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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby azthecrow » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:23 pm

millworkguy wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:11 pm
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Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:36 pm
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This is an opinion and observations based on a small number of patients. It's also not in a peer reviewed journal for some reason. I assume he would have submitted his findings to a peer reviewed journal and it's concerning that it has apparently not been published.

Take what this article says with a very big grain of salt
How did you conclude that this is based on a small number of patients, and what do you consider a small number of patients? I ask because another article I read said he and his colleagues have treated thousands.
Imperial county as of aug 1 has seen only 9409 cases. Health grades.com lists 22 family doctors in imperial country for an average of 427 covid patients per doctor
This article says his findings are based on studies from colleagues around the world.

https://kyma.com/news/2020/07/24/local- ... -cocktail/

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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby abloom » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:51 am

azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:36 pm
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Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:41 am
I found this article about a physician in Imperial County, CA using hydroxychloroquine. Very interesting.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... ebc1a.html
This is an opinion and observations based on a small number of patients. It's also not in a peer reviewed journal for some reason. I assume he would have submitted his findings to a peer reviewed journal and it's concerning that it has apparently not been published.

Take what this article says with a very big grain of salt
How did you conclude that this is based on a small number of patients, and what do you consider a small number of patients? I ask because another article I read said he and his colleagues have treated thousands.
Because those numbers you gave just there would indicate a small number of people.
Dynasty Team #1: 2019 2nd Place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill,Haskins
R: CMC,Taylor,Fournette,Guice,Peterson,Armstead,Bowden
W: OBJ,Evans, Edelman,Samuel,Funchess
T: Goedert,Henry,Everett
D: NE,BAL
K: Zurlein

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Q: Wilson,Murray,Cousins
R: Taylor,Dobbins,Swift,Gurley,Ingram,Michel,Thompson,J Hill
W: Nuk,Godwin,Sutton,Allen,Edwards,Funchess
T: Fant,Hurst
K: Boswell
D: PIT

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W: Juju, Cooper, Allen, Sanders, Fitzgerald
T: Doyle, Asiasi, Moss, Warring, Witten

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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby abloom » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:54 am

azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:23 pm
millworkguy wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:11 pm
azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:36 pm


How did you conclude that this is based on a small number of patients, and what do you consider a small number of patients? I ask because another article I read said he and his colleagues have treated thousands.
Imperial county as of aug 1 has seen only 9409 cases. Health grades.com lists 22 family doctors in imperial country for an average of 427 covid patients per doctor
This article says his findings are based on studies from colleagues around the world.

https://kyma.com/news/2020/07/24/local- ... -cocktail/
And again is not in a peer reviewed journal. If it's not in a peer reviewed journal you should treat the data as highly suspect. Why you ask? Because peer reviewed journals require detailed explanation of how the data was gathered to ensure that it was gathered accurately and without bias. The fact that either has has not tried to, or not been successful in publishing in a peer reviewed article is concerning.
Dynasty Team #1: 2019 2nd Place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill,Haskins
R: CMC,Taylor,Fournette,Guice,Peterson,Armstead,Bowden
W: OBJ,Evans, Edelman,Samuel,Funchess
T: Goedert,Henry,Everett
D: NE,BAL
K: Zurlein

2021 Picks: 1,4,5,6,7
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12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Wilson,Murray,Cousins
R: Taylor,Dobbins,Swift,Gurley,Ingram,Michel,Thompson,J Hill
W: Nuk,Godwin,Sutton,Allen,Edwards,Funchess
T: Fant,Hurst
K: Boswell
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7
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Q: Mahomes ,Tua, Love, Hoyer, Luck
R: Michel, Moss, Ogunbowale, Hyde, Bernard, Smith, Anderson, Richard, Ahmed, C Thompson
W: Juju, Cooper, Allen, Sanders, Fitzgerald
T: Doyle, Asiasi, Moss, Warring, Witten

2021 Picks: 1,1,1,2,3,4

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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby azthecrow » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:54 am

abloom wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:54 am
azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:23 pm
millworkguy wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:11 pm


Imperial county as of aug 1 has seen only 9409 cases. Health grades.com lists 22 family doctors in imperial country for an average of 427 covid patients per doctor
This article says his findings are based on studies from colleagues around the world.

https://kyma.com/news/2020/07/24/local- ... -cocktail/
And again is not in a peer reviewed journal. If it's not in a peer reviewed journal you should treat the data as highly suspect. Why you ask? Because peer reviewed journals require detailed explanation of how the data was gathered to ensure that it was gathered accurately and without bias. The fact that either has has not tried to, or not been successful in publishing in a peer reviewed article is concerning.
Here’s one that was peer reviewed in IJID stating that HCQ saves lives:
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/ ... ment-study
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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby wickerkat1212 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:42 am

Ray Finkle wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:58 pm
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I think we're on the same page here. I've been home for four months. Haven't left the house except to pick up groceries at Target, take a walk with the dog, or pick up a prescription at Walgreens. I tested positive two days ago. My wife and kids tested negative. I don't know how I got it. Grocery delivery? Wife a carrier (she went to three stores one day, with mask). Luckily I'm asymptomatic. Seems to be a mild case. But I don't know what the long-term effects will be.
Sorry to hear that, sounds like you were being responsible. Hope all goes well. Do you mind me asking why were you tested, being that you’re asymptomatic?

