Kyle Allen Value?
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Kyle Allen Value?
The Cam owner is asking me about Kyle Allen. He only has 1 starter with Cam out and QBs are hard to come by.
He’s offering any of the following WRs for Kyle Allen, and possibly his 2020 3rd (late).
Cain, Hamilton, Gallup, Jeffery, Zay Jones, D. Thomas and Quinn.
Any of those worth it?
I doubt Keenum is the starter much longer so I won’t have a 3rd starter at some point. If Cam ends up being out longer than expected or they shut him down for the season, Allen could be a game changer for me. Lamar could get hurt at any time...
Thoughts? I’m leading the league in points with Melvin Gordon sitting out, if that helps.
He’s offering any of the following WRs for Kyle Allen, and possibly his 2020 3rd (late).
Cain, Hamilton, Gallup, Jeffery, Zay Jones, D. Thomas and Quinn.
Any of those worth it?
I doubt Keenum is the starter much longer so I won’t have a 3rd starter at some point. If Cam ends up being out longer than expected or they shut him down for the season, Allen could be a game changer for me. Lamar could get hurt at any time...
Thoughts? I’m leading the league in points with Melvin Gordon sitting out, if that helps.
Team 1
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex
QB: Jackson, Kyler, Richardson, Levis, Willis, Trask
RB: Walker, Miller, Spears, Ford, Chandler
WR: Pickens, Lockett, Cooks, Rice, Wilson, Downs, Hodgins, Ross, Tolbert, Hutchinson
TE: LaPorta, Engram, Dulcich, Woods, Ferguson
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st (2x), 2nd (x3), 4th
2025: 1st (2x), 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Jackson, Burrow, Jones, Huntley, Heinicke
RB: Stevenson, Montgomery, Pacheco, Mostert, Hunt, Charbonnet, Wilson, Ford, Mason
WR: Chase, Dionte, Addison, Lockett, Chark, Atwell, Marshall, Osborn
TE: Andrews, Hill, Kmet
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex
QB: Jackson, Kyler, Richardson, Levis, Willis, Trask
RB: Walker, Miller, Spears, Ford, Chandler
WR: Pickens, Lockett, Cooks, Rice, Wilson, Downs, Hodgins, Ross, Tolbert, Hutchinson
TE: LaPorta, Engram, Dulcich, Woods, Ferguson
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st (2x), 2nd (x3), 4th
2025: 1st (2x), 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Jackson, Burrow, Jones, Huntley, Heinicke
RB: Stevenson, Montgomery, Pacheco, Mostert, Hunt, Charbonnet, Wilson, Ford, Mason
WR: Chase, Dionte, Addison, Lockett, Chark, Atwell, Marshall, Osborn
TE: Andrews, Hill, Kmet
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Re: Kyle Allen Value?
Cain, Hamilton, Zay, Demariyus, Trey Quinn = No
Gallup = Possibly
Jeffery = Ehhhh
The thing is, Cam hasn't been healthy all offseason and news just literally broke that he may have a Lisfranc fracture...which could mean 6-8 weeks. With what Allen showed the other day, I'm holding him until I get a good 2nd or God forbid, a 1st.
Gallup = Possibly
Jeffery = Ehhhh
The thing is, Cam hasn't been healthy all offseason and news just literally broke that he may have a Lisfranc fracture...which could mean 6-8 weeks. With what Allen showed the other day, I'm holding him until I get a good 2nd or God forbid, a 1st.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?
Yeah I am thinking the same thing. I countered asking for a 1st. We'll see where it goes.
