LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby Bronco Billy » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:39 am

TheBelgian wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:41 pm Would you rather have Simmons or Queen in tackle heavy leagues?
Queen, and IMO it’s not close.

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby TheBelgian » Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:55 pm

Bronco Billy wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:39 am
TheBelgian wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:41 pm Would you rather have Simmons or Queen in tackle heavy leagues?
Queen, and IMO it’s not close.
I though it would favor Queen, but I didn't think there was a big gap.
So my next question would be how many players would you have in front of Simmons in a tackle heavy league.
Who are those players?
I appreciate all responses. Thank you

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby AkaliWarrior » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:44 pm

Logan Wilson deserves to be higher in this ranking. He's right behind Kenneth Murray, and will overtake him if Murray doesn't play all 3 downs. I'd also rather have Queen over Simmons.

Queen
Simmons
*****
Murray
Wilson
****
Gay
****
Baun
Brooks
Phillips
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Davis-Gaither
Chaisson (if he gets classified as a DE, he's gold Jerry...gold)
Terrell Lewis
Malik Harrison
Davion Taylor
Josh Uche
Troy Dye

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby AkaliWarrior » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:47 pm

AkaliWarrior wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:44 pm Logan Wilson deserves to be higher in this ranking. He's right behind Kenneth Murray, and will overtake him if Murray doesn't play all 3 downs. I'd also rather have Queen over Simmons. Also, Phillips is a steal. Someone has to play in Cleveland and he's going undrafted in some leagues. Should open the season as a 3 down MLB right off the bat. Talent isn't great, but opportunity is awesome.

Queen
Simmons
*****
Murray
Wilson
****
Gay
****
Phillips
****
Baun
Brooks
****
Davis-Gaither
Chaisson (if he gets classified as a DE, he's gold Jerry...gold)
Terrell Lewis
Malik Harrison
Davion Taylor
Josh Uche
Troy Dye

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby lukkynumber13 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:51 pm

TheBelgian wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:41 pm Would you rather have Simmons or Queen in tackle heavy leagues?
Whoever is cheaper
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby Space Cowboy » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:41 am

Malik Harrison buried on the Ravens depth chart.

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby IR1 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:10 pm

So where are we with Simmons? Just got dropped in my league. Doesn’t look he’s getting much playing time
10Team PPR-QB/RB/WR/WR/TE/PK/flex-DT/DE/DE/LB/LB/LB/CB/CB/S/S/flex
QB- Herbert, Tua
RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, QWilliams,
DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
CB- Moore, Howard, Reed
S- Dugger, Pitre, Thompson
IR Dobbins, Dulcich
Taxi- Kincaid, QJohnston

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby Kcarr716 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:43 am

If it is anything but the most shallow of leagues simmons should be worth a stash. They didnt draft him that high to not use him at all. The fact is they have good LBs in front of him but he is still a great athlete

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby dawgs4life » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:55 am

Great buy low imo
I only play in 16x53 with 10+ taxi size leagues with full IDP. All are PPR and most value return yardage. So my opinions may be skewed To these deep roster leagues.

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby IR1 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:11 am

Thanks- picked him up. Most of the league has a redraft strategy, in particular for idp, but thought that was too easy of a pickup to pass on
10Team PPR-QB/RB/WR/WR/TE/PK/flex-DT/DE/DE/LB/LB/LB/CB/CB/S/S/flex
QB- Herbert, Tua
RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, QWilliams,
DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
CB- Moore, Howard, Reed
S- Dugger, Pitre, Thompson
IR Dobbins, Dulcich
Taxi- Kincaid, QJohnston

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby FiremanEd » Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:49 pm

I dealt Kirksey for Simmons the week before Kirksey went down. Took a long term approach on it that the talent and draft capital will eventually win out. He could bust, but worth the risk for me. 4 games isn’t changing my perspective that much, despite the disappointing start. Not why he’s being forced at ILB with the current depth chart. Jones out could change thing however.

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby failblazer » Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:58 am

FiremanEd wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:49 pm I dealt Kirksey for Simmons the week before Kirksey went down. Took a long term approach on it that the talent and draft capital will eventually win out. He could bust, but worth the risk for me. 4 games isn’t changing my perspective that much, despite the disappointing start. Not why he’s being forced at ILB with the current depth chart. Jones out could change thing however.
I swapped Kiser for Simmons straight up after week 2 for a team going nowhere this season. I snagged Kiser in round 10 of our rookie and FA draft so to flip him for a guy taken in the 2nd was a huge win. As you said, obviously there is worry when he has done so little early on but they have some solid guys in front of him so I guess the expectation of him being an immediate LB1 or LB2 were probably wishful thinking.
16 Team PPR (11th Year Dynasty - Former 2 Time Champion)
P. Mahomes, Z. Wilson
C. McCaffrey, N. Harris, C. Hubbard
D. Hopkins, A. Cooper, C. Kupp, D. Johnson, G. Davis, D. Mims, J. Palmer
D. Waller, C. Kmet, B. Jordan

