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NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby Fantasyfanatic11 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:09 am

Browns and Jets just made this trade today.

Who has the better chance at becoming fantasy relevant if any?

Calvin Pryor CLE S
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Demario Davis NYJ LB
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RB: Barkley Elliott CEH Dobbins D.Williams Hines
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RB: Chubb Kamara Singletary Ingram Guice Harris
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TE: Kittle Waller Gronk

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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby pjoner » Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:30 am

IMO, Davis has more fantasy value...

Peppers is the player that the Jets were looking for with Pryor...

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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby DBass218 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:36 am

Pryor with an interesting opportunity to rejuvenate. Gregg Williams' defense produces okay Safety numbers, it will be interesting to see if the rumors are true that Jabrill will play some nickel LB.
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby Dyno_7 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:59 am

I believe Gregg Williams isn't 100% comfortable with Peppers (a rookie) playing 100% of the snaps at SS without any competition to keep him honest.

No offense to Peppers and his ability, but Cleveland still has a fairly young defense and Pryor brings some experience to a young DB group. Peppers played very little safety in college and he's about to play 1000 snaps at the highest level. Adding Pryor to the group can help everyone. Maybe not for IDP purposes, but we all know NFL coaches don't make moves for fantasy nuts like us. Lol.

Everything I've read about Gregg Williams is that his LB's stay on the field. Since Collins & Kirksey both inked long-term deals, I would expect them to remain on the field in subs.

I think Peppers & Pryor could end up sharing duties at SS, and/or playing together. If Kindred has improved from his rookie season, perhaps a 3 man rotation at safety could happen. Campbell may be the odd man out in the secondary.

Having said all this, I could be 100% wrong, so take it fwiw. 👍
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby lukkynumber13 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:02 am

I'll go out on a limb and say Cleveland will use Pryor as a WLB, moving Kirksey to MIKE? The Jets were already trying Pryor out as a LB part time last season.

I don't think either guy has much value but I'd rather take a stab on Pryor. We saw Demario play a ton of snaps on a terrible D last year and his production still sucked. In NY, he's the #3 LB at best. Only has value in a 16-team league where you start 3-5 LBs
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COOK/JACOBS/MIXON, Dobbins, Swift, Hunt, Singletary, Bell, B Hill, Wilkins
NUK/HILL/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, Diontae J, Hollywood, Ruggs, Pittman, Hilton, G Davis, Snead
KITTLE, Waller, Akins, H Bryant
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LAMAR, Cousins, Rivers, J Love
SAQUON/MIXON/CARSON, Dobbins, Lindsay, Mattison, Ingram, D Freeman, Clement
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby Oslo Oildrillers » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:33 am

Bnew_7 wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:59 am
I believe Gregg Williams isn't 100% comfortable with Peppers (a rookie) playing 100% of the snaps at SS without any competition to keep him honest.

No offense to Peppers and his ability, but Cleveland still has a fairly young defense and Pryor brings some experience to a young DB group. Peppers played very little safety in college and he's about to play 1000 snaps at the highest level. Adding Pryor to the group can help everyone. Maybe not for IDP purposes, but we all know NFL coaches don't make moves for fantasy nuts like us. Lol.

Everything I've read about Gregg Williams is that his LB's stay on the field. Since Collins & Kirksey both inked long-term deals, I would expect them to remain on the field in subs.

I think Peppers & Pryor could end up sharing duties at SS, and/or playing together. If Kindred has improved from his rookie season, perhaps a 3 man rotation at safety could happen. Campbell may be the odd man out in the secondary.

Having said all this, I could be 100% wrong, so take it fwiw. 👍
The third safety can get a lot of playing time in the box as big nickel/dime, meaning that they'll play two LBs in nickel but use a third safety instead of a third cb. It would be the same way he used Mark Barron before Barron switched to LB. In dime they'll have different packages depending on what the offense is doing, either going 3S and 3CB or 2S and 4CB. Typically that means that whoever plays SS will get full snaps and the big nickel will "only" play ~70% of snaps but they'll be in situations that are high opportunity for tackles and sacks, meaning that they can both be fine IDP options.
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby icemic » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:53 am

Who will man the Mike in early downs? Are we assuming this will be Kirksey? Is he the biggest winner with this trade?
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TE - Gronk, OJ Howard, RSJ
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby lukkynumber13 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:56 am

icemic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:53 am
Who will man the Mike in early downs? Are we assuming this will be Kirksey? Is he the biggest winner with this trade?
I think it will be Kirksey personally. I don't know that this trade does much to help him tho, he was already gonna be an every snap LB1
BOTH TEAMS BELOW ARE 1QB

TEAM A - 12 teams (19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Brees, Tua, Wentz
COOK/JACOBS/MIXON, Dobbins, Swift, Hunt, Singletary, Bell, B Hill, Wilkins
NUK/HILL/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, Diontae J, Hollywood, Ruggs, Pittman, Hilton, G Davis, Snead
KITTLE, Waller, Akins, H Bryant
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Not listing my IDP, but they matter as much as offense in this league. Joey Bosa, Buckner, Sweat, and Cam Jordan are my main studs.
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TEAM B - 32 teams, double copy - TEs get 1.5x bump in scoring
LAMAR, Cousins, Rivers, J Love
SAQUON/MIXON/CARSON, Dobbins, Lindsay, Mattison, Ingram, D Freeman, Clement
NUK/K ALLEN/JULIO/AROB, Evans, Thielen, DJ Moore, Lamb, Boyd, Coutee, Alshon
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby icemic » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:08 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:56 am
icemic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:53 am
Who will man the Mike in early downs? Are we assuming this will be Kirksey? Is he the biggest winner with this trade?
I think it will be Kirksey personally. I don't know that this trade does much to help him tho, he was already gonna be an every snap LB1
MLB > WLB
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WR - Michael Thomas, Julio Jones, Lockett, Doug Baldwin, John Brown, J Washington, D Pettis, ESB, D Hamilton
TE - Gronk, OJ Howard, RSJ
DT - McCoy, Nkemdiche, Richardson
DE - Myles Garrett, Flowers, Sheard, Taco Charlton, Rasheem Green
LB - Wagner, Mosley, Vince Williams, Kirksey, Oluokun, J Evans, Vigil, Skai Moore, Kyzir White, Bentley, K Young
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby lukkynumber13 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:08 pm

