What do you guys feel is the best scoring system? I commish Team 4 league in my sig. I borrowed these settings from my other IDP heavy league but am looking for feedback on if I can improve it. I'm looking to make IDP's near as valuable as offensive players.
Thanks!
1 point for every 2 Assisted Tackles (0.5 per) DB, DL, LB
1 point for every Solo Tackle DB, DL, LB
2 points for every Tackle for Loss DB, DL, LB
4 points for every Interception DB, DL, LB
5 points for every Sack DB, DL, LB
2 points for every Fumble Forced ALL
3 points for every Fumble Recovered ALL
4 points for every Safety ALL
6 points for every Defensive TD ALL
2 extra points for every Defensive TD between 40 and 79 yards (inclusive) ALL
4 extra points for every Defensive TD of 80 or more yards ALL
4 points for every FG Blocked ALL
1 point for every Pass Defended DL, LB
2 points for every Pass Defended DB
2 points for every Conversion Return ALL
Best Scoring System
Best Scoring System
1: 10-Team
1QB,2RB,2WR,1TE,1(r/w/t)
QB: Cam,Winston
RB: Gurley,Melvin,C-Mike,Ware,JC,Dixon,McKinnon, Howard
WR:OBJ,Cooper,Watkins,Parker, Enuwa,
TE: Gronk,Ebron
K: Bailey
DST: Eagles
17 Picks 1,2,3,
2: 14-Team .5 PPR (6pt all TDs,1 pt tackle, 4pt Int, 5 pt Sack)
1QB-2RB-3WR-2TE-2(r/w/t)-K-3DL-3LB-3DB
17 Picks 3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/123654/teams/971666
3: 10-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1.5 pt tackle, 4pt sack, 6pt Int)
1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 4 R/W/T, 1 QB/R/W/T, 2 DB, 2 DL, 2 LB
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/181730/teams/1237292
4: 10-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1 pt tackle, 4pt Int, 5 pt Sack)
2QB-2RB-3WR-2TE-2(r/w/t)-K-3DL-3LB-3DB-2 D Flex
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/181435/teams/1235743
5: 12-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1.5 pt tackle, 6pt Int, 4 pt Sack)
2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1(r/w/t)-K-2DL-2LB-2DB-3 D Flex
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/182878/teams/1244569
1QB,2RB,2WR,1TE,1(r/w/t)
QB: Cam,Winston
RB: Gurley,Melvin,C-Mike,Ware,JC,Dixon,McKinnon, Howard
WR:OBJ,Cooper,Watkins,Parker, Enuwa,
TE: Gronk,Ebron
K: Bailey
DST: Eagles
17 Picks 1,2,3,
2: 14-Team .5 PPR (6pt all TDs,1 pt tackle, 4pt Int, 5 pt Sack)
1QB-2RB-3WR-2TE-2(r/w/t)-K-3DL-3LB-3DB
17 Picks 3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/123654/teams/971666
3: 10-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1.5 pt tackle, 4pt sack, 6pt Int)
1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 4 R/W/T, 1 QB/R/W/T, 2 DB, 2 DL, 2 LB
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/181730/teams/1237292
4: 10-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1 pt tackle, 4pt Int, 5 pt Sack)
2QB-2RB-3WR-2TE-2(r/w/t)-K-3DL-3LB-3DB-2 D Flex
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/181435/teams/1235743
5: 12-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1.5 pt tackle, 6pt Int, 4 pt Sack)
2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1(r/w/t)-K-2DL-2LB-2DB-3 D Flex
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/182878/teams/1244569
Re: Best Scoring System
Though you probably wanted something from outside the league in questionbwalsh015 wrote:What do you guys feel is the best scoring system? I commish Team 4 league in my sig. I borrowed these settings from my other IDP heavy league but am looking for feedback on if I can improve it. I'm looking to make IDP's near as valuable as offensive players.
Thanks!
