QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

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QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby joeya2001 » Sat May 23, 2020 5:48 am

So I keep getting mixed answers from many on here, in a 10 team Superflex league, are QB's values lower than a 12 and up?

Should QBs fall a bit lower in a draft than taken higher.

in my league

1.01 went JT
1.02 went CEH

does that seem strange?
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby dlf_mikeh » Sat May 23, 2020 6:51 am

Depends on the rest of the league settings and the QB ownership amongst other teams. In my PPR league last year, 22 of the top 32 players were QB. That makes QB very easy to come by for a 10 team league.

If the league is the one in your sig, you only have to start 1QB but you must also start 2RB. That means there is already a higher emphasis on starting a RB. Using my PPR league as an example, the 20th RB on that list of players ranked 81st overall. James White, followed by Devonta Freeman, Marlon Mack, then Melvin Gordon.

RB scarcity is real right now. Everyone is scrambling to take RB in rookie drafts. If you were in a 12 team SF or if you only had to start 1 RB, I think Burrow would have been the #1 pick. I'm not terribly shocked that your draft went RB, RB.

Were you sitting 3rd or something, and you're upset that you're not going to get one of those top 2 guys? :P
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby Jigga94 » Sat May 23, 2020 6:54 am

The more teams, the less QBs there are generally. Demand drives prices up.

In a 10 team, I wouldn't be surprised if the top picks don't go QB. Plus all leagues are different. Some SF leagues seem to barely value QB more than 1QB leagues. Some will have the QB go very early in a draft but not necessarily 1, 2. It sounds like yours might be somewhere in the middle
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby joeya2001 » Sat May 23, 2020 8:10 am

dlf_mikeh wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 6:51 am
Depends on the rest of the league settings and the QB ownership amongst other teams. In my PPR league last year, 22 of the top 32 players were QB. That makes QB very easy to come by for a 10 team league.

If the league is the one in your sig, you only have to start 1QB but you must also start 2RB. That means there is already a higher emphasis on starting a RB. Using my PPR league as an example, the 20th RB on that list of players ranked 81st overall. James White, followed by Devonta Freeman, Marlon Mack, then Melvin Gordon.

RB scarcity is real right now. Everyone is scrambling to take RB in rookie drafts. If you were in a 12 team SF or if you only had to start 1 RB, I think Burrow would have been the #1 pick. I'm not terribly shocked that your draft went RB, RB.

Were you sitting 3rd or something, and you're upset that you're not going to get one of those top 2 guys? :P
yes im at 3rd right now deciding to either take Burrow or Dobbins lol

I have not read anywhere that talks about QB valus in a 10 team league where some rosters have 3-4 QB on them

Mike, your write up on Dobbs makes me think hes the best player in the draft
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby DLF3000 » Sat May 23, 2020 8:23 am

So you start 10, one of which is SF and two others are normal flex?

What is your max roster size? That's the big missing piece of info (aside from any atypical scoring settings) to help understand your SF QB value question.

My 10-team league is 1QB but is 25 (26 in-season) players deep for rosters. So in that sense, it's similar to plenty of 12-team leagues as far as total # of rostered and available players.

That said, while it's hard to find great QBs, there's probably a decent supply of give-or-take average ones in your league.

With only 20 QB starters needed, 30 temporarily if you count byes, and 32 NFL starters, there should theoretically be just enough supply for them in your league, making them a little less insanely desired than they are in 12 team SF leagues.
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby joeya2001 » Sat May 23, 2020 8:27 am

DLF3000 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 8:23 am
So you start 10, one of which is SF and two others are normal flex?

What is your max roster size? That's the big missing piece of info (aside from any atypical scoring settings) to help understand your SF QB value question.

My 10-team league is 1QB but is 25 (26 in-season) players deep for rosters. So in that sense, it's similar to plenty of 12-team leagues as far as total # of rostered and available players.

That said, while it's hard to find great QBs, there's probably a decent supply of give-or-take average ones in your league.

With only 20 QB starters needed, 30 temporarily if you count byes, and 32 NFL starters, there should theoretically be just enough supply for them in your league, making them a little less insanely desired than they are in 12 team SF leagues.
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RB- Chris Carson, J.K. Dobbins, Cam Akers, AJ Dillion,
WR- Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Robert Woods, Calvin Ridley,DJ Chark, Preston Wilson, Corey Davis, Michael Pittman
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby DLF3000 » Sat May 23, 2020 8:33 am

Ok so similar to mine. In your situation with a top rookie pick and three great QBs, I can definitely see going RB and grabbing a QB later this year or next year to address Rivers' age.

If you're not a high-risk type GM, go QB. But otherwise, RB at 1.03 sounds good.
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby joeya2001 » Sat May 23, 2020 8:52 am

Yea that's where im at
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RB- Chris Carson, J.K. Dobbins, Cam Akers, AJ Dillion,
WR- Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Robert Woods, Calvin Ridley,DJ Chark, Preston Wilson, Corey Davis, Michael Pittman
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby moishetreats » Sun May 24, 2020 12:40 pm

If you had both Burrow and Dobbins for their entire careers, I'm willing to bet just about anything that Burrow would start far more games for you than Dobbins. And Burrow could also be reallllly good.

In a draft, you take the best player. That's how you set yourself up for sustained success. Don't worry about need in May. If you simply have better players, then you'll be able to trade from strength (rather than desperation) to address your need.

