Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

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Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby ascherb » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:38 am

I pick #2.

QB/2RB/3WR/TE/Flex/SuperFlex

TE get 1.5 PPR, all other players are PPR

12 team league. Empire league (dynasty league that ends after someone wins twice in a row)

At 1.02, I’m going with either Barkley or Gurley, as both are studs who catch the ball. My preference is Barkley but I fear he’ll go #1.

My question starts at 2.11 and 3.02... Is that too early to consider TEs like Kelsie or Kittle or Ertz? Hell, they might even go before 2.11, but with 1.5 PPR for them, those tight ends who catch a ton of passes are very valuable. If those three are gone, who’s the next guy and is 2.11/3.02 too early?

Also, rookie picks are draftable in this startup, so is Rookie pick 1.01 (if available) or even Rookie pick 1.02-1.04... is the end of round 2/early Round 3 too early for those?

How fast would you be prioritizing QB, TE and rookie picks in this league startup draft if you were me from the 2 spot?
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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:44 am

I would 100% go with Mahomes or Luck at 1.02.
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QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby BucFanJKE » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:05 am

Agree with above. I would immediately prioritize QBs. I would definitely take Mahomes at 1.02 if he is there. I would probably take at minimum 2 QBs in the first 3 rounds. I would want at least 3 starting quality QBs on my team by then end, and I would take more if they fall to you. After the startup the teams that skipped on QBs will be shipping off those stud RBs and WRs to get a QB. You can get RB and WR production much later in rounds. Build for the future, don't look at building a team that will win the first year if it means sacrificing QBs.
Team 1-
SF .5 PPR TE Prem (1Q, 1SF, 2R, 2W, 1T, 3WRT)
QB- Watson, Dak, Richardson, Bennett, Zappe
RB- Javonte Williams, JHill, Dobbins, Achane, Gibson, Bigsby, Spears, Gainwell, Fournette, CPatt
WR- Chase, Lamb, London, Pittman, MT, QJ, Bateman, Jamo, OBJ, Skyy
TE- Freiermuth, Kincaid, Chig, Fant, Musgrave, Woods, Bellinger
2024: 1st, 2nd, 4th

Team 2-
.5 PPR TE Prem (1Q, 2 R, 3W, 1 T, 3 WRT)
QB: J. Allen, Kyler, Stroud
RB: CMC, Bijan, Gibbs, JT, Breece Hall, Kamara, Gibson, 4nette
WR: Diggs, Hill, AJB, Aiyuk, London, JSN, Hollywood, M.Mims, Meyers, Shaheed
TE: Kelce, Kyle Pitts, Dulcich, Logan Thomas
2024: 2 1st (one top 3), 4th

Team 3- (Adopted Dumpster Orphan)
.5 PPR TE Prem (1Q, 2 R, 3W, 1 T, 3 WRT)
QB: J. Allen, Dak, Young
RB: Gibbs, Hall, J. Cook, Warren, Bigsby, K. Mitchell, Dobbins, D. Cook,
WR: Lamb, Wilson, Olave, Higgins, London, JSN, Bateman, Wan'Dale, Z. Jones, Hyatt
TE: Kittle, Kincaid, Woods, Likely
2024: 2 1st (one top 2), 3rd, 4th

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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby ascherb » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:18 am

Should have said 4 points for passing TD and 6 points for rushing TD.

Still Maholmes?

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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:26 am

ascherb wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:18 am Should have said 4 points for passing TD and 6 points for rushing TD.

Still Maholmes?

I appreciate the insight!
Yes. QBs are always more expensive to trade for than to draft in the startup. For example, in superflex, I would want Barkley+ to sell Mahomes. QBs will be cheapest to acquire in the startup draft, so I would target elite QBs and solid QB1s early and often in the first 3-4 rounds. However, it's also a fine balance, because you don't want to reach for replaceable QB assets in the middle rounds like Stafford or Dalton.
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RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd

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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby ascherb » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:14 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:26 am
ascherb wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:18 am Should have said 4 points for passing TD and 6 points for rushing TD.

