COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

[FantasyFreak]

So as a Canadian, I am curious how many American's feel about the bungled handling of this situation, being so far behind the EU and Canada in terms of how they are currently doing with cases and deaths.

Everyone is free to voice their opinions on the situation, in general, of course.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Haha there was already an off-topic COVID thread!

In any case, part of this is our executive leadership consistently, predictably, and seemingly deliberately bungling the response. The irony is that nearly every other world leader is experiencing a polling bump for handling this thing responsibly; meanwhile Trump has mismanaged this with the explicit goal of helping the economy in a bid for re-election, and he’s clearly been hurt at the polls.

That’s just part of it, though. The other part is that we live in a country that now fears and resents expertise and knowledge. Undereducated folks on Facebook seem to refuse to admit that physicians and epidemiologists might know a bit more about what’s going on than they do. You see it here, too. Try to explain any type of data driven concept, and people lose their minds with rage because they were presented with data. We’re doing worse because we have people angrily refusing to wear a mask, and none of it is surprising. It’s just depressing.

[FantasyFreak]

Haha there was already an off-topic COVID thread!

In any case, part of this is our executive leadership consistently, predictably, and seemingly deliberately bungling the response. The irony is that nearly every other world leader is experiencing a polling bump for handling this thing responsibly; meanwhile Trump has mismanaged this with the explicit goal of helping the economy in a bid for re-election, and he’s clearly been hurt at the polls.

That’s just part of it, though. The other part is that we live in a country that now fears and resents expertise and knowledge. Undereducated folks on Facebook seem to refuse to admit that physicians and epidemiologists might know a bit more about what’s going on than they do. You see it here, too. Try to explain any type of data driven concept, and people lose their minds with rage because they were presented with data. We’re doing worse because we have people angrily refusing to wear a mask, and none of it is surprising. It’s just depressing.

It's insane, but what do you expect when your glorious leaded promotes that idea? A man who openly admits hits approval rating is worth the cost of American lives.

[Bot101]

The bungling of covid response in the States is equally the fault of every day people as it is leadership. Even after California locked down early, very few people obeyed the stay at home order, and nobody wore masks. Now California is mandating masks in public, I still see so many people without them on. I never realized there were so many arrogant and prideful people that I pass by daily. Even people I previously thought were level headed people have shown their true colors. Does wearing a mask suck? Sure. But its a small price to pay to help others. If the vast majority of people would do their part we will go back to a reasonable level of normalcy much quicker. But compassion and love for neighbor is all but gone in today's world.

[FantasyFreak]

The bungling of covid response in the States is equally the fault of every day people as it is leadership. Even after California locked down early, very few people obeyed the stay at home order, and nobody wore masks. Now California is mandating masks in public, I still see so many people without them on. I never realized there were so many arrogant and prideful people that I pass by daily. Even people I previously thought were level headed people have shown their true colors. Does wearing a mask suck? Sure. But its a small price to pay to help others. If the vast majority of people would do their part we will go back to a reasonable level of normalcy much quicker. But compassion and love for neighbor is all but gone in today's world.

Sad to hear. It really is telling, though. The me first culture at it's most obvious. It would seem like an obvious choice. Wear a mask vs killing Grandma, but apparently not. It's people like this idiot, that are the problem, regardless of your political affiliation. Wearing or not wearing a mask doesn't have to be a politicized agenda, but for some, it is. People like this that can't suffer through a very minor inconvenience to save lives, and spit in the face of science while claiming they are the victim.

https://www.leader-call.com/opinion/col ... 0264c.html

[wickerkat1212]

The other thread got shut down before I could comment. The statement was that more white people are killed by cops than Black people. YES, that's true because white people make up 76% of the population, whereas Black people make up 16%. Black people are THREE TIMES more likely to be killed by cops than white people.

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 ... e-by-race/

As far as the virus, things are bad, and getting worse. I personally think things won't get better until we get a vaccine. Half the country won't wear a mask or stay home. Idiots.