Burrow is simply the better SF player. I'd draft him without a second though... at 1.01.
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Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex

QB: Rodgers, Wilson, Wentz, Brissett
RB: Gurley, Gordon, Mixon, Edwards
WR: Hill, Cooper, Hilton, Edelman, Anderson, Slayton, Lazard, Arcega-Whiteside, Harmon, Meyers, S Miller
TE: Kelce, Henry, Goedert, Jarwin, Walker, Alie-Cox, Moreau

2020: 3rd, 4thx3, 5th
2021: 2ndx3, 3rdx2, 5th
2022: 1st, 2nd, 3rdx2, 4th



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Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex/ best ball

QB: Stafford ($36 through 2022), Garappolo (5/20) [Morgan (1/24), Luton (1/24), Gordon (1/24)]
RB: Mixon (29/20), Gurley (5/20), Dillon (12/24), Z Moss (10/24), Hines (1/20) [Perine (2/22)]
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby joeya2001 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:23 am

I want to bump this back up. so im not debating in a Dobbins thread.

QB's just don't carry the same weight in a 10 team league that it does in 12 and up.

Im surprised that some think Tua going in the second is shocking.

I don't think so at all.
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QB- Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, Philip Rivers,
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WR- Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Robert Woods, Calvin Ridley,DJ Chark, Preston Wilson, Corey Davis, Michael Pittman
TE- George Kittle,Darren Waller, Jonnu Smith
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby joeya2001 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:24 am

moishetreats wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 12:40 pm
If you had both Burrow and Dobbins for their entire careers, I'm willing to bet just about anything that Burrow would start far more games for you than Dobbins. And Burrow could also be reallllly good.

In a draft, you take the best player. That's how you set yourself up for sustained success. Don't worry about need in May. If you simply have better players, then you'll be able to trade from strength (rather than desperation) to address your need.

Burrow is simply the better SF player. I'd draft him without a second though... at 1.01.
Well yea, Ryan Fitzpatrick has started more games than most not named Frank Gore lol
Doesn't make him more valuable.
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QB- Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, Philip Rivers,
RB- Chris Carson, J.K. Dobbins, Cam Akers, AJ Dillion,
WR- Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Robert Woods, Calvin Ridley,DJ Chark, Preston Wilson, Corey Davis, Michael Pittman
TE- George Kittle,Darren Waller, Jonnu Smith
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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby moishetreats » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:55 pm

joeya2001 wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:24 am
moishetreats wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 12:40 pm
If you had both Burrow and Dobbins for their entire careers, I'm willing to bet just about anything that Burrow would start far more games for you than Dobbins. And Burrow could also be reallllly good.

In a draft, you take the best player. That's how you set yourself up for sustained success. Don't worry about need in May. If you simply have better players, then you'll be able to trade from strength (rather than desperation) to address your need.

Burrow is simply the better SF player. I'd draft him without a second though... at 1.01.
Well yea, Ryan Fitzpatrick has started more games than most not named Frank Gore lol
Doesn't make him more valuable.
Oh, please :). Fitzpatrick was a seventh-round draft choice. You're not comparing Jake Luton with Dobbins. You're comparing Burrow with Dobbins.
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10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex

QB: Rodgers, Wilson, Wentz, Brissett
RB: Gurley, Gordon, Mixon, Edwards
WR: Hill, Cooper, Hilton, Edelman, Anderson, Slayton, Lazard, Arcega-Whiteside, Harmon, Meyers, S Miller
TE: Kelce, Henry, Goedert, Jarwin, Walker, Alie-Cox, Moreau

2020: 3rd, 4thx3, 5th
2021: 2ndx3, 3rdx2, 5th
2022: 1st, 2nd, 3rdx2, 4th



12 tms 22 plyrs {IR} [Taxi]. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex/ best ball

QB: Stafford ($36 through 2022), Garappolo (5/20) [Morgan (1/24), Luton (1/24), Gordon (1/24)]
RB: Mixon (29/20), Gurley (5/20), Dillon (12/24), Z Moss (10/24), Hines (1/20) [Perine (2/22)]
WR: Adams (12/20), Cooper (28/20), Kupp (3/21), Diggs (19/21), AJ Brown (7/23), Cooks (8/21), R Anderson (3/21)
TE: Ertz (22/21), Goedert (8/22)
Total+dead cap hits $228

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Re: QB value in a 10 team SF leauge

Postby joeya2001 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:28 pm

moishetreats wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:55 pm
joeya2001 wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:24 am
moishetreats wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 12:40 pm
If you had both Burrow and Dobbins for their entire careers, I'm willing to bet just about anything that Burrow would start far more games for you than Dobbins. And Burrow could also be reallllly good.

In a draft, you take the best player. That's how you set yourself up for sustained success. Don't worry about need in May. If you simply have better players, then you'll be able to trade from strength (rather than desperation) to address your need.

Burrow is simply the better SF player. I'd draft him without a second though... at 1.01.
Well yea, Ryan Fitzpatrick has started more games than most not named Frank Gore lol
Doesn't make him more valuable.
Oh, please :). Fitzpatrick was a seventh-round draft choice. You're not comparing Jake Luton with Dobbins. You're comparing Burrow with Dobbins.
ok fine lets compare Jamarcus Russell to A. Peterson.

or does that not fit your narrative.

Point is in a 10 team league QB's after doing research don't need to be taken 1.01. sure if the QB position is shallow, but in theory 10 teams can have 3 QB's each.

12 team leagues not so much.

to many people stress QB's in SF in small leagues to much and I thing your are guiding people to failure
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QB- Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, Philip Rivers,
RB- Chris Carson, J.K. Dobbins, Cam Akers, AJ Dillion,
WR- Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Robert Woods, Calvin Ridley,DJ Chark, Preston Wilson, Corey Davis, Michael Pittman
TE- George Kittle,Darren Waller, Jonnu Smith
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