Still Maholmes?

I appreciate the insight!
Yes. QBs are always more expensive to trade for than to draft in the startup. For example, in superflex, I would want Barkley+ to sell Mahomes. QBs will be cheapest to acquire in the startup draft, so I would target elite QBs and solid QB1s early and often in the first 3-4 rounds. However, it's also a fine balance, because you don't want to reach for replaceable QB assets in the middle rounds like Stafford or Dalton.
That’s my hesitation to take Maholmes ahead of Barkley.

He will likely regress a bit towards the mean next season, and even if he’s at 4,500 and 35 or around there, idk if that’s SO much better than what I could get in the third round and on in a guy like Mayfield or Watson.

On the other hand, Barkley is a MUCH better RB than I can find in the same rounds later.
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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby BucFanJKE » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:38 pm

ascherb wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:14 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:26 am
ascherb wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:18 am Should have said 4 points for passing TD and 6 points for rushing TD.

Still Maholmes?

I appreciate the insight!
Yes. QBs are always more expensive to trade for than to draft in the startup. For example, in superflex, I would want Barkley+ to sell Mahomes. QBs will be cheapest to acquire in the startup draft, so I would target elite QBs and solid QB1s early and often in the first 3-4 rounds. However, it's also a fine balance, because you don't want to reach for replaceable QB assets in the middle rounds like Stafford or Dalton.
That’s my hesitation to take Maholmes ahead of Barkley.

He will likely regress a bit towards the mean next season, and even if he’s at 4,500 and 35 or around there, idk if that’s SO much better than what I could get in the third round and on in a guy like Mayfield or Watson.

On the other hand, Barkley is a MUCH better RB than I can find in the same rounds later.
Mayfield and Watson should be early 2nd round picks at the latest.
Team 1-
SF .5 PPR TE Prem (1Q, 1SF, 2R, 2W, 1T, 3WRT)
QB- Watson, Dak, Richardson, Bennett, Zappe
RB- Javonte Williams, JHill, Dobbins, Achane, Gibson, Bigsby, Spears, Gainwell, Fournette, CPatt
WR- Chase, Lamb, London, Pittman, MT, QJ, Bateman, Jamo, OBJ, Skyy
TE- Freiermuth, Kincaid, Chig, Fant, Musgrave, Woods, Bellinger
2024: 1st, 2nd, 4th

Team 2-
.5 PPR TE Prem (1Q, 2 R, 3W, 1 T, 3 WRT)
QB: J. Allen, Kyler, Stroud
RB: CMC, Bijan, Gibbs, JT, Breece Hall, Kamara, Gibson, 4nette
WR: Diggs, Hill, AJB, Aiyuk, London, JSN, Hollywood, M.Mims, Meyers, Shaheed
TE: Kelce, Kyle Pitts, Dulcich, Logan Thomas
2024: 2 1st (one top 3), 4th

Team 3- (Adopted Dumpster Orphan)
.5 PPR TE Prem (1Q, 2 R, 3W, 1 T, 3 WRT)
QB: J. Allen, Dak, Young
RB: Gibbs, Hall, J. Cook, Warren, Bigsby, K. Mitchell, Dobbins, D. Cook,
WR: Lamb, Wilson, Olave, Higgins, London, JSN, Bateman, Wan'Dale, Z. Jones, Hyatt
TE: Kittle, Kincaid, Woods, Likely
2024: 2 1st (one top 2), 3rd, 4th

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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:52 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:44 am I would 100% go with Mahomes or Luck at 1.02.
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I said before when someone picked 5th in a SF that I would be going QB no matter what still.

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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby moishetreats » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:07 pm

ascherb wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:14 amHe [Mahomes] will likely regress a bit towards the mean next season, and even if he’s at 4,500 and 35 or around there, idk if that’s SO much better than what I could get in the third round and on in a guy like Mayfield or Watson.
You do realize that Mahomes threw for about 1,000 more yards than Watson and had almost TWICE as many TD passes, right? And he only ran for about 200 yards fewer and 2 TDs fewer.