[FantasyFreak]

The other thread got shut down before I could comment. The statement was that more white people are killed by cops than Black people. YES, that's true because white people make up 76% of the population, whereas Black people make up 16%. Black people are THREE TIMES more likely to be killed by cops than white people.

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 ... e-by-race/

As far as the virus, things are bad, and getting worse. I personally think things won't get better until we get a vaccine. Half the country won't wear a mask or stay home. Idiots.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/28/85-infect ... llege-bar/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... recording/

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I believe there are several factors that have led to the spikes in Covid19, and the continued problem that the vast majority of the country will have in containing/fighting it.

First the non-political angles:
(1) There is a rather large population (probably globaly, but including in the US) of people who have severe distrust of the scientific community. There are several groups that make up this population, but they include more fringe groups: Anti-Vaxers, Flat earther, to larger groups such as global warming deniers and evolution deniers. Is science 100% correct all the time, certainly not, but we use a systematic approach to test hypothesis. These groups are far more likely to not believe in wearing masks. Of course as noted, these groups exist throughout the world.

(2) There are simply people who are either not aware, or don't care, that while non N95 masks may not be great at preventing you from getting COVID19, they are very effective in preventing an infected person from transmitting the virus via coughing, sneezing, and breathing. N95s also are not perfect in preventing the spread of infection (thus why nurses/doctors treating Covid19 patients also wear face shields. As long as there are people who refuse to wear masks, they will continue to be reservoirs and vectors for Covid19. This is especially concerning with recent evidence, that those with mild cases appear to lose a significant portion of their Covid19 antibodies 2-3 months after infection, possibly (though not certain yet), allowing them to become re-infected and then infect others. As of right now, there is no evidence that suggests you cannot get Covid19 multiple times (hey look, I made a Fantasy football connection here, there is no guarantee that just because Zeke got infected now, that he won't be infected again during the season)

Okay onto the political angle:
(3) As stated above there are non-political reasons that we are in the situation we currently are in but the largest has been a political influence. From the very beginning, Trump has hooked himself up to the stock market and economy. No matter what was going on, he always stated that he of course should be re-elected due to the economy. The reason why so many presidents don't like to use this reasoning is because of what we have seen. If the economy/stock market is then hit, it implies that the president is responsible and therefor shouldn't be re-elected. With the unemployment rate skyrocketing, he demanded that businesses get open, rolling the dice that Covid19 could be contained. Afterall, if the opening was successful the economy would be back and he would get praise for doing it. We also see him refusing to wear a mask in public, which has caused others to do the same. However what he doesn't mention is that everyone who is within any distance of him has masks on and are routeinly tested. This doesn't happen to the average Joe. He's also insisted on rallies that aren't properly socially distanced not be interrupted, and that houses of worship open up. He knows that the chances of himself getting Covid19 right now are minimal and he knows that he needs the economy open to have a good shot at re-election. His entire strategy can be summed up by his promotion of Hydroxychloroquine, where he stated that people should take Hydroxychloroquine even if it hadn't been properly studied yet because what was the worst that could happen. The reality was that people taking Hydroxycholoquine faired no better in their recovery from Covid19 and in some cases actually faired worse.

If only Trump had insisted that starting in March that everyone remain at home and wear masks, we may have already been over the worst of Covid19 by now instead of gearing up for another spike.

[TheNuts]

Haha there was already an off-topic COVID thread!

In any case, part of this is our executive leadership consistently, predictably, and seemingly deliberately bungling the response. The irony is that nearly every other world leader is experiencing a polling bump for handling this thing responsibly; meanwhile Trump has mismanaged this with the explicit goal of helping the economy in a bid for re-election, and he’s clearly been hurt at the polls.

That’s just part of it, though. The other part is that we live in a country that now fears and resents expertise and knowledge. Undereducated folks on Facebook seem to refuse to admit that physicians and epidemiologists might know a bit more about what’s going on than they do. You see it here, too. Try to explain any type of data driven concept, and people lose their minds with rage because they were presented with data. We’re doing worse because we have people angrily refusing to wear a mask, and none of it is surprising. It’s just depressing.