If you are not comfortable answering, feel free to ignore or tell me to go kick rocks.
I'm doing good. But I've been basically locked in my bedroom for ten days now. It sucks. I got texted just because it was across the street, and it was free. My wife was worried about it, so we just decided to get tested. She was negative and I was positive. She's been out more than I have. We got the kids tested (twins, 16) they were negative. So WTH? LOL I honestly don't know how I got it unless somebody in the family was a carrier but didn't get it. I'll get retested next Wed. I just hope there are no long-term damages.
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QB—Allen, Big Ben, Fitz, Tyrod
RB—EE, Henry, Cohen, Mostert, Evans (R), Coleman, JSamuels, Pollard
WR—MThomas, Diggs, Chark, Harry, Lamb (R), Hardman, Butler, Lazard
TE—Doyle, Jonnu, Thomas
PK—Zuerlein
DEF—Ravens

D4:
QB—Watson, Stafford, Fitz
RB—Conner, David & Duke Johnson, Cohen, Howard, Breida, Burkhead, JSamuels, Edmonds
WR—Hill, Allen, Golladay, Jeudy (R), Jeffery, Jefferson (R), Amendola, Miller, Butler, Watson
TE—Olsen, Thomas, Kmet, Trautman
PK—Gostkowski, Prater
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Postby wickerkat1212 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:43 am

murphysxm wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:52 am
wickerkat1212 wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:54 pm

I think we're on the same page here. I've been home for four months. Haven't left the house except to pick up groceries at Target, take a walk with the dog, or pick up a prescription at Walgreens. I tested positive two days ago. My wife and kids tested negative. I don't know how I got it. Grocery delivery? Wife a carrier (she went to three stores one day, with mask). Luckily I'm asymptomatic. Seems to be a mild case. But I don't know what the long-term effects will be.
Glad to here you are asymptomatic. The 14 day bubble is tough. My family just emerged after an exposure with a positive case.
Thanks. Yeah, it's tough. I got the results and immediately took my computer, books, and all to our bedroom and have been here since. Sucks. Luckily I write, edit, and teach online from home. But I miss the family. It sucks.
D3:
QB—Allen, Big Ben, Fitz, Tyrod
RB—EE, Henry, Cohen, Mostert, Evans (R), Coleman, JSamuels, Pollard
WR—MThomas, Diggs, Chark, Harry, Lamb (R), Hardman, Butler, Lazard
TE—Doyle, Jonnu, Thomas
PK—Zuerlein
DEF—Ravens

D4:
QB—Watson, Stafford, Fitz
RB—Conner, David & Duke Johnson, Cohen, Howard, Breida, Burkhead, JSamuels, Edmonds
WR—Hill, Allen, Golladay, Jeudy (R), Jeffery, Jefferson (R), Amendola, Miller, Butler, Watson
TE—Olsen, Thomas, Kmet, Trautman
PK—Gostkowski, Prater
DEF—Bears, Jags

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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby abloom » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:37 pm

azthecrow wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:54 am
abloom wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:54 am
azthecrow wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:23 pm


This article says his findings are based on studies from colleagues around the world.

https://kyma.com/news/2020/07/24/local- ... -cocktail/
And again is not in a peer reviewed journal. If it's not in a peer reviewed journal you should treat the data as highly suspect. Why you ask? Because peer reviewed journals require detailed explanation of how the data was gathered to ensure that it was gathered accurately and without bias. The fact that either has has not tried to, or not been successful in publishing in a peer reviewed article is concerning.
Here’s one that was peer reviewed in IJID stating that HCQ saves lives:
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/ ... ment-study
Yes it states that in a hospital setting with proper monitoring there is evidence to support that hydroquinone decreases death rate. It also states that further testing is needed. Again this is just as I mentioned before that there are conflicting studies. This study was very careful of saying that they did monitor the patients hearts.
Dynasty Team #1: 2019 2nd Place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill,Haskins
R: CMC,Taylor,Fournette,Guice,Peterson,Armstead,Bowden
W: OBJ,Evans, Edelman,Samuel,Funchess
T: Goedert,Henry,Everett
D: NE,BAL
K: Zurlein

2021 Picks: 1,4,5,6,7
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Dynasty Team #2: 2019 3rd place
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Wilson,Murray,Cousins
R: Taylor,Dobbins,Swift,Gurley,Ingram,Michel,Thompson,J Hill
W: Nuk,Godwin,Sutton,Allen,Edwards,Funchess
T: Fant,Hurst
K: Boswell
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7
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Q: Mahomes ,Tua, Love, Hoyer, Luck
R: Michel, Moss, Ogunbowale, Hyde, Bernard, Smith, Anderson, Richard, Ahmed, C Thompson
W: Juju, Cooper, Allen, Sanders, Fitzgerald
T: Doyle, Asiasi, Moss, Warring, Witten