1 point for every 2 Assisted Tackles (0.5 per) DB, DL, LB
1 point per
1 point for every Solo Tackle DB, DL, LB2 points per
2 points for every Tackle for Loss DB, DL, LB2 additional on top of tackle
4 points for every Interception DB, DL, LB6 points
5 points for every Sack DB, DL, LB
2 points for every Fumble Forced ALL3 points
3 points for every Fumble Recovered ALL
4 points for every Safety ALL6 points
6 points for every Defensive TD ALL
2 extra points for every Defensive TD between 40 and 79 yards (inclusive) ALL
4 extra points for every Defensive TD of 80 or more yards ALL
4 points for every FG Blocked ALL6 points
1 point for every Pass Defended DL, LB2 points
2 points for every Pass Defended DB
2 points for every Conversion Return ALL
4th and long: ppr, 10 team, qb, rb, rb, wr, wr, wr, flex, flex, te, k, dl, dl, lb, lb, db, db, dflex, dflex
QB: Kirk Cousins Tyrod Taylor, Jared Goff
RB: Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliot, Theo Riddick, D'Onta Foreman, James Conner, Jamal Williams
WR: Alshon Jeffrey, Amari Cooper, Sammy Watkins, Keenan Allen, Jordan Matthews, Cole Beasley, Robby Anderson, Corey Davis, Breshad Perriman, Eli Rogers
TE: Eric Ebron, , David Njoku, Jack Doyle
K: Will Lutz
DL: Frank Clark, Danielle Hunter
LB: Luke Kuechley, Bobby Wagner, Jordan Hicks, Mark Barron, Darron Lee
DB: Sean Davis, Morgan Burnett,
IR: Clayton Geathers, Quincy Enunwa, Raekwon McMillan
QB: Kirk Cousins Tyrod Taylor, Jared Goff
RB: Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliot, Theo Riddick, D'Onta Foreman, James Conner, Jamal Williams
WR: Alshon Jeffrey, Amari Cooper, Sammy Watkins, Keenan Allen, Jordan Matthews, Cole Beasley, Robby Anderson, Corey Davis, Breshad Perriman, Eli Rogers
TE: Eric Ebron, , David Njoku, Jack Doyle
K: Will Lutz
DL: Frank Clark, Danielle Hunter
LB: Luke Kuechley, Bobby Wagner, Jordan Hicks, Mark Barron, Darron Lee
DB: Sean Davis, Morgan Burnett,
IR: Clayton Geathers, Quincy Enunwa, Raekwon McMillan
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Re: Best Scoring System
I'm not sure if there if a perfect scoring system that exists? haha but as commissioner you certainly have an opportunity to make it your own.
I incorporated some new IDP scoring for both my existing leagues and a new dyno start-up with the below scoring, and it feels more balanced (using 2015 stats) the scoring would've generated 2 DT, 2DE's, 5S, 9LB (technically 10 but Bucannon was deemed a Safety last year, so he's in the S category) in our top 50. The top CB would've finished just outside the top 50 at 52 (Marcus Peters)
DTs - 3.5pts/Tckl, 1.75pts/asst. 3pts per 0.5 sack, 3pts TFL, 2pts PD
DEs - 3pts/Tckl. 1.5pts/asst, 3pts per 0.5 sack, 2pts TFL, 2pts PD
LBs - 2pts/Tckl, 1pt/asst, 3.5pts per 0.5 sack, 2pts TFL, 2pts PD
CBs - 2.5pts/Tckl, 1.25pts/asst, 3pts per 0.5 sack, 2pts TFL, 3pts PD
Ss - 2.25pts/Tckl, 1.25pts/asst, 3pts per 0.5 Sack, 2pts TFL, 2.5pts PD
For some perspective
Watt finished 5th overall in scoring with 400PTs
A.Donald 22nd with 335pts
L.David 18th with 343pts
R.Jones 16th with 348pts
M.Peters 52nd with 289pts
So you can see some of the big name IDPs are up in the conversation with some of the elite offensive players... Considering this is my first year incorporating this scoring, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, but I wouldn't be shocked to see trades like A.Rob for A.Donald... it doesn't look fair on paper, but when you digest the details it would be a fair trade. That's what most owners will have to overcome initially in my opinion. It should make for some good debate too... hope this provided a little insight.
