Kyle Allen Value?

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Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Pete Carroll's Gum » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:35 pm

The Cam owner is asking me about Kyle Allen. He only has 1 starter with Cam out and QBs are hard to come by.

He’s offering any of the following WRs for Kyle Allen, and possibly his 2020 3rd (late).

Cain, Hamilton, Gallup, Jeffery, Zay Jones, D. Thomas and Quinn.

Any of those worth it?

I doubt Keenum is the starter much longer so I won’t have a 3rd starter at some point. If Cam ends up being out longer than expected or they shut him down for the season, Allen could be a game changer for me. Lamar could get hurt at any time...

Thoughts? I’m leading the league in points with Melvin Gordon sitting out, if that helps.
Team 1
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex

QB: Jackson, Goff, Trubisky, Keenum, Kyle Allen, Mullens, Taylor, Finley
RB: Gordon, Mack, Drake, Mostert, Burkhead, Duke Johnson, Mattison, Armstead
WR: Jones, Cooper, Lockett, Cooks, Campbell, Gage, Patrick, Watson, Cain
TE: Engram, Waller
K: Zuerlein
D: Minnesota, SF

Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF

QB: Jones, Burrow, Roethlisberger, Foles, Trubisky, Tyrod
RB: Cook, Taylor, Hunt, Kerryon, Kelley, Mattison, Hines
WR: Hill, Chark, Lockett, Kirk, D. Johnson, P. Williams, Reynolds, Perriman
TE: Andrews, Jarwin
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Servo » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:08 am

Cain, Hamilton, Zay, Demariyus, Trey Quinn = No

Gallup = Possibly

Jeffery = Ehhhh

The thing is, Cam hasn't been healthy all offseason and news just literally broke that he may have a Lisfranc fracture...which could mean 6-8 weeks. With what Allen showed the other day, I'm holding him until I get a good 2nd or God forbid, a 1st.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Pete Carroll's Gum » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:29 am

Yeah I am thinking the same thing. I countered asking for a 1st. We'll see where it goes.
Team 1
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex

QB: Jackson, Goff, Trubisky, Keenum, Kyle Allen, Mullens, Taylor, Finley
RB: Gordon, Mack, Drake, Mostert, Burkhead, Duke Johnson, Mattison, Armstead
WR: Jones, Cooper, Lockett, Cooks, Campbell, Gage, Patrick, Watson, Cain
TE: Engram, Waller
K: Zuerlein
D: Minnesota, SF

Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF

QB: Jones, Burrow, Roethlisberger, Foles, Trubisky, Tyrod
RB: Cook, Taylor, Hunt, Kerryon, Kelley, Mattison, Hines
WR: Hill, Chark, Lockett, Kirk, D. Johnson, P. Williams, Reynolds, Perriman
TE: Andrews, Jarwin
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Blueboy » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:54 am

Pete Carroll's Gum wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:29 am
Yeah I am thinking the same thing. I countered asking for a 1st. We'll see where it goes.
No way he's worth a 1st.

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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Servo » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:25 am

Blueboy wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:54 am
No way he's worth a 1st.
Shoot for the stars and work your way back down.

Allen was a highly touted 5* QB and took a very odd collegiate path, would be pretty crazy to see him become a thing. He's got prime opportunity now.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby mzkp54 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:56 pm

Just traded him to the Cam owner for a 2021 1st
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Kittenmittens » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:30 pm

Blueboy wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:54 am
Pete Carroll's Gum wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:29 am
Yeah I am thinking the same thing. I countered asking for a 1st. We'll see where it goes.
No way he's worth a 1st.
I think he is, easily. After the lisfranc announcement at least. This could be a changing of the guard if Cam can't come back this year and Allen looks as good as he did.

