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IDP Player Value Question - Joey Bosa

Postby dlf_kenm » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:43 pm

Hey all,

I am trying to gauge approximate value of IDP players in an abstract sense. We are working on adding IDP players to the Trade Analyzer, and I want to see if there is a consensus for player equivalent value in a fairly generic, standard IDP league - if there is such a thing. But because we are not going into the rabbit hole of trying to configure all of the league specific settings for IDP leagues in the TA when examining player trades, we need to keep IDP player valuation as generic as possible. So... I'd like to ask a series of player value questions to the IDP community here to get a feel for what everyone is thinking.

So, first player/question.

Joey Bosa

Give me two or three WR's in a PPR dynasty league who you think represents approximately equal value for Joey Bosa. So... if you were trading for Bosa or trading Bosa away, what do you think a fair trade would look like - if the other player was a WR?

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Re: IDP Player Value Question - Joey Bosa

Postby Bellf » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:08 am

In my main 2 IDP leagues we use tackle heavy scoring and sacks are worth 4 points. Off the top of my head, I could see him going for Alshon if a team needed a solid veteran wr. As far as younger guys, I'm thinking maybe in the range of Curtis Samuel and Christian Kirk? Hope this helps, it's honestly hard to gauge because everyone always wants a premium for stud IDPs in those leagues.
16 Team PPR 40-roster 1Qb, 1-4RB, 2-5WR, 1-3 TE IDP= 2-3DL, 2-3LB, 2-3DB (8 Offense, 8 Defense)

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QB- Mahomes
RB- Gurley, D. Freeman, J. Jacobs, Breida, Ballage, D. Harris, D. Thompson
WR- Evans, Alshon, D. Adams, J. Washington, Tre'Quan Smith, Hardman, Deebo
TE- Engram, Njoku
DL- Bosa, Hicks, Tuitt, Addison, Barnett
LB- E. Kendricks, D. Perryman, T. Edmunds, Alonso, J. Brown, Tavai
DB- Clinton-Dix, Q. Diggs, D.King, Jefferson, Cyprien, Rapp

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Re: IDP Player Value Question - Joey Bosa

Postby IR1 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:42 am

We're pretty heavy in idp scoring. I'd guess Diggs/Thielen range? If it helps, JJ watt was traded for 3 1st round picks in a 10 team league
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Wilson, Cousins, Winston/ Kamara, Chubb, Mixon, Guice/Hopkins, Evans, Allen, CDavis, Harry, Godwin, JJAW/ Kelce, Howard, Fant/ PK
Buckner, Simmons, Hurst, Tillery/JBosa, Hunter, Dunlap, Barnett, Ingram / D Jones Warner, Mack, E Kendricks, DLeonard, REvans, TSmith/Moore, Peters, Jenkins/ Byard, HSmith, Peppers, Amos IR Williams, Guice
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Wentz, Cousins, Lock, Bridgewater, Minshew/ KJohnson, Michel, Sanders, Hill, Walton/ Allen, Lockett, AJ Brown, JJAW, Meyers, DJax, AMiller, Sheppard, MJones, Kirk, Treadwell, KCole/ Ertz, Fant, Hurst

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Re: IDP Player Value Question - Joey Bosa

Postby Kcarr » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:42 am

In a 14 team league 10 starters on each side and pretty heavy idp scoring he went at the end of the 5th last year, I would assume not much change since then, maybe down a little due to injury
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QB: Kirk Cousins Tyrod Taylor, Jared Goff
RB: Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliot, Theo Riddick, D'Onta Foreman, James Conner, Jamal Williams
WR: Alshon Jeffrey, Amari Cooper, Sammy Watkins, Keenan Allen, Jordan Matthews, Cole Beasley, Robby Anderson, Corey Davis, Breshad Perriman, Eli Rogers
TE: Eric Ebron, , David Njoku, Jack Doyle
K: Will Lutz
DL: Frank Clark, Danielle Hunter
LB: Luke Kuechley, Bobby Wagner, Jordan Hicks, Mark Barron, Darron Lee
DB: Sean Davis, Morgan Burnett,

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Re: IDP Player Value Question - Joey Bosa

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:46 am

IR1 wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:42 am
We're pretty heavy in idp scoring. I'd guess Diggs/Thielen range? If it helps, JJ watt was traded for 3 1st round picks in a 10 team league
This sounds similar to my leagues.

