How to Make Corners Viable?

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How to Make Corners Viable?

Postby JPP's10thfinger » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:56 am

We're switching our league over to IDP this year and we have a unique scoring system that I'm a huge fan of as it makes better defense players better fantasy options for the most part (Donald averaged 25ppg last year with it). The one drawback is CBs. With the scoring system we have every positions real-life talent more closely reflects their fantasy impact except at CB (Demarious Randall would've been the best CB last year). CBs also just score way fewer points than the other defensive positions.

Are their any system you all use that make this a bit better? (maybe some combo of times targeted, catches allowed, and yards allowed?) Right now passes defensed and INTs matter most.

This is essentially the system we are using:
https://www.idpguys.org/beginners-guide ... -settings/
QB- Andrew Luck, Kirk Cousins, Teddy Bridgewater
WR- Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, Demaryius Thomas, Randall Cobb, Courtland Sutton, Tyler Lockett, Tre'quan Smith, Laquon Treadwell, Rashard Higgins
RB- Todd Gurley, Dalvin Cook, Saquon Barkley, Mark Ingram, Tevin Coleman, Mike Davis, Corey Grant, Jeremy Hill (IR)
TE- George Kittle, Hunter Henry (IR), Trey Burton
Def- CHI, CLE
K- Justin Tucker

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Re: How to Make Corners Viable?

Postby Space Cowboy » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:08 pm

How about if a CB plays more than 30+ snaps and doesn't put up stats he gets a bonus? CBs are tough for this sort of thing.

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Re: How to Make Corners Viable?

Postby JPP's10thfinger » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:24 pm

I like that idea, I'll start making tweaks along those lines.
QB- Andrew Luck, Kirk Cousins, Teddy Bridgewater
WR- Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, Demaryius Thomas, Randall Cobb, Courtland Sutton, Tyler Lockett, Tre'quan Smith, Laquon Treadwell, Rashard Higgins
RB- Todd Gurley, Dalvin Cook, Saquon Barkley, Mark Ingram, Tevin Coleman, Mike Davis, Corey Grant, Jeremy Hill (IR)
TE- George Kittle, Hunter Henry (IR), Trey Burton
Def- CHI, CLE
K- Justin Tucker

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Re: How to Make Corners Viable?

Postby millworkguy » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:50 pm

Mack averaged 24 pts per game in my leagues and top corners in the 16-17 range. Had 32 score almost 215 points last season

http://www64.myfantasyleague.com/2019/t ... *&SORT=AVG
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Re: How to Make Corners Viable?

Postby JPP's10thfinger » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:03 pm

Currently experimenting with + points for every time targeted and - points for every completion allowed.

This puts Ward, Gilmore and Humphrey all near the top with 2 points for every target and -3 for every completion, helps punish the bad CBs more.
QB- Andrew Luck, Kirk Cousins, Teddy Bridgewater
WR- Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, Demaryius Thomas, Randall Cobb, Courtland Sutton, Tyler Lockett, Tre'quan Smith, Laquon Treadwell, Rashard Higgins
RB- Todd Gurley, Dalvin Cook, Saquon Barkley, Mark Ingram, Tevin Coleman, Mike Davis, Corey Grant, Jeremy Hill (IR)
TE- George Kittle, Hunter Henry (IR), Trey Burton
Def- CHI, CLE
K- Justin Tucker

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Re: How to Make Corners Viable?

Postby millworkguy » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:56 pm

JPP's10thfinger wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:03 pm
Currently experimenting with + points for every time targeted and - points for every completion allowed.

This puts Ward, Gilmore and Humphrey all near the top with 2 points for every target and -3 for every completion, helps punish the bad CBs more.
I dont see a scoring package for that in MFL, is that something you will have to account for every week
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T2 - Commish (16 Team)

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Re: How to Make Corners Viable?

Postby lukkyseven » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:57 am

If the rest of your league scoring is good, don't stress over CB's. It's like streaming kickers or defenses in regular FF. It happens.
Team 1: 16 team 53 man roster IDP/PPR - Year 2
Line up: 1 QB, 1-4 RB, 2-5 WR, 1-3 TE ( 9 total offense), 1-2 DT, 2-3 DE, 3-4 LB, 2-3 S, 2-3 CB (11 total IDP)
QB: Brees, Carr
RB: Zeke, Hyde, Mattison, L Miller, D Lewis,
WR: Julio, Tyrell Williams, Preston Williams, Marvin Jones, Beasley, AJG, Humphries
TE: Hooper, Andrews, Dissly
DT: Harrison, Wilkins, Oliver
DE: Josh Allen, Ingram, Ngakoue
LB: R Smith, Alexander, Cunningham, McKinney, Kendricks
S: Bates, Whitehead
CB: Poole, Coleman
2020 picks: 1sts, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

Team 2: 32 team 53 man IDP/PPR double copy league - 2023 super pot
QB: Wentz, Foles, Haskins
RB: Jacobs, Guice, Gus, Ito, Singletary, Love
WR: Harry, Metcalf, M Brown, Grant, Boykin, Harmon, Lee
TE: Fant, Hurst, Oliver
DT: Richardson
DE: J. Allen, Beasley
LB: Clowney, Onwuasor, Pratt, Tavai
S: Randall, Evans
CB: streaming

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Re: How to Make Corners Viable?

