SuperFlex thread

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SuperFlex thread

Postby ImaRounder » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:00 am

I'm always looking for more opinions and valuations for SF. What are your rankings/tiers and what does that value equate to in a PPR league?

How many quarterbacks jump into the elite status, as far as assets are concerned?

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby Space Cowboy » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:04 am

Rodgers
Luck
Wilson
Wentz
Dak
Goff

Watson
Jimmy G
Cousins
Newton
Winston
Stafford
Ryan
Trubisky
Carr
(Mahomes)
Brady
Brees
Bortles
Keenum
Rivers
Mariota
Big Ben

Smith
Tyrod
Dalton
(Lynch)
(McCarron)
Eli
Tannenhill
McCown
Flacco
Siemen
Kizer

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby ImaRounder » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:39 am

I'd probably put Rodgers Wilson and wentz in a league of their own.

Newton is at the top of that next tier for me with jamies

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby vixen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:42 pm

i would probably swap Watson and Dak..
i also think Mariota is too low, but understand it...

in a 1QB league, i own smith/mahomes and wilson and i am gonna try to sell wilson in the offseason...hope to get someone like winston and high 2nd...depending how good Mahomes looks
team 1 -start QB RB 2WR TE 2RB/WR 1WR/TE
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
mahomes, Dan Jones
kamara, mack, lindsay,Love, Pollard
antonio, AJG, thielen, sutton, kirk, Hurd, JJAW, Slayton, Gage
Hooper, Herndon
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Jimmy GQ, Brissett
DHenry, DJ, DFreeman, McKinnon, Darwin Thompson, CEH, JT/Mack
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Sutton,Jo Brown, Boyd, ]JJAW, Harmon, Preston Williams, Coulter, Collin Johnson
Andrews, Herndon, Fant, Albert O
team 3-superflex/TE premium 1-2QB 1-6RB 2-7WR 1-6TE (10 total)
R/W=.2ppc/1ppr/.25pt per target TE=1.5ppr/.35per target/.15per yd
also .1pt per return yd/.05 per attempt
Josh Allen,Jones, Love
Cook, Chubb, Sanders, Swift, Vaughn, Latavius
Lockett, Kupp, Jo Brown, Slayton, Preston Williams, Isabella, Hurd, Funchess, Edwards, Collin Johnson
Andrews, Herndon/Griffin, I Thomas, Fant, Moreau, Parham, Asiasi, Gronk

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby gunzwil guinea pigs » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:18 pm

I would rank them:
Wilson, Luck, Rodgers, Wentz
Watson, Mariota, Goff
Newton, Dak, Winston, Stafford, Cousins, Carr
...
2QB-Dynasty - 10 Team standard scoring - 30man roster
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, K, D/ST

QB: Joe Burrow, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Philipp Rivers, Marcus Mariota, Jalen Hurts
RB: Joe Mixon, Le'Veon Bell, Joshua Kelley, Rashaad Penny, Matt Breida, Lynn Bowden Jr., Ryquell Armstead
WR: Calvin Ridley, Stefon Diggs, Terry McLaurin, TY Hilton, Jarvis Landry, CeDee Lamb, Robert Woods, Mike Williams, Marvin Jones, N'Keal Harry, Denzel Mims, JJ Arcega-Whiteside
TE: Zach Ertz, Drew Sample, Dalton Schultz, Irv Smith
K: Matt Prater
D/ST: TB, GB

Picks 2020: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
Picks 2021: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby Cult of Dionysus » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:40 pm

If it's standard scoring, then all the QBs are very valuable. But if you lower the floors by using a -2 or even a -3 penalty for INTs, and reduce the yardage points, then things get a little more interesting. The top QBs will still have tremendous value, but the bottom half of the starting QBs really plummet in value. This makes things much better, imho, as there's not an arms race to get 3 or more QBs. And someone can survive not having a 2nd starting QB, if they've got a really good set of WRs or RBs.