Team 1
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex
QB: Jackson, Kyler, Richardson, Levis, Willis, Trask
RB: Walker, Miller, Spears, Ford, Chandler
WR: Pickens, Lockett, Cooks, Rice, Wilson, Downs, Hodgins, Ross, Tolbert, Hutchinson
TE: LaPorta, Engram, Dulcich, Woods, Ferguson
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st (2x), 2nd (x3), 4th
2025: 1st (2x), 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Jackson, Burrow, Jones, Huntley, Heinicke
RB: Stevenson, Montgomery, Pacheco, Mostert, Hunt, Charbonnet, Wilson, Ford, Mason
WR: Chase, Dionte, Addison, Lockett, Chark, Atwell, Marshall, Osborn
TE: Andrews, Hill, Kmet
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex
QB: Jackson, Kyler, Richardson, Levis, Willis, Trask
RB: Walker, Miller, Spears, Ford, Chandler
WR: Pickens, Lockett, Cooks, Rice, Wilson, Downs, Hodgins, Ross, Tolbert, Hutchinson
TE: LaPorta, Engram, Dulcich, Woods, Ferguson
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st (2x), 2nd (x3), 4th
2025: 1st (2x), 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Jackson, Burrow, Jones, Huntley, Heinicke
RB: Stevenson, Montgomery, Pacheco, Mostert, Hunt, Charbonnet, Wilson, Ford, Mason
WR: Chase, Dionte, Addison, Lockett, Chark, Atwell, Marshall, Osborn
TE: Andrews, Hill, Kmet
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Re: Kyle Allen Value?
No way he's worth a 1st.Pete Carroll's Gum wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:29 am Yeah I am thinking the same thing. I countered asking for a 1st. We'll see where it goes.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?
Just traded him to the Cam owner for a 2021 1st
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?
I think he is, easily. After the lisfranc announcement at least. This could be a changing of the guard if Cam can't come back this year and Allen looks as good as he did.Blueboy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:54 amNo way he's worth a 1st.Pete Carroll's Gum wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:29 am Yeah I am thinking the same thing. I countered asking for a 1st. We'll see where it goes.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?
I'd counter with Allen + 3rd for Gallup + 2nd.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?
Get a first or hold. I'm gambling if I've got Allen, especially in SF. Why screw around with a second or some JAG? If Allen hits, he could be worth quite a bit. If he flames out, you missed out on a second. I'd shove all in and try to make a big move later.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?
This. 100% this.Samhain34 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:12 pm Get a first or hold. I'm gambling if I've got Allen, especially in SF. Why screw around with a second or some JAG? If Allen hits, he could be worth quite a bit. If he flames out, you missed out on a second. I'd shove all in and try to make a big move later.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?
Well I still have Allen. I’ve been reading articles that suggest that he will potentially keep the job even when Cam comes back. They also said that Cam is a trade candidate due to his high salary and injury concerns.
What to do with Allen? Cam owner might be willing to give his 2021 1st. I’m in win now mode so a 2021 1st doesn’t sound that enticing. If Cam gets traded or cut, Allen is worth more than a 1st in 2QB league.
Thoughts?
What to do with Allen? Cam owner might be willing to give his 2021 1st. I’m in win now mode so a 2021 1st doesn’t sound that enticing. If Cam gets traded or cut, Allen is worth more than a 1st in 2QB league.
Thoughts?
Team 1
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex
QB: Jackson, Kyler, Richardson, Levis, Willis, Trask
RB: Walker, Miller, Spears, Ford, Chandler
WR: Pickens, Lockett, Cooks, Rice, Wilson, Downs, Hodgins, Ross, Tolbert, Hutchinson
TE: LaPorta, Engram, Dulcich, Woods, Ferguson
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st (2x), 2nd (x3), 4th
2025: 1st (2x), 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Jackson, Burrow, Jones, Huntley, Heinicke
RB: Stevenson, Montgomery, Pacheco, Mostert, Hunt, Charbonnet, Wilson, Ford, Mason
WR: Chase, Dionte, Addison, Lockett, Chark, Atwell, Marshall, Osborn
TE: Andrews, Hill, Kmet
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex
QB: Jackson, Kyler, Richardson, Levis, Willis, Trask
RB: Walker, Miller, Spears, Ford, Chandler
WR: Pickens, Lockett, Cooks, Rice, Wilson, Downs, Hodgins, Ross, Tolbert, Hutchinson
TE: LaPorta, Engram, Dulcich, Woods, Ferguson
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st (2x), 2nd (x3), 4th
2025: 1st (2x), 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Jackson, Burrow, Jones, Huntley, Heinicke
RB: Stevenson, Montgomery, Pacheco, Mostert, Hunt, Charbonnet, Wilson, Ford, Mason
WR: Chase, Dionte, Addison, Lockett, Chark, Atwell, Marshall, Osborn
TE: Andrews, Hill, Kmet
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Re: Kyle Allen Value?
