A DGB post, without character flaws

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A DGB post, without character flaws

Postby Swampdonkey17 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:46 pm

Let's pretend for a second, that DGB is a model citizen. Where would you draft him on TALENT? What are his flaws or weaknesses you saw his sophmore year? Route tree? Hands?
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Re: A DGB post, without character flaws

Postby italian_stallion21 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:48 am

Swampdonkey17 wrote:Let's pretend for a second, that DGB is a model citizen. Where would you draft him on TALENT? What are his flaws or weaknesses you saw his sophmore year? Route tree? Hands?
Model citizen? 1.01, easily.

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Re: A DGB post, without character flaws

Postby ConnSKINS26 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:26 am

Posting this in all DGB threads I see to get the most discussion since all talk about him isn't in one place:

Listen guys, I'm already a DGB owner in a devy league, so I have a vested interest.

But the outlook on these forums of his talent is really, really rosy.

He's not a perfect prospect if you set aside the off-field stuff, guys. Not even necessarily a great one. His agility is questionable, his YAC ability is questionable and other than a play or two where he drives his legs through weak tackles on the highlights everyone has seen, it's hard to find film of him actually getting YAC. Which is fine, that's not really his game. He's 6'6" and he was just perfecting his high pointing skills before he got booted from the team.

That doesn't change that 75% of his highlights (and it's hard to find anything other than highlights) consist of him catching deep balls behind college defenses or skying for four TD's over the same crappy 5'9" college CB in the same game.

Hey, he could be an absolute stud. His production was increasing at an acceptable rate year to year for a great prospect if he kept playing, his big plays pass the eye test. But he is no can't-miss prospect even if you ignore the off-field stuff. I think we need to temper our expectations here.

I think it's one of three things:

1. He doesn't have the body of work available to us on tape to prove he's a complete WR.
or
2. He's not a complete WR, but can vastly improve because of his ceiling.
or
3. His "ceiling" is more a construct of the draftnik/dynasty community's collective hopes for another Calvin, inflated by his recognizable name and pedigree as a famous recruit, than any real potential to be an elite WR1. Maybe rather than Calvin or Moss or Green or even Evans, he's a taller Jon Baldwin (tall, straight line, minimal short area quickness and get-off ability, disappointing hands in comparison to his highlight reel).

We just don't have the tape to know for sure, it's tough to find anything other than highlights and his big game vs. Kentucky. Mike Evans mainly broke out his last year in school, and yet we had TONS more tape of him doing the types of things people freely attribute to DGB, plus a ton more ability to work the sideline and work back toward the QB. Maybe if DGB had played another year, and being higher profile and draft eligible, we'd have the tape to know for sure and he would have proven to be what many are saying he already is. But we can't know that.

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Re: A DGB post, without character flaws

Postby Swampdonkey17 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:31 am

I didn't exactly buy too much into the Kentucky game TBH. But I did think he came out of breaks well, I saw some comebacks and slant routes that he looked pretty good to me. Personally I think he can do better at those jump balls and highpointing, a couple times I saw him jump to catch a ball in his armpit and fall.
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Re: A DGB post, without character flaws

Postby Daphud » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:17 pm

I was looking at the Auburn game and I couldn't help but notice how awful DGB's blocking was. He was consistently letting defenders slip off him to make tackles, including 2 screen passes that resulted in losses. They never ran a screen towards him again.

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Re: A DGB post, without character flaws

Postby DonBrazi » Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:54 am

Daphud wrote:I was looking at the Auburn game and I couldn't help but notice how awful DGB's blocking was. He was consistently letting defenders slip off him to make tackles, including 2 screen passes that resulted in losses. They never ran a screen towards him again.
I brought up Cooper's utter lack of blocking ability a while back and was told to exit stage left.. So I'm glad to see someone else bring it up. Blocking is important!
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