, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen, Nuk, Tre tucker, C Samuel,
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
https://www49.myfantasyleague.com/2023/ ... =0004&O=01

Team #5 4th
https://www45.myfantasyleague.com/2023/ ... =0009&O=01

User avatar
The MAC Machine
Captain
Captain
Posts: 846
Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:38 am

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby The MAC Machine » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:08 pm

What actually makes this trade terrible?



Once we have that conversation I think it would be pretty clear that this isnt really veto worthy. It may not be popular, ideal, or what we think is max value or what we think a team should do in the position they are in. But those things arent logical, substantive reasons to veto a trade. In a non PPR Swifts value and potential goes down dramatically.
The Handle Formerly Known as "The Godwin Complex"
⛳️Jaguars will finish 11-6 and make the playoffs
⛳️If Sam Darnold finishes outside of the top 13 QB in 2021 then StripesOfKC & Sriracha get to decide what my new handle and icon will be. :thumbup:

12 TEAM SUPERFLEX PPR
START: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 SUPERFLEX
ROSTER STARTERS
QB: S. Darnold (CAR)
RB: J. Jacobs (LV), L. Fournette (TB)
WR: Cooper (DAL), Ridley (ATL), M. Williams (LAC)
TE: R. Seals-Jones (WAS), M. Alie-Cox (IND)
FLEX: Sutton (DEN), J. Smith-Schuster (PIT), D. Harris (NE)
SUPERFLEX: M. Jones (NE)


BENCH:
QB: Rudolph (PIT), Book (NO), Minshew (PHL), Stidham (NE)
RB: Cord. Patterson (ATL), A. Collins (SEA), D. Dallas (SEA), K. Vaughn (TB), JJ Taylor (NE), S. Perine (CIN)
WR: M. Jones (JAX), Zaccheus (ATL), G. Olszewski (NE)
TE: B. Jarwin (DAL), D. Asiasi (NE)
IR: Tre' Q. Smith (NO), Tyrod Taylor (HOU), Chark Jr (JAX), R. Penny (SEA)

CubfanAA
Practice Squad
Practice Squad
Posts: 205
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:20 am

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby CubfanAA » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:29 am

The MAC Machine wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:08 pm What actually makes this trade terrible?



Once we have that conversation I think it would be pretty clear that this isnt really veto worthy. It may not be popular, ideal, or what we think is max value or what we think a team should do in the position they are in. But those things arent logical, substantive reasons to veto a trade. In a non PPR Swifts value and potential goes down dramatically.
Exactly this. Swift is probably one of the players that loses the most value going from PPR to non-PPR. I actually like the Woods side of this trade for a rebuilding team so it just goes to show how much player values can vary and most of the so-called "terrible" trades really aren't that bad.

Cameron Giles
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 14224
Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:06 pm

Re: Should terrible trades be reversed?

Postby Cameron Giles » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:54 am

Why does a rebuilding team value Woods over Swift? Even in a standard scoring league where Swift loses some value, it doesn't make sense.

To me, deals should only be reversed if it threatens the credibility of the league (collusion) and/or is just intellectually dishonest (someone trading Justin Jefferson for waiver wire garbage or something).

This is a bad, nonsensical deal, but I don't think it qualifies. I'd still would like to know why a rebuilding team values a 30-year-old WR over a 22-year-old RB.


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ahrefs [Bot], FantasyFreak and 10 guests