Best of luck with your leagues
I incorporated some new IDP scoring for both my existing leagues and a new dyno start-up with the below scoring, and it feels more balanced (using 2015 stats) the scoring would've generated 2 DT, 2DE's, 5S, 9LB (technically 10 but Bucannon was deemed a Safety last year, so he's in the S category) in our top 50. The top CB would've finished just outside the top 50 at 52 (Marcus Peters)
DTs - 3.5pts/Tckl, 1.75pts/asst. 3pts per 0.5 sack, 3pts TFL, 2pts PD
DEs - 3pts/Tckl. 1.5pts/asst, 3pts per 0.5 sack, 2pts TFL, 2pts PD
LBs - 2pts/Tckl, 1pt/asst, 3.5pts per 0.5 sack, 2pts TFL, 2pts PD
CBs - 2.5pts/Tckl, 1.25pts/asst, 3pts per 0.5 sack, 2pts TFL, 3pts PD
Ss - 2.25pts/Tckl, 1.25pts/asst, 3pts per 0.5 Sack, 2pts TFL, 2.5pts PD
For some perspective
Watt finished 5th overall in scoring with 400PTs
A.Donald 22nd with 335pts
L.David 18th with 343pts
R.Jones 16th with 348pts
M.Peters 52nd with 289pts
So you can see some of the big name IDPs are up in the conversation with some of the elite offensive players... Considering this is my first year incorporating this scoring, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, but I wouldn't be shocked to see trades like A.Rob for A.Donald... it doesn't look fair on paper, but when you digest the details it would be a fair trade. That's what most owners will have to overcome initially in my opinion. It should make for some good debate too... hope this provided a little insight.
Best of luck with your leagues
Re: Best Scoring System
I don't know that you'll get a valuable mix in 10tm leagues. It becomes a crapshoot when there's no positional scarcity.
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Re: Best Scoring System
This is a topic of interest for me as well as I'm about to start up a new league with a bit more IDP focus than I'm used to and I want to incorporate weighted scoring for each IDP position to increase the value of the CB and DT position and level the playing field a bit. I would like to have my top IDP players score on par with low end RB1's and WR1's. I'm currently in the process so any input on this thread would be awesome.
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Re: Best Scoring System
I think positional scarcity is the other part of the equation if you want actual equality and while the league in question does start quite a few spots it isn't enough for equality. I figure for equality you should start about twice or at the very least 1.5 times as many lbs as wrs and an equal number of cbs, safeties, dts, and des each to wrs. If you went to that point with most leagues you would hit a point where start in defenders had real value close to what they actually have in the nfl.
4th and long: ppr, 10 team, qb, rb, rb, wr, wr, wr, flex, flex, te, k, dl, dl, lb, lb, db, db, dflex, dflex
QB: Kirk Cousins Tyrod Taylor, Jared Goff
RB: Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliot, Theo Riddick, D'Onta Foreman, James Conner, Jamal Williams
WR: Alshon Jeffrey, Amari Cooper, Sammy Watkins, Keenan Allen, Jordan Matthews, Cole Beasley, Robby Anderson, Corey Davis, Breshad Perriman, Eli Rogers
TE: Eric Ebron, , David Njoku, Jack Doyle
K: Will Lutz
DL: Frank Clark, Danielle Hunter
LB: Luke Kuechley, Bobby Wagner, Jordan Hicks, Mark Barron, Darron Lee
DB: Sean Davis, Morgan Burnett,
IR: Clayton Geathers, Quincy Enunwa, Raekwon McMillan
QB: Kirk Cousins Tyrod Taylor, Jared Goff
RB: Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliot, Theo Riddick, D'Onta Foreman, James Conner, Jamal Williams
WR: Alshon Jeffrey, Amari Cooper, Sammy Watkins, Keenan Allen, Jordan Matthews, Cole Beasley, Robby Anderson, Corey Davis, Breshad Perriman, Eli Rogers
TE: Eric Ebron, , David Njoku, Jack Doyle
K: Will Lutz
DL: Frank Clark, Danielle Hunter
LB: Luke Kuechley, Bobby Wagner, Jordan Hicks, Mark Barron, Darron Lee
DB: Sean Davis, Morgan Burnett,
IR: Clayton Geathers, Quincy Enunwa, Raekwon McMillan
Re: Best Scoring System
Kcarr wrote:Though you probably wanted something from outside the league in questionbwalsh015 wrote:What do you guys feel is the best scoring system? I commish Team 4 league in my sig. I borrowed these settings from my other IDP heavy league but am looking for feedback on if I can improve it. I'm looking to make IDP's near as valuable as offensive players.