My preferred QB scoring approach (assuming standard positional scoring with 0.5 or full PPR):

4pts for TDs
2pts for 100 yards (incremented, 0.02 per yard, if my math is correct)
-3pts for INTs
-2pts for Pick6s

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby Sisyphus » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:03 pm

@Space Cowboy, I’m moving Luck out of the top tier and not even the headliner of tier 2. I’m also down on Dak and would add Cam and Watson to the top tier.

I’d also let someone else pay that price on Garoppolo with so little sample size. But I’m willing to b wrong on him, which means I’ll never own him. But ur paying for him at a projected ceiling at that ranking.

I’d drop Brees into tier 3 and move Tyrod and Alex Smith into tier 2. Really your tier 2 might be more useful to you if u viewed them as a Tier 2 for a contender (bringing Ben, Brady, Brees, Rivers into view) and a Tier 2 for a builder (where u can dismiss the older guys and buy years of production instead of immediate top production).

I love where u have Case Keenum and wish I had made a move for him around week 5-8. Now I think his owners are becoming believers themselves and will make u pay full price for him. I’m usually slow to react (see my Garoppolo comment) to small sample sizes.

Thanks for sharing ur tiers, it’s fun to see the differences between players.

Gosh I love superflex. I wish all my leagues were superflex.

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:52 pm

Top few tiers off the top of my head:

Russell Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
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Carson Wentz
Deshaun Watson
Cam Newton
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Jared Goff
Jimmy Garoppolo
Marcus Mariota
Dak Prescott
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Kirk Cousins
Matthew Stafford
Andrew Luck
Patrick Mahomes
Jameis Winston
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Matt Ryan
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Derek Carr
Philip Rivers
Mitchell Trubisky
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Tyrod Taylor
Alex Smith
Ben Roethlisberger
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12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby maxhyde » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:34 pm

Looks like I will be buying alot of Luck this year if these rankings are anywhere near reality
DLF HOF League 16 team PPR
QB: Brees, Bradford, Lock(3.07)
RB: David Johnson, Penny, Sanders(1.07), Montgomery(1.06), Love(2.07) Bernard, MLynch, Morris, TJLogan, Joe Williams, Shaun Wilson
WR: Jeffery,Cooper, Josh Gordon, Dede Westbrook, Cam Meredith, Brice Butler, Chester Rogers, Lockett, Switzer, Malone, Cain (IR)
TE: Gronk, Swaim, Maxx Williams

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby Phaded » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:21 pm

Tier 1:
Rodgers & Wilson

Tier 2:
A cluster of 10-12 other guys

Let's be real - this is pretty accurate. Obviously Wentz, Goff & Watson are the hot names right now. Before this year there was Winston & Mariota - and lets not forget the influx of posts suggesting Carr is THE QB1. Or suggesting it's Dak. Next year it will be a couple more hot names like Jimmy G and probably a rookie or 2nd year guy. You got guys like Luck that people love. A controversial one like Cam or Cousins. Then reliable guys like Stafford and old man Rivers.

We put a premium on age around these parts - I get it, but ARod & Wilson are in that top tier; then it's the other guys.

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:16 pm

Space Cowboy wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:04 am
Rodgers
Luck
Wilson
Wentz
Dak
Goff

Watson
Jimmy G
Cousins
Newton
Winston
Stafford
Ryan
Trubisky
Carr
(Mahomes)
Brady
Brees
Bortles
Keenum
Rivers
Mariota
Big Ben

Smith
Tyrod
Dalton
(Lynch)
(McCarron)
Eli
Tannenhill
McCown
Flacco
Siemen
Kizer
yikes. jimmy g and mahomes must have done something marvelous i dont know about

Wilson
Rodgers
Wentz
Watson
Luck

Newton
Goff
Prescott
Stafford
Cousins
Ryan

Winston
Mariota
Carr
Garrapolo
Bortles

Brady
Rivers
Brees
Roethlisberger
A. Smith

Dalton
Keenum
Bradford
Taylor

Mahomes
Tannehill
Bridgewater
Trubitsky
Brissett
Kizer
Manning
Flacco
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team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
J Allen , Herbert, Rivers
Kamara, B Hill, Akers,McNichols, Dillon, Cohen, McCoy
K Allen, Hopkins,McLaurin, AROB M Williams,MVS
Ebron Graham, Njoku, Irv