Remember when polls said Hilary would win? Polls mean nothing

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Haha there was already an off-topic COVID thread!

In any case, part of this is our executive leadership consistently, predictably, and seemingly deliberately bungling the response. The irony is that nearly every other world leader is experiencing a polling bump for handling this thing responsibly; meanwhile Trump has mismanaged this with the explicit goal of helping the economy in a bid for re-election, and he’s clearly been hurt at the polls.

That’s just part of it, though. The other part is that we live in a country that now fears and resents expertise and knowledge. Undereducated folks on Facebook seem to refuse to admit that physicians and epidemiologists might know a bit more about what’s going on than they do. You see it here, too. Try to explain any type of data driven concept, and people lose their minds with rage because they were presented with data. We’re doing worse because we have people angrily refusing to wear a mask, and none of it is surprising. It’s just depressing.

Remember when polls said Hilary would win? Polls mean nothing

Polls don't mean nothing. Flawed polls are flawed. There is no such thing as a 100% confidence interval.

[murphysxm]

I have pretty strong feelings on this since it has touched me pretty heavily. Bottom line when the leader of our country shrugs it off and refuses to wear a mask because he thinks it makes him look weak, that sends a message to people who think he is a smart person. Americnas are selfish and we are going to be dealing with this longer than any other country in the world. Wear a damn mask.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Haha there was already an off-topic COVID thread!

In any case, part of this is our executive leadership consistently, predictably, and seemingly deliberately bungling the response. The irony is that nearly every other world leader is experiencing a polling bump for handling this thing responsibly; meanwhile Trump has mismanaged this with the explicit goal of helping the economy in a bid for re-election, and he’s clearly been hurt at the polls.

That’s just part of it, though. The other part is that we live in a country that now fears and resents expertise and knowledge. Undereducated folks on Facebook seem to refuse to admit that physicians and epidemiologists might know a bit more about what’s going on than they do. You see it here, too. Try to explain any type of data driven concept, and people lose their minds with rage because they were presented with data. We’re doing worse because we have people angrily refusing to wear a mask, and none of it is surprising. It’s just depressing.

Remember when polls said Hilary would win? Polls mean nothing

Polls don't mean nothing. Flawed polls are flawed. There is no such thing as a 100% confidence interval.

Yeah, this is a great example of how so many people fundamentally misunderstand statistics and probability.

“This event has a 30% chance of happening.”

*event happens*

“YOU WERE WRONG”

[TheNuts]

Remember when polls said Hilary would win? Polls mean nothing

Polls don't mean nothing. Flawed polls are flawed. There is no such thing as a 100% confidence interval.

Yeah, this is a great example of how so many people fundamentally misunderstand statistics and probability.

“This event has a 30% chance of happening.”

*event happens*

“YOU WERE WRONG”

You must not have been watching on election night when every Democrat was completely devestated on TV because they were convinced the polls were right

[OhCruelestRanter]

Polls don't mean nothing. Flawed polls are flawed. There is no such thing as a 100% confidence interval.

Yeah, this is a great example of how so many people fundamentally misunderstand statistics and probability.

“This event has a 30% chance of happening.”

*event happens*

“YOU WERE WRONG”

You must not have been watching on election night when every Democrat was completely devestated on TV because they were convinced the polls were right

These people are the best. You can explain to everybody exactly how their thought process is wrong, and yet they still insist on showing giving everybody a first-hand demonstration.

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Polls don't mean nothing. Flawed polls are flawed. There is no such thing as a 100% confidence interval.

Yeah, this is a great example of how so many people fundamentally misunderstand statistics and probability.

“This event has a 30% chance of happening.”

*event happens*

“YOU WERE WRONG”

You must not have been watching on election night when every Democrat was completely devestated on TV because they were convinced the polls were right

So people were devastated because they (the people, not the polls) were wrong, not because the polls meant nothing?