I traded 2 late firsts and a future 2nd for Joey Bosa a couple months ago and I was thrilled.

Joey Bosa is worth the 1.02 in this year’s draft easily.

To answer OP’s question, in my league he would be equivalent to DJ Moore, Calvin Ridley, whoever your WR1 from this class is, maybe Golladay, Pettis+, Godwin+, etc
TEAM A - 12 teams (2018 champ, 2017 R/U)
BREES, Jimmy G, Rivers, Dalton
COOK/JACOBS/GURLEY, Shady, Gio, Gallman, Walton, Ollison, D Washington, Scarlett, Foreman, Ware, Rodney A
NUK/HILL/EVANS/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, Edelman, Alshon, Sammy, P Campbell, JJAW, Wims, Dez
KITTLE, OJ Howard, Herndon, Eifert
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Not listing my IDP, but they matter as much as offense in this league
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TEAM B - 32 teams, double copy - TEs get slight bump in scoring (1st year league, tanking this year to build through 2020 draft)
DARNOLD, Carr, Rosen, Eli, Tyrod
KAMARA/MIXON/GORDON
NUK/OBJ/EVANS/HOLLYWOOD/SHEPARD, Couttee, Latimer
ANDREWS/NJOKU, Ian Thomas, James O, Sprinkle
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Danielle Hunter, Ngakoue, and then a bunch of maybes for IDP

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Re: IDP Player Value Question - Joey Bosa

Postby millworkguy » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:18 pm

I think for the trade analyzer you would need to have a idp "light" scoring and "heavy" scoring options (similar to ppr or non ppr) my early idp leagues where 1 pt tackles, but my current ones are 2.5-3.5 points (depending on position)
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Re: IDP Player Value Question - Joey Bosa

Postby killer_of_giants » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:01 am

dlf_kenm wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:43 pm
But because we are not going into the rabbit hole of trying to configure all of the league specific settings for IDP leagues in the TA when examining player trades, we need to keep IDP player valuation as generic as possible.
good luck with that.
in one league he went among kupp, robinson and lockett.
in another one he went between randall cob and damion willis.

edit: thinking about it, i would just focus on leagues where IDPs are almost as valuable as offensive players, for leagues were top IDP talent goes with WR fliers you don't really need a trade calculator...

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Re: IDP Player Value Question - Joey Bosa

Postby millworkguy » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:00 am

So, what are you doing with def players, I know it's been mentioned a few times but Campbell's performance last night got me 55 points in 1 league, 20 in another. I doubt any offensive scoring differs that greatly
PPR IDP Contract Cap:
ConF (16 Team)
DAF (16 team)
DW2- Co-Commish (16 Team)

PPR IDP Salary Cap:
Hardcore - LAC (32 team)
T1 - Commish (12 team)
T2 - Commish (16 Team)

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Re: IDP Player Value Question - Joey Bosa

Postby ckrumm24 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:23 pm

killer_of_giants wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:01 am
dlf_kenm wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:43 pm
But because we are not going into the rabbit hole of trying to configure all of the league specific settings for IDP leagues in the TA when examining player trades, we need to keep IDP player valuation as generic as possible.
good luck with that.
in one league he went among kupp, robinson and lockett.
in another one he went between randall cob and damion willis.

edit: thinking about it, i would just focus on leagues where IDPs are almost as valuable as offensive players, for leagues were top IDP talent goes with WR fliers you don't really need a trade calculator...
I agree with the feelings communicated here. I play in an IDP heavy scoring according to most people (5pts for INT, 4pts for sack, +1pt for TFL/PD etc). However, our offensive players generally score more too for other bonuses (1st downs etc.) and our QBs are weighed the heaviest. Our top defensive player (D. Leonard) was ranked 23rd, but he went nuts and the next best wasn't until 38th. 17 QB's and 5 RBs were ahead of Leonard. The top ranked DE wasn't until 76th.

Who would be traded for Bosa in my league? Using DLFs rankings maybe like DJ Moore (younger) / TY Hilton (vet) type guy? I guess maybe some teams in my league might go as high as (based on DLF rankings) - B. Cooks / S. Diggs but I doubt it. Things would vary drastically based on teams roster construction.

I feel like most of our DE's get traded in package deals so it's tough to give good examples.
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Can start multiple roster variations (i.e. 3 RB, 2 TE, 2WR all the way to 6 WR) - Basically mirrors real NFL.

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