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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby azthecrow » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:46 pm

abloom wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:37 pm
azthecrow wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:54 am
abloom wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:54 am


And again is not in a peer reviewed journal. If it's not in a peer reviewed journal you should treat the data as highly suspect. Why you ask? Because peer reviewed journals require detailed explanation of how the data was gathered to ensure that it was gathered accurately and without bias. The fact that either has has not tried to, or not been successful in publishing in a peer reviewed article is concerning.
Here’s one that was peer reviewed in IJID stating that HCQ saves lives:
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/ ... ment-study
Yes it states that in a hospital setting with proper monitoring there is evidence to support that hydroquinone decreases death rate. It also states that further testing is needed. Again this is just as I mentioned before that there are conflicting studies. This study was very careful of saying that they did monitor the patients hearts.
Well I’m glad it has helped some people. We probably won’t know for awhile if it is proven totally safe and effective. At least a few months..

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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby abloom » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:48 pm

azthecrow wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:46 pm
abloom wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:37 pm
azthecrow wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:54 am


Here’s one that was peer reviewed in IJID stating that HCQ saves lives:
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/ ... ment-study
Yes it states that in a hospital setting with proper monitoring there is evidence to support that hydroquinone decreases death rate. It also states that further testing is needed. Again this is just as I mentioned before that there are conflicting studies. This study was very careful of saying that they did monitor the patients hearts.
Well I’m glad it has helped some people. We probably won’t know for awhile if it is proven totally safe and effective. At least a few months..
You're missing the point. The point is that it is still unclear that they benefitted from it or if they would have had the se results without it. That's the problem when there is conflicting data and different methodology.
Dynasty Team #1: 2019 2nd Place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill,Haskins
R: CMC,Taylor,Fournette,Guice,Peterson,Armstead,Bowden
W: OBJ,Evans, Edelman,Samuel,Funchess
T: Goedert,Henry,Everett
D: NE,BAL
K: Zurlein

2021 Picks: 1,4,5,6,7
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Dynasty Team #2: 2019 3rd place
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Wilson,Murray,Cousins
R: Taylor,Dobbins,Swift,Gurley,Ingram,Michel,Thompson,J Hill
W: Nuk,Godwin,Sutton,Allen,Edwards,Funchess
T: Fant,Hurst
K: Boswell
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7
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Q: Mahomes ,Tua, Love, Hoyer, Luck
R: Michel, Moss, Ogunbowale, Hyde, Bernard, Smith, Anderson, Richard, Ahmed, C Thompson
W: Juju, Cooper, Allen, Sanders, Fitzgerald
T: Doyle, Asiasi, Moss, Warring, Witten

2021 Picks: 1,1,1,2,3,4

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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby azthecrow » Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:04 pm

abloom wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:48 pm
azthecrow wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:46 pm
abloom wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:37 pm


Yes it states that in a hospital setting with proper monitoring there is evidence to support that hydroquinone decreases death rate. It also states that further testing is needed. Again this is just as I mentioned before that there are conflicting studies. This study was very careful of saying that they did monitor the patients hearts.
Well I’m glad it has helped some people. We probably won’t know for awhile if it is proven totally safe and effective. At least a few months..
You're missing the point. The point is that it is still unclear that they benefitted from it or if they would have had the se results without it. That's the problem when there is conflicting data and different methodology.
Oh, I get the point. I understand why it’s taking so long (with so much conflicting data and different methodology).

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Re: COVID. The NON Fantasy football discussion

Postby wickerkat1212 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:48 am

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020051 ... inst-covid

Studies: Hydroxychloroquine Useless Against COVID

FRIDAY, May 15, 2020 (HealthDay News) -- Two new studies are the latest in a series to show that a drug touted by U.S. President Donald Trump as a potential game changer against COVID-19 doesn't work.

Hydroxychloroquine reduces inflammation, pain and swelling, and is widely used to treat rheumatic diseases and malaria.

Laboratory tests of the drug against COVID-19 yielded promising results, but mounting evidence from clinical and observational studies suggest that it doesn't provide any meaningful benefits for COVID-19 patients.
D3:
QB—Allen, Big Ben, Fitz, Tyrod
RB—EE, Henry, Cohen, Mostert, Evans (R), Coleman, JSamuels, Pollard
WR—MThomas, Diggs, Chark, Harry, Lamb (R), Hardman, Butler, Lazard
TE—Doyle, Jonnu, Thomas
PK—Zuerlein
DEF—Ravens

D4:
QB—Watson, Stafford, Fitz
RB—Conner, David & Duke Johnson, Cohen, Howard, Breida, Burkhead, JSamuels, Edmonds
WR—Hill, Allen, Golladay, Jeudy (R), Jeffery, Jefferson (R), Amendola, Miller, Butler, Watson
TE—Olsen, Thomas, Kmet, Trautman
PK—Gostkowski, Prater
DEF—Bears, Jags


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