fantasy impact of coronavirus

[dustyroads]

My post was not about whether or not I think NFL players should get vaccinated (though my thoughts are probably pretty obvious on the topic).
My post was trying to explain why it makes perfect sense and is reasonable for the NFL to ask their players to be. I say ask btw, because unlike some hospitals now they aren't forcing anybody to get the vaccine. They are just forcing them to do things like get tested frequently or workout in separate areas from vaccinated players if they chose not to.

My argument is simply this:

- The science says that vaccinated people have a much, much smaller chance of becoming infected with Covid19, and having minor symptoms if they do.
- It's in the NFL's best financial interest to have the smallest amount of players become infected (I assume the 0.00001% of possibly getting treatable myocarditis after the vaccine as mentioned by another poster will probably have been taken in to account by the teams as well)
- Therefore it's in the NFL's best interest to strongly encourage vaccination by any way they legally can

Now you can go and claim it's just me feeding my ego, or call me names indirectly, or send me "back to Facebook" or whatever , but so far I haven't seen a counter argument to my points above other than "it's personal choice" etc. You know what's also a personal choice? Working for the NFL.

Fact is it's in the NFL's best financial interest to have their players (employees) be vaccinated, so they have every right to incentivize that.

Heck, I have had to sign contracts that forbid me smoking cigarettes, despite being legal. I'm also not allowed to smoke a joint on my days off even though it is legal where I live.

And as far as fantasy relevance, if this leads to more players like Beasley (who wanted to stand up for others apparently) stepping down, then I don't see how this isn't.

I don't think you could have misinterpreted my comment any worse lol. I was agreeing with your original comment, specifically the parts I bolded in my response. And continue to mostly agree with your follow-up comments under the distinction that the NFL and it's players are in a business relationship together and have a vested interest in their ability to perform as employees; as opposed to people who go to places of business as consumers and ask waiters/waitresses/hairdressers/etc "are you vaccinated?". I think your initial comment, and even the follow-up despite obviously misunderstanding my reply, are a positive mentality and approach as opposed to what I laid out on how I see many others dealing with it in their regular lives. Sorry that did not come across apparently.

And getting back to fantasy relevance was about the derailment of the thread away from fantasy, once again, not really directed at you. But when we are having debates about the difference between "experimental" and "EUA", people are linking Reuters articles, IMO that's OOS of fantasy relevance.

All good, in addition to misunderstanding, I definitely may also have been more defensive in my reply than necessary. Appreciate the clarification either way.

Despite agreeing with you, my initial response obviously had some undertones of frustration and defensiveness as well. It's def a topic that gets super heated; especially online when there are minimal if any context that can be gleaned from tone, facial expression, eye contact... combine that with the anonymity of a message board and it's pretty much like setting ourselves up for failure talking about such hot button topics here.

[Bronco Billy]

Despite agreeing with you, my initial response obviously had some undertones of frustration and defensiveness as well. It's def a topic that gets super heated; especially online when there are minimal if any context that can be gleaned from tone, facial expression, eye contact... combine that with the anonymity of a message board and it's pretty much like setting ourselves up for failure talking about such hot button topics here.

It’s because this is an issue that should have next to no political implications and yet has been heavily weaponized politically explicitly for leverage and advantage. It’s disgraceful and shameless, and the amount of misinformation and/or intentional noncoverage of some facts by a 4th estate that is supposed to protect the general public from the political establishment is every bit as disgraceful if not worse.

[dustyroads]

Despite agreeing with you, my initial response obviously had some undertones of frustration and defensiveness as well. It's def a topic that gets super heated; especially online when there are minimal if any context that can be gleaned from tone, facial expression, eye contact... combine that with the anonymity of a message board and it's pretty much like setting ourselves up for failure talking about such hot button topics here.

It’s because this is an issue that should have next to no political implications and yet has been heavily weaponized politically explicitly for leverage and advantage. It’s disgraceful and shameless, and the amount of misinformation and/or intentional noncoverage of some facts by a 4th estate that is supposed to protect the general public from the political establishment is every bit as disgraceful if not worse.

Totally, that's def where it starts. And maybe I'm partially at fault for allowing my disillusionment to drastically lower my bar of expectations, but at this point I fully expect our government and national media to do these things for their own personal and monetary gain. I can at least rationalize that to make sense in my own head. What I can't is the mass public not only willfully eating it, but at this point seeking it out; using it to define who they are as individuals, relying on it to create and sustain their own sense of self worth. Especially when many already buy in to how terrible the media is, but still always making the exception for "their media". "The news lies. Well except the station I watch because they say things I agree with, so they are ok." I don't expect the politicians to stop putting their own self-interest first, I don't expect the media to stop doing whatever they can to increase revenue, I do expect the public (who really gets nothing out of the deal) to stop supporting and defending it. That's probably a mistake as well, but giving up on that is just one step closer to nihilism. And because I love my quotes "“Nihilists, **** me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of national socialism Dude, at least it’s an ethos.”