Thanks!
1 point for every 2 Assisted Tackles (0.5 per) DB, DL, LB
1 point per
1 point for every Solo Tackle DB, DL, LB2 points per
2 points for every Tackle for Loss DB, DL, LB2 additional on top of tackle
4 points for every Interception DB, DL, LB6 points
5 points for every Sack DB, DL, LB
2 points for every Fumble Forced ALL3 points
3 points for every Fumble Recovered ALL
4 points for every Safety ALL6 points
6 points for every Defensive TD ALL
2 extra points for every Defensive TD between 40 and 79 yards (inclusive) ALL
4 extra points for every Defensive TD of 80 or more yards ALL
4 points for every FG Blocked ALL6 points
1 point for every Pass Defended DL, LB2 points
2 points for every Pass Defended DB
2 points for every Conversion Return ALL
Haha all feedback is good.
1: 10-Team
1QB,2RB,2WR,1TE,1(r/w/t)
QB: Cam,Winston
RB: Gurley,Melvin,C-Mike,Ware,JC,Dixon,McKinnon, Howard
WR:OBJ,Cooper,Watkins,Parker, Enuwa,
TE: Gronk,Ebron
K: Bailey
DST: Eagles
17 Picks 1,2,3,
2: 14-Team .5 PPR (6pt all TDs,1 pt tackle, 4pt Int, 5 pt Sack)
1QB-2RB-3WR-2TE-2(r/w/t)-K-3DL-3LB-3DB
17 Picks 3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/123654/teams/971666
3: 10-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1.5 pt tackle, 4pt sack, 6pt Int)
1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 4 R/W/T, 1 QB/R/W/T, 2 DB, 2 DL, 2 LB
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/181730/teams/1237292
4: 10-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1 pt tackle, 4pt Int, 5 pt Sack)
2QB-2RB-3WR-2TE-2(r/w/t)-K-3DL-3LB-3DB-2 D Flex
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/181435/teams/1235743
5: 12-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1.5 pt tackle, 6pt Int, 4 pt Sack)
2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1(r/w/t)-K-2DL-2LB-2DB-3 D Flex
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/182878/teams/1244569
1QB,2RB,2WR,1TE,1(r/w/t)
QB: Cam,Winston
RB: Gurley,Melvin,C-Mike,Ware,JC,Dixon,McKinnon, Howard
WR:OBJ,Cooper,Watkins,Parker, Enuwa,
TE: Gronk,Ebron
K: Bailey
DST: Eagles
17 Picks 1,2,3,
2: 14-Team .5 PPR (6pt all TDs,1 pt tackle, 4pt Int, 5 pt Sack)
1QB-2RB-3WR-2TE-2(r/w/t)-K-3DL-3LB-3DB
17 Picks 3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/123654/teams/971666
3: 10-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1.5 pt tackle, 4pt sack, 6pt Int)
1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 4 R/W/T, 1 QB/R/W/T, 2 DB, 2 DL, 2 LB
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/181730/teams/1237292
4: 10-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1 pt tackle, 4pt Int, 5 pt Sack)
2QB-2RB-3WR-2TE-2(r/w/t)-K-3DL-3LB-3DB-2 D Flex
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/181435/teams/1235743
5: 12-Team .5 PPR (4pt pass TD,1.5 pt tackle, 6pt Int, 4 pt Sack)
2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1(r/w/t)-K-2DL-2LB-2DB-3 D Flex
17 Picks 1,2,3,4
http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/leagues/182878/teams/1244569
Re: Best Scoring System
Here's a format to consider: IDP NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
20 teams (single copy) DRAFT ONLY (BEST BALL)
7=TMQB,RB,WR,TE,FLEX,FLEX,FLEX
7=DL,DL,LB,LB,DB,DB,FLEX
1=HC (because unlike K/P they have standalone value in NFL)
15 Starters
Weighted scoring for DT and CB giving them double points for sacks and passes defensed.