C. Young, R. Quinn
D. Leonard, M. Milano, C. Mosely, B. Okereke, J. Davis
J. Simmons, J. Fuller

Picks - 1.01, 2.12, 3.01, 3.15, 4.14

16 Team PPR (10th Year Dynasty - Reigning 5 Time Champion)
A. Rodgers, J. Fields
C. McCaffrey, D. Henry, J. Dobbins, M. Davis
D. Hopkins, D. Adams, C. Kupp, M. Jones, M. Valdes-Scantling, A. Green, T. Johnson, Dy. Brown, G. Pickens, J. Tolbert,
N. Fant, A. Okwugbunam, J. Harris
J. Elliott

D. Lawrence, R. Quinn, T. Hendrickson
R. Smith, B. Okereke, L. Wilson, J. Davis, D. Tranquil, B. Asamoah
J. Simmons, W. Harris

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby Space Cowboy » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:06 pm

Jack of all trades who doesn't do anything well. It's still early though, I'll give him that.

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby Bronco Billy » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:48 am

failblazer wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:58 am I swapped Kiser for Simmons straight up after week 2 for a team going nowhere this season. I snagged Kiser in round 10 of our rookie and FA draft so to flip him for a guy taken in the 2nd was a huge win. As you said, obviously there is worry when he has done so little early on but they have some solid guys in front of him so I guess the expectation of him being an immediate LB1 or LB2 were probably wishful thinking.
It’s not a win when the guy you traded away is outproducing the guy you got - in this case by a wide margin.

This draft capital mentality stops as soon as the guys put on the pads and accumulate stats. Then it’s all about talent, fit, and opportunity.

Kiser has all 3. Simmons is missing on at least two of those right now, and there’s no telling if it will ever change. How many times have we seen NFL teams accumulate multiple high 1st rounders on their rosters and continue to fail. Don’t be the Lions or Raiders of your FF league.

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Re: LB Rookie Rankings - 2020

Postby failblazer » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:27 am

Bronco Billy wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:48 am
failblazer wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:58 am I swapped Kiser for Simmons straight up after week 2 for a team going nowhere this season. I snagged Kiser in round 10 of our rookie and FA draft so to flip him for a guy taken in the 2nd was a huge win. As you said, obviously there is worry when he has done so little early on but they have some solid guys in front of him so I guess the expectation of him being an immediate LB1 or LB2 were probably wishful thinking.
It’s not a win when the guy you traded away is outproducing the guy you got - in this case by a wide margin.

This draft capital mentality stops as soon as the guys put on the pads and accumulate stats. Then it’s all about talent, fit, and opportunity.

Kiser has all 3. Simmons is missing on at least two of those right now, and there’s no telling if it will ever change. How many times have we seen NFL teams accumulate multiple high 1st rounders on their rosters and continue to fail. Don’t be the Lions or Raiders of your FF league.
Honestly, I don't need him to produce right now. You're right, if I needed a guy to jam into my lineup for this season I'd have held Kiser but I am 1-4 and lucky to be doing that well. This team is a total rebuild that won't be competing until next year at the very earliest (and likely not until 2022). I'm not a Simmons guy to be honest but I'll take a gamble on his upside over Kiser who I think is an average player in a good situation. Littleton is a better player and has disappeared since leaving the Rams and Kiser could do the same if they don't resign him after next year.

I totally understand your point of not being blinded by draft stock because it absolutely not the be all and end all. Plenty of unheralded players do turn out to be very valuable in dynasty and especially in IDP but when I am building out a roster to compete in a year or two years out I want potential building blocks.

I just made a similar (if less extreme) example move, shipping out Jayon Brown and a 3rd (16 team) for Kenneth Murray and a 5th. To me, we know what Brown is and in a year or two years there's no guarantee he'll be relevant. I'll take my chances on a younger guy who could be a building block for the next 4-7 years.
16 Team PPR (11th Year Dynasty - Former 2 Time Champion)
P. Mahomes, Z. Wilson
C. McCaffrey, N. Harris, C. Hubbard
D. Hopkins, A. Cooper, C. Kupp, D. Johnson, G. Davis, D. Mims, J. Palmer
D. Waller, C. Kmet, B. Jordan

C. Young, R. Quinn
D. Leonard, M. Milano, C. Mosely, B. Okereke, J. Davis
J. Simmons, J. Fuller

Picks - 1.01, 2.12, 3.01, 3.15, 4.14

16 Team PPR (10th Year Dynasty - Reigning 5 Time Champion)
A. Rodgers, J. Fields
C. McCaffrey, D. Henry, J. Dobbins, M. Davis
D. Hopkins, D. Adams, C. Kupp, M. Jones, M. Valdes-Scantling, A. Green, T. Johnson, Dy. Brown, G. Pickens, J. Tolbert,
N. Fant, A. Okwugbunam, J. Harris
J. Elliott

D. Lawrence, R. Quinn, T. Hendrickson
R. Smith, B. Okereke, L. Wilson, J. Davis, D. Tranquil, B. Asamoah
J. Simmons, W. Harris


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