Even if Mahomes falls back to 4,500 / 35, what makes you think that Watson will get near those numbers? That would be 500 more yards and 9 (!!) more TDs.

Mayfield was impressive his rookie year. But, it's still a big second-year leap to get to 4,500 / 35. And he doesn't have the rushing production to boost his numbers.

Finally, what's to say that Mahomes' regression won't be to 4,700 / 38?

I think that you are either far under-estimating Mahomes' value or far over-estimating that of Watson/Mayfield.

Or you just REALLY want Barkley... :) If that's the case, then I'd look to trade back in the first round. Best case scenario for you: you get Barkley later. "Worst" case, someone else snipes Barkley and Mahomes/Luck falls to you while you pick up assets elsewhere.
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Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



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Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby Krypto_King » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:30 am

I think it's fine to have Barkley #1 but I'd take Mahomes over Gurley. And as said, Baker/Watson should go 2nd round. Maybe 1 of Arod/Goff/Wentz slips to 2.11. mid 2nd-mid 3rd is probably the ADP of those 3 TEs in that league, don't think there is a 4th worth that price tag and 1.01 shouldn't really be in consideration considering the premiums of the league.

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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby Tyrober » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:59 am

They'll be plenty of QBs for you to choose from at the 23 turn and 45 turn. Take Barkley or Gurley

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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby DonBrazi » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:59 pm

My read of OP's question was more about TEs in the format than QBs..

Saying that, I'd think a Kelce or Ertz would be fine at the end of the 2nd or early-3rd, if you really love those guys.. But I wouldn't prioritise anybody else really. The TE premium (just like 4 vs 6 points for passing TDs) is common pitfall. Avoid it.

As far as rookie picks, get as many as you can. They tend to be undervalued in startups and especially in startups this early in the year.
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CEH, Gibson, Sanders, Javonte, Moss, Nwangwu
ARob, Sutton, ODB, Parker, Ruggs, Miller, Boykin
Waller, Hockenson, Pitts, OJH, Trautman, Gesicki, Everett
2022 1st (2), 2nd, 3rd, 4th

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Dak, Murray, LJax, *Rattler
Etienne, AJD, Hubbard, Stevenson, Hawkins, *Spiller
Sutton, ODB, Jeudy, Reagor, Shenault, Rodgers, Kirk, Boykin, *G.Wilson
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Re: Advice for a 1 QB + Superflex Startup with 1.5 PPR for TEs

Postby RotateThatFish » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:02 am

We recently did a very similar startup and all 3 of those TE were gone by 2.09. The next was picked at 4.10.

The Rookie 1.01 went at 5.05, with 1.02 at 6.10.

QB10 was picked at 3.05.

Hope this helps. As you might expect, once the first TE / second QB goes, the others in that tier quickly followed. If you don’t have a QB or TE by your 3rd pick, you won’t get a top one.

Obviously this is just 1 draft, yours could be different.
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QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1SF 3Flex

QB: Watson, Cousins, Minshew, Rosen, Brissett, Teddy
RB: Conner, Hunt, Ingram, White
WR: Hopkins, Julio, Hill, DJ Moore, Boyd, Chark, Miller, Dionte
TE: Jonnu, Cook
Picks: 2021: 2, 3, 4

Team 2: 12 Team, 0.5PPR, Superflex. Year 2.
QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 2Flex

QB: Mahomes, Watson, Wentz, Tannehill
RB: Conner, McKinnon, Hyde, Hines
WR: Thomas, Adams, Hill, Kupp, Ridley, Slayton
TE: Andrews, Irv. Smith
Picks: 2021: None

Team 3: 12 Team, PPR, TE Premium, 6pt TDs, +1 for 40yd TDs [All], Superflex. Year 2. 2019 Champ.
QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 2Flex

QB: Mahomes, Wilson, Stafford, Brees
RB: Ekeler, Monty, White, R.Freeman
WR: Thomas, OBJ, Fuller, Chark, Crowder, Shepard
TE: Kelce, Hooper, Schultz, Logan, MAC
Picks: 2021: 2, 3


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