If you're stuck starting him every week, then it might be tough to get rid of him...even for a good price as you say you're contending.
But, should Cam come back, Allen's value immediately plummets until CAR decides what to do with Cam in the offseason or if he stinks it up the rest of 2019.
From a points standpoint, Allen hasn't done much since his 1st week starting and a 2021 1st would more than likely turn into a pick where you could grab a QB next year...but is Tua/Fromm/Herbert/Burrow a better gamble than Allen? You'd like to think so but who knows.
But, should Cam come back, Allen's value immediately plummets until CAR decides what to do with Cam in the offseason or if he stinks it up the rest of 2019.
From a points standpoint, Allen hasn't done much since his 1st week starting and a 2021 1st would more than likely turn into a pick where you could grab a QB next year...but is Tua/Fromm/Herbert/Burrow a better gamble than Allen? You'd like to think so but who knows.
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?
I'd absolutely take a 2021 1st. Odds are that that pick would get you a player far better than Allen. Even if he keeps the job this year, he doesn't look like he will ever be more than a low-end QB2.Pete Carroll's Gum wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 pm Well I still have Allen. I’ve been reading articles that suggest that he will potentially keep the job even when Cam comes back. They also said that Cam is a trade candidate due to his high salary and injury concerns.
What to do with Allen? Cam owner might be willing to give his 2021 1st. I’m in win now mode so a 2021 1st doesn’t sound that enticing. If Cam gets traded or cut, Allen is worth more than a 1st in 2QB league.
Thoughts?
And, of course, he could be back on the bench in a matter of weeks...
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RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
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Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
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Re: Kyle Allen Value?
He said he won't do the 2021 1st... Maybe he'll do it once Cam comes back and we know more of what the Panthers are doing.
Team 1
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex
QB: Jackson, Kyler, Richardson, Levis, Willis, Trask
RB: Walker, Miller, Spears, Ford, Chandler
WR: Pickens, Lockett, Cooks, Rice, Wilson, Downs, Hodgins, Ross, Tolbert, Hutchinson
TE: LaPorta, Engram, Dulcich, Woods, Ferguson
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st (2x), 2nd (x3), 4th
2025: 1st (2x), 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Jackson, Burrow, Jones, Huntley, Heinicke
RB: Stevenson, Montgomery, Pacheco, Mostert, Hunt, Charbonnet, Wilson, Ford, Mason
WR: Chase, Dionte, Addison, Lockett, Chark, Atwell, Marshall, Osborn
TE: Andrews, Hill, Kmet
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
12 Team, 2 QB, PPR
2QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 Flex
QB: Jackson, Kyler, Richardson, Levis, Willis, Trask
RB: Walker, Miller, Spears, Ford, Chandler
WR: Pickens, Lockett, Cooks, Rice, Wilson, Downs, Hodgins, Ross, Tolbert, Hutchinson
TE: LaPorta, Engram, Dulcich, Woods, Ferguson
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st (2x), 2nd (x3), 4th
2025: 1st (2x), 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Team 2
12 Team, Superflex, PPR
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Jackson, Burrow, Jones, Huntley, Heinicke
RB: Stevenson, Montgomery, Pacheco, Mostert, Hunt, Charbonnet, Wilson, Ford, Mason
WR: Chase, Dionte, Addison, Lockett, Chark, Atwell, Marshall, Osborn
TE: Andrews, Hill, Kmet
Draft Picks:
2024: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Re: Kyle Allen Value?
Just the kind of game that Allen could not have. I think losing to SF "respectably" wouldn't have been held against him but that was a meltdown.
SF's defense is legitimate, so you take it with a grain but I imagine we'll see Cam sooner rather than later if healthy.
SF's defense is legitimate, so you take it with a grain but I imagine we'll see Cam sooner rather than later if healthy.
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