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Teddy B, Dak
Chubb,Mixon, D Henry,Coleman, D Harris, Burkhead, Mostert, wilson jr
Hopkins, K Allen, M Evans,AROB, C Davis, Watkins, Edleman, Higgins
Ertz, Gronk, Fant, everett, albert o


team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Baker, Wentz, Foles, K Allen
Kamara, Henry, Chubb, Bell, Murray, Coleman
M Thomas, K Allen, M Evans, JuJu, Cooper, Watkins
Hurst, Gronk, Ebron, Everett
Payne/Onyemata
Campbell, Ogbah, J Allen, Clowney, Armstead
Martinez, J Smith, Z Smith, Jack, Judon, C Jones (IR)
Alexander, Dean, Ward
Edmonds, Harris, Joseph, Delpit (IR)

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby GridironGuerilla » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:35 pm

Ahhh... Nothing like personal rankings arguments to fill the off season with moments as exciting as watching paint dry.
Bo Knows Dynasty (12 Team IDP/Roster-30/8 IR/8 Taxi)1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 2 LB, 2 DL, 2 DB
Requiem For a Team

Dragon Eggs Devy (14 Team IDP/Roster-53/10 IR/8 Taxi)1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 4 Flex QB/RB/WR/TE, 2 LB, 1 DT, 2 DE, 1 CB, 2 DB, 2 Flex
The Night's Watch

Marvel VS. DC (14 Team IDP/Roster-53/10 IR)
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 2 S, 1 CB, 1 Flex

The Hulk

ThunderCats Dynatsty (12 Team IDP/PPR/Roster-55/8 IR)1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex RB/WR/TE, 1 SF QB/RB/WR/TE,2 DE, 2 LB, 2 S, 1 CB 2 Flex
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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:50 pm

GridironGuerilla wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:35 pm
Ahhh... Nothing like personal rankings arguments to fill the off season with moments as exciting as watching paint dry.
ur opinion sux
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
J Allen , Herbert, Rivers
Kamara, B Hill, Akers,McNichols, Dillon, Cohen, McCoy
K Allen, Hopkins,McLaurin, AROB M Williams,MVS
Ebron Graham, Njoku, Irv

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Teddy B, Dak
Chubb,Mixon, D Henry,Coleman, D Harris, Burkhead, Mostert, wilson jr
Hopkins, K Allen, M Evans,AROB, C Davis, Watkins, Edleman, Higgins
Ertz, Gronk, Fant, everett, albert o


team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Baker, Wentz, Foles, K Allen
Kamara, Henry, Chubb, Bell, Murray, Coleman
M Thomas, K Allen, M Evans, JuJu, Cooper, Watkins
Hurst, Gronk, Ebron, Everett
Payne/Onyemata
Campbell, Ogbah, J Allen, Clowney, Armstead
Martinez, J Smith, Z Smith, Jack, Judon, C Jones (IR)
Alexander, Dean, Ward
Edmonds, Harris, Joseph, Delpit (IR)

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby FiremanEd » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:56 pm

GridironGuerilla wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:35 pm
Ahhh... Nothing like personal rankings arguments to fill the off season with moments as exciting as watching paint dry.
I appreciate seeing people’s ranking actually. Shows variety and difference of opinion on what type of deals could be made if you can see a crossing point.

What I enjoy less is people who nit pick peoples rankings without providing their own, or context of their own in comparison. “You’re too low on X” doesn’t add much unless you say why you think they should be higher and who moved down as a result (or where you’d put them in the same rank instead).

For me, I will have to give thought as to my ranks and post later.

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Re: SuperFlex thread

Postby Sisyphus » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:38 pm

Your right FiremanEd. I should have done just that on my previous post. I’ll come back to it when I’m on my comp since my tiered ranks aren’t on my phone.


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