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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby azthecrow » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:39 am

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I don’t understand why anyone would be against The use of hydroxychloroquine. Many doctors have stated that it has saved lives and it has been FDA approved forever. Seems like it should be looked at positively.
It's simple. There are conflicting studies. Some show that hydroxychloroquine has no benefit, others show it has some benefit, and others show that it can actually be detrimental. For a brief synopsis with additional links to primary articles feel free to read
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2020388
Thank you for that information :thumbup:
I have relatives in Imperial County, CA where there is a significant outbreak and they have told me that hydroxychloroquine is being prescribed and effective there. I have been able to avoid the virus to this point but am interested in the various ways that it is being treated.

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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby abloom » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:32 am

azthecrow wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:39 am
abloom wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:12 am
azthecrow wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:46 pm
I don’t understand why anyone would be against The use of hydroxychloroquine. Many doctors have stated that it has saved lives and it has been FDA approved forever. Seems like it should be looked at positively.
It's simple. There are conflicting studies. Some show that hydroxychloroquine has no benefit, others show it has some benefit, and others show that it can actually be detrimental. For a brief synopsis with additional links to primary articles feel free to read
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2020388
Thank you for that information :thumbup:
I have relatives in Imperial County, CA where there is a significant outbreak and they have told me that hydroxychloroquine is being prescribed and effective there. I have been able to avoid the virus to this point but am interested in the various ways that it is being treated.
Your relatives likely have no basis to know if it is effective or not. True tests look at large scale populations with and without treatment hopefully with patients at a variety of severity of covid19 infections. The majority of studies so far have lacked these standards and that is why there is significant disagreement between studies.
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Postby azthecrow » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:44 am

abloom wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:32 am
azthecrow wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:39 am
abloom wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:12 am


It's simple. There are conflicting studies. Some show that hydroxychloroquine has no benefit, others show it has some benefit, and others show that it can actually be detrimental. For a brief synopsis with additional links to primary articles feel free to read
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2020388
Thank you for that information :thumbup:
I have relatives in Imperial County, CA where there is a significant outbreak and they have told me that hydroxychloroquine is being prescribed and effective there. I have been able to avoid the virus to this point but am interested in the various ways that it is being treated.
Your relatives likely have no basis to know if it is effective or not. True tests look at large scale populations with and without treatment hopefully with patients at a variety of severity of covid19 infections. The majority of studies so far have lacked these standards and that is why there is significant disagreement between studies.
That’s likely possible.

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Postby murphysxm » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:52 am

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I think we're on the same page here. I've been home for four months. Haven't left the house except to pick up groceries at Target, take a walk with the dog, or pick up a prescription at Walgreens. I tested positive two days ago. My wife and kids tested negative. I don't know how I got it. Grocery delivery? Wife a carrier (she went to three stores one day, with mask). Luckily I'm asymptomatic. Seems to be a mild case. But I don't know what the long-term effects will be.
Glad to here you are asymptomatic. The 14 day bubble is tough. My family just emerged after an exposure with a positive case.

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Postby azthecrow » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:41 am

I found this article about a physician in Imperial County, CA using hydroxychloroquine. Very interesting.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... ebc1a.html

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Postby millworkguy » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:55 am

azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:41 am
I found this article about a physician in Imperial County, CA using hydroxychloroquine. Very interesting.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... ebc1a.html
I think the 2 biggest issues with this is, it's not a study, just as we have an asymptomatic member (writing above) there is no proof the drug actually did anything. (Similar to the statement I've never been in a car accident because I stop at every stop sign, prove to me that the 2 occurrences have any correlation). Secondly, the doctor stated that the treatment has to begin within the 1st 5 days, while testing results taking longer the opportunity to begin treatment in poor.

Also remember he is making his own cocktails, how do you determine which of the drugs he gave is the 1 leading to the desired outcome. Like drinking 6 different brands of beers in an evening, and them claiming you know which one of them made you drunk, and therefore never wanting to drink that brand again.
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Postby azthecrow » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:08 pm

millworkguy wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:55 am
azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:41 am
I found this article about a physician in Imperial County, CA using hydroxychloroquine. Very interesting.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... ebc1a.html
I think the 2 biggest issues with this is, it's not a study, just as we have an asymptomatic member (writing above) there is no proof the drug actually did anything. (Similar to the statement I've never been in a car accident because I stop at every stop sign, prove to me that the 2 occurrences have any correlation). Secondly, the doctor stated that the treatment has to begin within the 1st 5 days, while testing results taking longer the opportunity to begin treatment in poor.