I recently completed a best ball IDP draft with 32-team single player pool. Best part about it is no maintenance. I have enough dynasty teams, but the offseason is complete for them. But I sure love to draft. There is just enough time to kickoff a draft of this magnitude before preseason starts. If there was enough interest, this event could be trimmed to the number of entrants (player pool shrunk accordingly).
20 teams (single copy) DRAFT ONLY (BEST BALL)
7=TMQB,RB,WR,TE,FLEX,FLEX,FLEX
7=DL,DL,LB,LB,DB,DB,FLEX
1=HC (because unlike K/P they have standalone value in NFL)
15 Starters
Weighted scoring for DT and CB giving them double points for sacks and passes defensed.
I recently completed a best ball IDP draft with 32-team single player pool. Best part about it is no maintenance. I have enough dynasty teams, but the offseason is complete for them. But I sure love to draft. There is just enough time to kickoff a draft of this magnitude before preseason starts. If there was enough interest, this event could be trimmed to the number of entrants (player pool shrunk accordingly).
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Re: Best Scoring System
I run a 12 team with the following scoring
http://www64.myfantasyleague.com/2016/o ... 77682&O=09
(and will be doing a 16 team next year with the same scoring) as much as i've tried to enhance idp scoring, i've also played with offensive scoring as well, limited rb's 2 max, te premium and adjusted receiving vs rushing yards for offensive players
http://www64.myfantasyleague.com/2016/o ... 77682&O=09
(and will be doing a 16 team next year with the same scoring) as much as i've tried to enhance idp scoring, i've also played with offensive scoring as well, limited rb's 2 max, te premium and adjusted receiving vs rushing yards for offensive players
PPR IDP Contract Cap:
ConF (16 Team)
DAF (16 team)
DW2- Co-Commish (16 Team)
PPR IDP Salary Cap:
Hardcore - LAC (32 team)
T1 - Commish (12 team)
T2 - Commish (16 Team)
ConF (16 Team)
DAF (16 team)
DW2- Co-Commish (16 Team)
PPR IDP Salary Cap:
Hardcore - LAC (32 team)
T1 - Commish (12 team)
T2 - Commish (16 Team)
Re: Best Scoring System
The probably with positional equity is predictability.
If you upweight DT tackles/sacks to maybe 4pts/8pts respectively so their total points are similar to other positions [those numbers off the top of my head] then their weekly scoring increases in variability. Which means it's more fluke if one scores 20 pts that week or 4. A league where games are decided based on whether a stat crew rules its Fatty A or Fatty B who made the play at the bottom of a pile doesn't sound like much fun.
Added to that is the JJ Watt factor. Because he's such an outlier in any league with positional balance he's going to be such a superhero it's silly.
I would dearly love a format that does have positional balance but I'm not sure it's really possible without increasing randomness. Might work better as a best-ball league too.
If you upweight DT tackles/sacks to maybe 4pts/8pts respectively so their total points are similar to other positions [those numbers off the top of my head] then their weekly scoring increases in variability. Which means it's more fluke if one scores 20 pts that week or 4. A league where games are decided based on whether a stat crew rules its Fatty A or Fatty B who made the play at the bottom of a pile doesn't sound like much fun.
Added to that is the JJ Watt factor. Because he's such an outlier in any league with positional balance he's going to be such a superhero it's silly.
I would dearly love a format that does have positional balance but I'm not sure it's really possible without increasing randomness. Might work better as a best-ball league too.
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