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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:47 am

I'd counter with Allen + 3rd for Gallup + 2nd.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Samhain34 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:12 pm

Get a first or hold. I'm gambling if I've got Allen, especially in SF. Why screw around with a second or some JAG? If Allen hits, he could be worth quite a bit. If he flames out, you missed out on a second. I'd shove all in and try to make a big move later.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby DutchFarmer » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:30 pm

Samhain34 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:12 pm
Get a first or hold. I'm gambling if I've got Allen, especially in SF. Why screw around with a second or some JAG? If Allen hits, he could be worth quite a bit. If he flames out, you missed out on a second. I'd shove all in and try to make a big move later.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Pete Carroll's Gum » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 pm

Well I still have Allen. I’ve been reading articles that suggest that he will potentially keep the job even when Cam comes back. They also said that Cam is a trade candidate due to his high salary and injury concerns.

What to do with Allen? Cam owner might be willing to give his 2021 1st. I’m in win now mode so a 2021 1st doesn’t sound that enticing. If Cam gets traded or cut, Allen is worth more than a 1st in 2QB league.

Thoughts?
Team 1
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex

QB: Jackson, Goff, Trubisky, Keenum, Kyle Allen, Mullens, Taylor, Finley
RB: Gordon, Mack, Drake, Mostert, Burkhead, Duke Johnson, Mattison, Armstead
WR: Jones, Cooper, Lockett, Cooks, Campbell, Gage, Patrick, Watson, Cain
TE: Engram, Waller
K: Zuerlein
D: Minnesota, SF

Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF

QB: Jones, Burrow, Roethlisberger, Foles, Trubisky, Tyrod
RB: Cook, Taylor, Hunt, Kerryon, Kelley, Mattison, Hines
WR: Hill, Chark, Lockett, Kirk, D. Johnson, P. Williams, Reynolds, Perriman
TE: Andrews, Jarwin
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Servo » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:59 am

If you're stuck starting him every week, then it might be tough to get rid of him...even for a good price as you say you're contending.

But, should Cam come back, Allen's value immediately plummets until CAR decides what to do with Cam in the offseason or if he stinks it up the rest of 2019.

From a points standpoint, Allen hasn't done much since his 1st week starting and a 2021 1st would more than likely turn into a pick where you could grab a QB next year...but is Tua/Fromm/Herbert/Burrow a better gamble than Allen? You'd like to think so but who knows.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby moishetreats » Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:52 am

Pete Carroll's Gum wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 pm
Well I still have Allen. I’ve been reading articles that suggest that he will potentially keep the job even when Cam comes back. They also said that Cam is a trade candidate due to his high salary and injury concerns.

What to do with Allen? Cam owner might be willing to give his 2021 1st. I’m in win now mode so a 2021 1st doesn’t sound that enticing. If Cam gets traded or cut, Allen is worth more than a 1st in 2QB league.

Thoughts?
I'd absolutely take a 2021 1st. Odds are that that pick would get you a player far better than Allen. Even if he keeps the job this year, he doesn't look like he will ever be more than a low-end QB2.

And, of course, he could be back on the bench in a matter of weeks...
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Pete Carroll's Gum » Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:22 am

He said he won't do the 2021 1st... Maybe he'll do it once Cam comes back and we know more of what the Panthers are doing.
Team 1
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex

QB: Jackson, Goff, Trubisky, Keenum, Kyle Allen, Mullens, Taylor, Finley
RB: Gordon, Mack, Drake, Mostert, Burkhead, Duke Johnson, Mattison, Armstead
WR: Jones, Cooper, Lockett, Cooks, Campbell, Gage, Patrick, Watson, Cain
TE: Engram, Waller
K: Zuerlein
D: Minnesota, SF

Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF

QB: Jones, Burrow, Roethlisberger, Foles, Trubisky, Tyrod
RB: Cook, Taylor, Hunt, Kerryon, Kelley, Mattison, Hines
WR: Hill, Chark, Lockett, Kirk, D. Johnson, P. Williams, Reynolds, Perriman
TE: Andrews, Jarwin
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?

Postby Servo » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:30 am

Just the kind of game that Allen could not have. I think losing to SF "respectably" wouldn't have been held against him but that was a meltdown.

SF's defense is legitimate, so you take it with a grain but I imagine we'll see Cam sooner rather than later if healthy.
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