icemic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:08 pm
lukkynumber13 wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:56 am
icemic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:53 am
Who will man the Mike in early downs? Are we assuming this will be Kirksey? Is he the biggest winner with this trade?
I think it will be Kirksey personally. I don't know that this trade does much to help him tho, he was already gonna be an every snap LB1
MLB > WLB
We say that, but it's not always the case. It's scheme dependent.

In Dallas, Sean Lee is the WLB but he's the LB to own (even when they had McLain playing)

In Tampa up until 2016, David was the LB to own even tho he's the WLB. Similar situation in Jax, where Smith & Poz both were productive but Smith was the better play.
BOTH TEAMS BELOW ARE 1QB

TEAM A - 12 teams (19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Brees, Tua, Wentz
COOK/JACOBS/MIXON, Dobbins, Swift, Hunt, Singletary, Bell, B Hill, Wilkins
NUK/HILL/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, Diontae J, Hollywood, Ruggs, Pittman, Hilton, G Davis, Snead
KITTLE, Waller, Akins, H Bryant
-
Not listing my IDP, but they matter as much as offense in this league. Joey Bosa, Buckner, Sweat, and Cam Jordan are my main studs.
///
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TEAM B - 32 teams, double copy - TEs get 1.5x bump in scoring
LAMAR, Cousins, Rivers, J Love
SAQUON/MIXON/CARSON, Dobbins, Lindsay, Mattison, Ingram, D Freeman, Clement
NUK/K ALLEN/JULIO/AROB, Evans, Thielen, DJ Moore, Lamb, Boyd, Coutee, Alshon
KITTLE/L Thomas, Ertz, Reed
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby icemic » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:12 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:08 pm
icemic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:08 pm
lukkynumber13 wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:56 am

I think it will be Kirksey personally. I don't know that this trade does much to help him tho, he was already gonna be an every snap LB1
MLB > WLB
We say that, but it's not always the case. It's scheme dependent.

In Dallas, Sean Lee is the WLB but he's the LB to own (even when they had McLain playing)

In Tampa up until 2016, David was the LB to own even tho he's the WLB. Similar situation in Jax, where Smith & Poz both were productive but Smith was the better play.
Fair enough
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WR - Michael Thomas, Julio Jones, Lockett, Doug Baldwin, John Brown, J Washington, D Pettis, ESB, D Hamilton
TE - Gronk, OJ Howard, RSJ
DT - McCoy, Nkemdiche, Richardson
DE - Myles Garrett, Flowers, Sheard, Taco Charlton, Rasheem Green
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby Oslo Oildrillers » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:51 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:08 pm
icemic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:08 pm
lukkynumber13 wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:56 am

I think it will be Kirksey personally. I don't know that this trade does much to help him tho, he was already gonna be an every snap LB1
MLB > WLB
We say that, but it's not always the case. It's scheme dependent.

In Dallas, Sean Lee is the WLB but he's the LB to own (even when they had McLain playing)

In Tampa up until 2016, David was the LB to own even tho he's the WLB. Similar situation in Jax, where Smith & Poz both were productive but Smith was the better play.
Yeah. Some other examples of 4-3 WILLs are DeAndre Levy and Burfict. ILBs, MLBs, WLBs are all +++ as long as they play in sub-packages.
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby bruiser » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:01 am

Yeah, I don't prefer MLBs over WLBs, I actually have sought the WLB more. I had a league that required 2ILB and 2OLB starters, so the WLB was a specific and limited commodity that I sought to hoard. The league did away with the start specifics because players were switching back and forth so much, it was too much for the commish to manage. Now I treat MLB = WLB.
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby Fantasyfanatic11 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:01 am

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:02 am
I'll go out on a limb and say Cleveland will use Pryor as a WLB, moving Kirksey to MIKE? The Jets were already trying Pryor out as a LB part time last season.

I don't think either guy has much value but I'd rather take a stab on Pryor. We saw Demario play a ton of snaps on a terrible D last year and his production still sucked. In NY, he's the #3 LB at best. Only has value in a 16-team league where you start 3-5 LBs
David Harris just got released so looks like Davis is a starter now? :shock:
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RB: Barkley Elliott CEH Dobbins D.Williams Hines
WR: Julio Godwin Allen Lockett Golladay Hilton AJG Ruggs Samuel Tate J.Brown Anderson AB
TE: Higbee Cook Eifert Njoku

16 Team PPR
QB: Stafford Darnold
RB: Chubb Kamara Singletary Ingram Guice Harris
WR: OBJ Cooper Hilton P.Williams Beasley J.Gordon DJax J.Grant
TE: Kittle Waller Gronk

10 team PPR
QB: Rodgers Garoppolo
RB: Elliott A.Jones Gurley Gordon L.Murray J.Williams D.Freeman
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Re: NFL Trade: Pryor for D.Davis

Postby bruiser » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:09 am

Wow. Add this to Darron Lee acting a fool at a high-profile event and you have a mess.
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