Postby Phaded » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:45 pm

CBs are very challenging to make super viable - it is mainly a streaming and situational position.

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Re: How to Make Corners Viable?

Postby sportstalkryan » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:01 am

millworkguy wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:50 pm
Mack averaged 24 pts per game in my leagues and top corners in the 16-17 range. Had 32 score almost 215 points last season

http://www64.myfantasyleague.com/2019/t ... *&SORT=AVG
That's an interesting scoring system. So because a sack gets scored as a sack and a tackle and a tackle for loss, they are worth anywhere from 12 to 15 points each (Sack is 6 pts each, Tackle is between 2 to 3 points depending on position, and Tackle for Loss is between 4 to 6 points depending on position). If it's a strip sack, 16-19 points. A strip sack with a fumble recovery, 20-23 points. And a strip sack recovered for a TD, 30-33 points.

Meanwhile, an Interception (which is almost always scored with a corresponding Pass Defensed) is worth between 5 to 7 points, depending on position, and an Interception returned for a TD between 15 to 17 points.

I don't think there yet exists a good method of scoring Cornerbacks, using MFL or any other league hosting sites.
Here's my latest --
Forced Fumbles 4 points each
Fumble Recoveries 6 points each
Fumble Recovery Yardage 0.1 points per yard
Interceptions Caught 6 points each
Interception Return Yards 0.1 points per yard
Passes Defensed 4 points each (Bonus 2 points for CBs)
Sacked a QB 2 point for every .5
Sacked a QB Yardage 0.2 points per yard
Quarterback Hits 1 point each
Tackles for a Loss 2 points each (Bonus 2 points for CBs)
Safeties 6 points each
Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs 6 points each
Penalties -0.5 points each
Penalty Yards -0.1 point for every 1 yard
CB Tackles 1 point each
CB Assists 0.5 points each

This is big play scoring, minimizing the importance of tackles (especially so for CBs as I don't want to reward them allowing the catch and then tackling the receiver). In exchange for giving them fewer points per tackle, I increase their pass defensed points, as that will reward the better corners. I also bump up CBs points for TFLs as that's one of the rare, certain, good tackles by a CB. Additionally, a CB getting a pass interference penalty hurts in this setup!

I also require 3 starting CBs, as the higher demand will also increase their value, even if they aren't scoring as high as other positions.

Rk Player Name NFL Pos Pts Avg
1. Fuller, Kyle CHI CB 246.7 15.42
2. King, Desmond LAC CB 235.2 14.70
3. Moore, Kenny IND CB 226.3 15.09
4. Butler, Malcolm TEN CB 222.5 13.91
5. Gilmore, Stephon NEP CB 215.0 13.44
6. Jenkins, Janoris NYG CB 209.3 13.08
7. Lattimore, Marshon NOS CB 208.5 13.03
8. Nelson, Steven KCC CB 207.7 12.98
9. Amukamara, Prince CHI CB 207.1 13.81
10. Apple, Eli NOS CB 206.0 13.73
11. Bradberry, James CAR CB 205.2 12.83
12. Fuller, Kendall KCC CB 201.6 13.44
13. Jackson, Donte CAR CB 197.5 12.34
14. Slay, Darius DET CB 197.5 13.17
15. Ward, Denzel CLE CB 197.5 15.19
16. Poole, Brian ATL CB 197.1 12.32
17. Ryan, Logan TEN CB 191.4 13.67
18. Ramsey, Jalen JAC CB 191.0 11.94
19. Alexander, Jaire GBP CB 185.7 14.28
20. Joseph, Johnathan HOU CB 185.2 13.23
Commish of 4 leagues. Prefer full roster, IDP, salary cap, contract leagues designed to replicate the NFL GM experience as much as possible. Because THAT'S the fantasy.

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Re: How to Make Corners Viable?

Postby lukkyseven » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:17 am

Or go the other route and make them worthless. Combine them with S and make a DB position so you don't have to worry about it haha
Team 1: 16 team 53 man roster IDP/PPR - Year 2
Line up: 1 QB, 1-4 RB, 2-5 WR, 1-3 TE ( 9 total offense), 1-2 DT, 2-3 DE, 3-4 LB, 2-3 S, 2-3 CB (11 total IDP)
QB: Brees, Carr
RB: Zeke, Hyde, Mattison, L Miller, D Lewis,
WR: Julio, Tyrell Williams, Preston Williams, Marvin Jones, Beasley, AJG, Humphries
TE: Hooper, Andrews, Dissly
DT: Harrison, Wilkins, Oliver
DE: Josh Allen, Ingram, Ngakoue
LB: R Smith, Alexander, Cunningham, McKinney, Kendricks
S: Bates, Whitehead
CB: Poole, Coleman
2020 picks: 1sts, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

Team 2: 32 team 53 man IDP/PPR double copy league - 2023 super pot
QB: Wentz, Foles, Haskins
RB: Jacobs, Guice, Gus, Ito, Singletary, Love
WR: Harry, Metcalf, M Brown, Grant, Boykin, Harmon, Lee
TE: Fant, Hurst, Oliver
DT: Richardson
DE: J. Allen, Beasley
LB: Clowney, Onwuasor, Pratt, Tavai
S: Randall, Evans
CB: streaming


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