Also remember he is making his own cocktails, how do you determine which of the drugs he gave is the 1 leading to the desired outcome. Like drinking 6 different brands of beers in an evening, and them claiming you know which one of them made you drunk, and therefore never wanting to drink that brand again.
My biggest take from it is that there is no negative side effects. I thought that was very positive to read about the 50+ years of use of it with no major problems.
Also, the negative light cast from media outlets for no reason is disappointing if it can actually help some people.
For those that value education he is highly educated and has been a professor. So I don’t think it’s like he’s just mixing up stuff as he goes without tracking what works and what doesn’t. I took it as very positive information overall.
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Postby millworkguy » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:00 pm

azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:08 pm
millworkguy wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:55 am
azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:41 am
I found this article about a physician in Imperial County, CA using hydroxychloroquine. Very interesting.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... ebc1a.html
I think the 2 biggest issues with this is, it's not a study, just as we have an asymptomatic member (writing above) there is no proof the drug actually did anything. (Similar to the statement I've never been in a car accident because I stop at every stop sign, prove to me that the 2 occurrences have any correlation). Secondly, the doctor stated that the treatment has to begin within the 1st 5 days, while testing results taking longer the opportunity to begin treatment in poor.

Also remember he is making his own cocktails, how do you determine which of the drugs he gave is the 1 leading to the desired outcome. Like drinking 6 different brands of beers in an evening, and them claiming you know which one of them made you drunk, and therefore never wanting to drink that brand again.
My biggest take from it is that there is no negative side effects. I thought that was very positive to read about the 50+ years of use of it with no major problems.
Also, the negative light cast from media outlets for no reason is disappointing if it can actually help some people.
For those that value education he is highly educated and has been a professor. So I don’t think it’s like he’s just mixing up drinks as he goes without tracking what works and what doesn’t. I took it as very positive information overall.
For 49 years, it has been used for 1 thing, only recently did that change. Also he doesn't say how many people he has done this for.

So, here is a fact about another drug: when alchohol is consumed in no more then 1 standard beverage a day, there are no instances of the user becoming an alcoholic.

Doesn't mean alcohol is safe (in fact it's the only drug that can cause death in withdrawal) but I've managed to write a true statement about its use, and make its use seem safer then what it really is, and downplay the chances of becoming an alcoholic.
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Postby azthecrow » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:17 pm

^ Well, I guess it’s a perception thing. Glass half empty or half full. I thought it was good news but you don’t see it that way. I hope maybe some others can get something positive from it. I certainly will talk to my doctor and consider it if the virus comes my way.
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Postby millworkguy » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:38 pm

azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:17 pm
^ Well, I guess it’s a perception thing. Glass half empty or half full. I thought it was good news but you don’t see it that way. I hope maybe some others can get something positive from it. I certainly will talk to my doctor and consider it if the virus comes my way.
Appreciate your comments👍
What I'm trying to say, is that as a cocktail, the doctor is assuming which drug is having the positive effect (and are the drugs responsible for the positive effect) Just like drinking vodka and orange juice, and learning it's high in vitamin C, and assuming vodka must be good for you. To me, there are too many variables that he didn't isolate before stating a conclusion
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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby abloom » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:27 pm

azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:41 am
I found this article about a physician in Imperial County, CA using hydroxychloroquine. Very interesting.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... ebc1a.html
This is an opinion and observations based on a small number of patients. It's also not in a peer reviewed journal for some reason. I assume he would have submitted his findings to a peer reviewed journal and it's concerning that it has apparently not been published.

Take what this article says with a very big grain of salt
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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby azthecrow » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:36 pm

abloom wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:27 pm
azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:41 am
I found this article about a physician in Imperial County, CA using hydroxychloroquine. Very interesting.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... ebc1a.html
This is an opinion and observations based on a small number of patients. It's also not in a peer reviewed journal for some reason. I assume he would have submitted his findings to a peer reviewed journal and it's concerning that it has apparently not been published.

Take what this article says with a very big grain of salt
How did you conclude that this is based on a small number of patients, and what do you consider a small number of patients? I ask because another article I read said he and his colleagues have treated thousands.

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Postby millworkguy » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:11 pm

azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:36 pm
abloom wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:27 pm
azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:41 am
I found this article about a physician in Imperial County, CA using hydroxychloroquine. Very interesting.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... ebc1a.html
This is an opinion and observations based on a small number of patients. It's also not in a peer reviewed journal for some reason. I assume he would have submitted his findings to a peer reviewed journal and it's concerning that it has apparently not been published.

Take what this article says with a very big grain of salt
How did you conclude that this is based on a small number of patients, and what do you consider a small number of patients? I ask because another article I read said he and his colleagues have treated thousands.
Imperial county as of aug 1 has seen only 9409 cases. Health grades.com lists 22 family doctors in imperial country for an average of 427 covid patients per doctor
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