[Patsfan86]

Back to fantasy, none of this has any impact on how i value dynasty players, ive seen some people say "vaccine status will effect how they value people". This makes no sense to me but to each their own. Worst case scenario a player misses a week or two which happens all the time anyway in the NFL. If people in my league do devalue players over perceived vaccine status then ill be all over that one. If this drops Beasley or Josh Allens value you can rest assured im buying.

[Ruggenater]

It’s being floated that Aaron Rodgers could take advantage of the COVID opt-out option for the 2021 season to sit out the year without risking any loss of contract money. I kinda doubt he does it, as he’d have to commit by 7/2 and he can’t “undo” that decision even if the organization caves to his demands afterwards.

[YouMightDieTryin]

It’s being floated that Aaron Rodgers could take advantage of the COVID opt-out option for the 2021 season to sit out the year without risking any loss of contract money. I kinda doubt he does it, as he’d have to commit by 7/2 and he can’t “undo” that decision even if the organization caves to his demands afterwards.

Rodgers is living his best carefree life right now. It's borderline on whether he wants to come back into the mental headache of the game anymore. Using that loophole doesn't seem like something he would do, but at this point anything is possible.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

And everyone that an unvaccinated person comes in contact with has a choice whether they want to get vaccinated or not. This freedom stuff, it’s just crazy isn’t it?

Well, my asthmatic son can't get vaccinated yet. But let me read more about why I shouldn't care whether people are getting vaxxed or not.

[Bronco Billy]

And everyone that an unvaccinated person comes in contact with has a choice whether they want to get vaccinated or not. This freedom stuff, it’s just crazy isn’t it?

Well, my asthmatic son can't get vaccinated yet. But let me read more about why I shouldn't care whether people are getting vaxxed or not.

I’m sincerely sorry about your son. Given what I’m guessing his age range is, what are the implications if he remains unvaccinated? Given that about 1 out of 10 people in the country have contracted COVID (if the numbers can be trusted) that I’m sure that you need to be careful in his associations. I hope everything turns out well.

But when we’re speaking of your son, I’m guessing that we also are not talking about healthy young people in great physical condition like NFL players?

Regardless, I’ll put you, your son and your family in my thoughts and prayers tonight.

[Rondalebaby]

Healthy young NFL players can still spread COVID to vulnerable members of society, it’s not that difficult to understand.

[Bronco Billy]

Healthy young NFL players can still spread COVID to vulnerable members of society, it’s not that difficult to understand.

Are you advocating to remove choice from the equation?

[Rondalebaby]

Healthy young NFL players can still spread COVID to vulnerable members of society, it’s not that difficult to understand.

Are you advocating to remove choice from the equation?

If you want to choose to be selfish, be my guest.

“1 out of 10 people have contracted COVID, I’m sure you need to be careful with his associations”.

Well if YOU and everybody else decided to get vaccinated, this number would be infinitely smaller, and at risk individuals wouldn’t need to be as careful.

You’ve answered your own question, freedom of choice doesn’t make you immune from choosing selfishly.

[Bronco Billy]

Healthy young NFL players can still spread COVID to vulnerable members of society, it’s not that difficult to understand.

Are you advocating to remove choice from the equation?

If you want to choose to be selfish, be my guest.

“1 out of 10 people have contracted COVID, I’m sure you need to be careful with his associations”.

Well if YOU and everybody else decided to get vaccinated, this number would be infinitely smaller, and at risk individuals wouldn’t need to be as careful.

You’ve answered your own question, freedom of choice doesn’t make you immune from choosing selfishly.

Thanks for the honesty, as well as the impressive display of irony.

[Rondalebaby]

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[OhCruelestRanter]

And everyone that an unvaccinated person comes in contact with has a choice whether they want to get vaccinated or not. This freedom stuff, it’s just crazy isn’t it?

Well, my asthmatic son can't get vaccinated yet. But let me read more about why I shouldn't care whether people are getting vaxxed or not.

I’m sincerely sorry about your son. Given what I’m guessing his age range is, what are the implications if he remains unvaccinated? Given that about 1 out of 10 people in the country have contracted COVID (if the numbers can be trusted) that I’m sure that you need to be careful in his associations. I hope everything turns out well.

But when we’re speaking of your son, I’m guessing that we also are not talking about healthy young people in great physical condition like NFL players?

Regardless, I’ll put you, your son and your family in my thoughts and prayers tonight.

This fake-pious, pretend-concern is one of the worst things I’ve ever seen here. This is gross.

[Csl312]

It's seems lost in this conversation that there are more than just healthy young men employed by the NFL. There are plenty of older people on training staff, coaches, equipment managers, even cleaning staff etc. So theres that too.

Also lost in this conversation is sure it's your choice whether or not to be vaccinated and it should be. But I don't really get why doing something that will protect your community and the most vulnerable members. Asthma was mentioned earlier. Believe it or not there are nfl players with asthma too! It's strange to me that if this were happening in the 1950s people would like up to do something that would be in the best interest of their neighbors, community, and country. Now people who often are the same group that seems to want America to return to the "good old days" of that same Era are those who refuse to take action to help their neighbors out.

Basically none of my post is relevant to fantasy football. Sometimes real life is more important though.